# Game of Thrones 5.05 "Kill the Boy" 5/10/15 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 10, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723 "2015-05-10T20:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/161 "2015-05-15T12:55:54Z")
Clever solution, well done. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/162 "2015-05-15T13:28:56Z")
> [@franz](#): > > General thoughts on 5x05: > The writers better not let me down with Ramsey’s death, as they did with Joffrey. Ramsey dies? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/163 "2015-05-15T13:43:46Z")
I think we’re all assuming he’s going to die eventually. Of course, it may turn out that he ends up sitting on the Iron Throne several seasons from now, with Reek hovering around him, still brainwashed. The writers of the show seem to like not giving characters the punishment they deserve. ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/164 "2015-05-15T13:51:23Z")
**Dewey Finn** , which character do you think didn’t get the punishment they deserve? Joffrey? Tywin? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/165 "2015-05-15T13:57:15Z")
Perhaps it’s more accurate to say that the writers tend to subvert expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/166 "2015-05-15T14:02:37Z")
Missed the edit window. But I agree. Joffrey got off easy considering all that he has done. Tywin’s death was at least more satisfying and felt like poetic justice (though I like his character). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/167 "2015-05-15T14:06:04Z")
Joffrey’s death was nicely public. Not as painful as he deserved, given how much pain he inflicted. But still. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/168 "2015-05-15T14:48:51Z")
> [@franz](#): > > General thoughts on 5x05: > > - Jesus Christ, when I think Daenerys can’t get any more stupid, she proves me wrong: a) when you threat to kill all the former rulers of slavery state, and you end feeding only one of them to dragons, stating that it’s just a “warning” you’re just doing two things that are insanely dangerous to yourself - giving the masters reason to try even harder to get rid of you, before you end deciding to actually kill all of them, and giving your already kind of unruly dragons a taste for human flesh… b) there’s a very important difference between conceding the demands of your oppositors at the first time they made them (showing goodwill) and giving in to them after shit had hit the fan (showing weakness). Well, at least one thing Dumbnerys did right: alliance with a former master throug marriage, which could give buy her some much needed goodwill. > > - I’ll not pretend to be a master on Westeros’s geography, but is it the only way to Mereen through a place infested by people with a plague? Because if not, Jorah is an idiot… > > - The more I look at the big picture, the more I think Stanis is the better “medicine” to every Westeros “diseases”. He’s not only the most strong-willed, wise and smart among the competitors for the Iron Throne, but he’s also surrounding himself with the best allies. > > - Jon Snow pretty much confirmed for Targaryen! Also, finally growing a pair and acting like a leader over the Nightwatchers. > > - The writers better not let me down with Ramsey’s death, as they did with Joffrey. This vicious cunt deserve the most horrible, awful death ever put into a tv show! > > - Samsa continues to be a dumb idiot. A woman that gives all the signs of being untrustable says her to enter a dark place with raging dogs and guess what? Yes, keep pushing your lucky like that, Samsa… > > ps there are some rumors about [sophie turner getting naked](http://nudesman.com/topic/sophie-turner-nude-scene-in-game-of-thrones/page/6/) nsfw The only sea way to Mereen is either around the smoking islands or through them. Through was shorter and had no pirates. Still a bad idea though. Stannis is a good man but too inflexible to make a good king. A king needs to know how to keep every one happy and at peace. Stannis is just not likeable enough to inspire any personal loyalty to him. How is Jon Snow confirmed Targaryean? I did not get that. I’m thinking Ramsay will make a good sacrifice to the lord of light. Sansa needs Littlefinger, with her looks and name and his cunning they could rule Westeros together. Without him she seems way out of her depth. I keep waiting for the dime to drop for her but nothing yet. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/169 "2015-05-15T15:22:45Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > So, the daughter of the mad king has her ennemies burned to death, and the owner of unruly and potentially murderous dragons has them fed human flesh? > > . I can’t find the quote right now, but I remember C.S. Lewis writing once that a greedy, selfish tyrant would be less dangerous than an idealistic one. A greedy one may eventually amass enough gold, a gluttonous one may be sated occasionally. At those times, they can relax and leave everyone around them alone for a while. But an idealistic tyrant will NEVER be satisfied until everything is exactly as he/she believes they should be, and will never suffer any pangs of conscience. After all, his/her enemies are EVIL, and DESERVE whatever they get! Dany is dangerous, PARTLY because she has her Dad’s genes, and partly because she believes she has truth, justice and righteousness wholly on her side. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/170 "2015-05-15T15:26:25Z")
