# Game of Thrones 5.04 "The Sons of the Harpy" 5/3/15 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 3, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174 "2015-05-03T20:32:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/21 "2015-05-04T06:50:56Z")
> [@tonyfop](#): > > Haven’t we seen that the unsullied use a kind of phalanx formation to fight? As soon as they are ambushed, they should have circled the wagons, with Grey Worm in the center. The Harpies should have been slaughtered. Yea, that whole fight made little sense. Did anyone else notice that some off the Sons of the Harpy weren’t dressed like the masters? Some were dressed like the former slave caste. I think Dany pissed the whole city off and has created odd bed-fellows. The King’s Guard who is traveling with Tyrell…isn’t he on Arya’s list? I think Arya will see him in Bravos and have to decide if she’s going to be faceless or Arya Stark. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/22 "2015-05-04T06:56:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The King’s Guard who is traveling with Tyrell…isn’t he on Arya’s list? I think Arya will see him in Bravos and have to decide if she’s going to be faceless or Arya Stark. Meryn Trant is most certainly on Arya’s shitlist. It’d be nice to see Arya get to personally cross a name off her list. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/23 "2015-05-04T07:09:20Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > It’d be nice to see Arya get to personally cross a name off her list. A man who is no-one does not kill for personal revenge. I think they’ve made very clear that Ayra will have to soon make a choice between becoming a faceless man or continuing to hold onto her revenge list. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/24 "2015-05-04T07:13:27Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > I wish we had a scene with Varys’ reaction to Tyrion’s disappearance. > > Why did the Sand Snakes kill the captain who brought them valuable information? Are they all just psycho? > > Melisandra’s seduction was unconvincing. I don’t mind nudity but I get annoyed if it makes the scene feel like a joke. Is she supposed to have super sex powers? I thought she told Stannis’ wife that she didn’t. “Oh dear”.😃 Pretty much.😛 She’s a hot (in many senses of that word) redhead with a great body- I’d say yes to the _super sex powers._😉 ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/25 "2015-05-04T08:28:54Z")
I did end up thinking “those unsullied are a bit crap at fighting”. And then “Great, we get to see Barristan kicking arse” went to “Oh god they’re killing Barristan!!!”. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/26 "2015-05-04T09:08:31Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > A man who is no-one does not kill for personal revenge. I think they’ve made very clear that Ayra will have to soon make a choice between becoming a faceless man or continuing to hold onto her revenge list. In his original offer Haquen told her she could kill all those people and more. I doubt Death cares a whole lot who you kill or why. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/27 "2015-05-04T10:59:02Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > In his original offer Haquen told her she could kill all those people and more. I doubt Death cares a whole lot who you kill or why. Oh, I think it cares. Jaqen originally killed people for Arya because he thought the god was owed three deaths. Definitely don’t think they’re into wanton murder. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/28 "2015-05-04T11:54:44Z")
[quote=“Sir\_Prize, post:11, topic:719174”] I wish we had a scene with Varys’ reaction to Tyrion’s disappearance. But I think sending what’s his face to talk to the Iron Bank will also be a big blunder. QUOTE] I think Cersei just wanted the Mace Tyrell gone so she could go after his son Loras. I wonder if Varys hired Jorah to take Tyrion, it would have been a good way to sober him up. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/29 "2015-05-04T12:57:30Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Oh, I think it cares. Jaqen originally killed people for Arya because he thought the god was owed three deaths. Definitely don’t think they’re into wanton murder. Jaqen needs to teach Arya the loopholes. There was no indication that he had a connection to the two other guys she saved from the burning cart in season 2. He could have given her a single killing to pay for his own but he used the others as an excuse to up the count to three. Arya needs to get someone to ask her to murder Meryn Trant. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/30 "2015-05-04T12:58:45Z")
[quote=“Gothic, post:28, topic:719174”] > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > I wonder if Varys hired Jorah to take Tyrion, it would have been a good way to sober him up. I like this. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/31 "2015-05-04T12:59:33Z")
Mace Tyrell didn’t seem like very much of a player. He was much too willing to go to Braavos for Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/32 "2015-05-04T13:11:39Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > … > I wonder if Varys hired Jorah to take Tyrion, it would have been a good way to sober him up. That would be a very Varys-y move, but it’s not all that likely, considering he had no way of knowing they would stop in Volantis, and no time to set it up. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/33 "2015-05-04T13:18:03Z")
[quote=“Sir\_Prize, post:30, topic:719174”] > [@Gothic](#): > > I like this. It only occurred to me after I read your post. Tyrion has been very hard on himself and did not seem to mind being caught. I think it is highly unlikely that Varys did ask Jorah to imp nap him and I rather not seek out the answer. I think Mace Tyrell would have shown a side of himself we have yet to see if he was in King’s Landing when his son was taken. Doddering old men in Westeros are never what they seem. I did appreciate the ambush on the Unsullied taking place in a narrow space which made the spear wielder less effective. They need to train with short swords and have them handy in cities with narrow alleys. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/34 "2015-05-04T13:51:58Z")
The scene with Tommen reminded me of the TOS Star Trek episode where Kirk is split into a good and evil side and they make a point were you need some of those base emotions to be an effective leader. Especially in Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![tonyfop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@tonyfop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tonyfop)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/35 "2015-05-04T13:53:12Z")
Even in a narrow space, all they have to do is form 2 rows, back to back, far enough apart not to hit each other with their windup, and keep the shield wall up. The harpies could never get past the spears with just daggers. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/36 "2015-05-04T14:54:30Z")
Why did the unsullied not do a great job of fighting? Maybe they were some of the not-fully-trained unsullied that Dany insisted on rescuing along with all the fully-trained ones. Why did the sand snakes kill the ship captain? Maybe because he smuggled a hated enemy of Dorne into Dorne? And even admitting so afterwards (in a crass desire for profit) doesn’t forgive that sin? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/37 "2015-05-04T14:58:27Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > As far as the Father of the Bride, I don’t see any way he makes it alive to the Bank but lucky for us the Sleazoid who is going to kill him is walking into a City where there’s an awesome girl that wants him dead. I missed this bit, I didn’t get the inference that Cersei was going to tell Meryn Trant to kill Mace Tyrell… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/38 "2015-05-04T15:00:34Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I missed this bit, I didn’t get the inference that Cersei was going to tell Meryn Trant to kill Mace Tyrell… Meryn Trant has always been in her pocket, there was no other reason to send him. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/39 "2015-05-04T15:05:20Z")
I’m wondering where the Sons of the Harpy get those cool masks. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174/40 "2015-05-04T15:10:13Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Why did the sand snakes kill the ship captain? Maybe because he smuggled a hated enemy of Dorne into Dorne? And even admitting so afterwards (in a crass desire for profit) doesn’t forgive that sin? Obara Sand killed the ship captain because of exposition. How do we show that the Sand Snakes are bloodthirsty killers? By showing one of them killing someone for no good reason. OK, character established. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-04-the-sons-of-the-harpy-5-3-15-show-discussion/719174.md?page=3)