I don’t see any reason to believe that Daenerys has neglected to train her dragons. We have seen then respond to voice commands after all. Mate she has reached the limit of how much training can be done without the help of expertise. And I haven’t seen any evidence that dragon experts are around. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/171 "2015-05-15T15:30:50Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I can’t find the quote right now, but I remember C.S. Lewis writing once that a greedy, selfish tyrant would be less dangerous than an idealistic one. A greedy one may eventually amass enough gold, a gluttonous one may be sated occasionally. At those times, they can relax and leave everyone around them alone for a while. But an idealistic tyrant will NEVER be satisfied until everything is exactly as he/she believes they should be, and will never suffer any pangs of conscience. After all, his/her enemies are EVIL, and DESERVE whatever they get! > > Dany is dangerous, PARTLY because she has her Dad’s genes, and partly because she believes she has truth, justice and righteousness wholly on her side. In Dany’s defense she does have truth, justice and righteousness wholly on her side compared to the slave empires she is toppling(assuming slavery in Meeren is as bad the place she got her unsullied army from). The bald guy she had the dragon torch told her only a percentage of unsullied survive childhood, thats aside from the baby killing and wanton torture and death. Now how badly she messes up Westeros in her conquest has yet to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/172 "2015-05-15T16:50:32Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Stannis is just not likeable enough to inspire any personal loyalty to him. Apart from the Onion Knight, you mean? And he managed to get an army to follow him to Blackwater Bay… didn’t turn out too well for them, but they _were_ fighting for him. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/173 "2015-05-15T17:45:35Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Apart from the Onion Knight, you mean? And he managed to get an army to follow him to Blackwater Bay… didn’t turn out too well for them, but they _were_ fighting for him. The Onion knight was a smuggler from a slum, he turned him into a lord and made him his right hand man. That is not something he can do for everyone. As head of the Baratheon family he had the right to lead that family’s banner men into war. However, Renly had a bigger army even though he wasn’t the rightful heir so his army was fighting for the family and not fro Stannis. No other families except the supported his claim to the throne and they still have not. At least Rob tried to enlist other families support in the war. Tywin was able to lose almost every battle and still win the war because he was able to enlist the help of other families. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/174 "2015-05-15T18:14:23Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > The Onion knight was a smuggler from a slum, he turned him into a lord and made him his right hand man. That is not something he can do for everyone. As head of the Baratheon family he had the right to lead that family’s banner men into war. However, Renly had a bigger army even though he wasn’t the rightful heir so his army was fighting for the family and not fro Stannis. No other families except the supported his claim to the throne and they still have not. At least Rob tried to enlist other families support in the war. Tywin was able to lose almost every battle and still win the war because he was able to enlist the help of other families. I think that’s plays into the difference. Stannis isn’t charismatic so people aren’t going to flock to him. But he’s the kind of leader that if you look at objectively and intellectually you say “oh yeah, he’s the guy.” That was kind of the crux of Davos’ speech to the Iron Bank, wasn’t it? They look at facts and figures and on paper who is the person best suited to lead Westeros? Stannis. Ideally he needs a charismatic queen (a Margery type) but he’s saddled with… what he has. And Davos being his Hand is helpful but not necessarily enough. Ultimately, if we’re predicting… While Stannis has his flaws, he’s too “good” for this world and will ultimately be betrayed or die heroically paving the way for a next generation leader–All signs point to Jon. ---
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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > They appear in plenty of HBO and others’ publicity for it. If we’re going to be using the names here, why not spell them correctly? Fighting ignorance and all that. I watch with subtitles. The names are there. ---
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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If Disney had done GOT: > [http://www.refinery29.com/2015/05/87064/game-of-thrones-disney?utm\_source=outbrain&utm\_medium=adsales&utm\_campaign=ent\_slideshows&utm\_content=Game-Of-Thrones-Gets-The-Disney-Treatmen#slide](http://www.refinery29.com/2015/05/87064/game-of-thrones-disney?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=adsales&utm_campaign=ent_slideshows&utm_content=Game-Of-Thrones-Gets-The-Disney-Treatmen#slide) > They appear in plenty of HBO and others’ publicity for it. If we’re going to be using the names here, why not spell them correctly? Fighting ignorance and all that. Where are you in the Agents of SHIELD thread? :p:D ---
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> [@Bone](#): > > I watch with subtitles. The names are there. “Dany” slightly annoys me. No one on the show has ever called her that. ---
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> [@Acsenray](#): > > “Dany” slightly annoys me. No one on the show has ever called her that. Didn’t her brother call her that? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723/179 "2015-05-15T20:30:01Z")
It seems to be a widespread nickname among GOT fans, so I’m cool with it. Just saw this 2000 Irish short film (just 11 minutes long), _The Second Death_, with three future GOT stars in it. Enjoy: [Вторая смерть / The Second Death (John Michael McDonagh) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9-T10032vs) ---
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> [@Acsenray](#): > > “Dany” slightly annoys me. No one on the show has ever called her that. False [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Akl6OK2HUNA/maxresdefault.jpg "Khal Drogo Killing Viserys - A Crown For A King - Game of Thrones 1x06 (HD)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akl6OK2HUNA&t=2m40s) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-05-kill-the-boy-5-10-15-show-discussion/719723.md?page=10)