# Game of Thrones 5.06 "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" 5/17/15 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 17, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249 "2015-05-17T17:44:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/81 "2015-05-19T03:57:41Z")
If Tommen were to snuff it, would the crown fall to Myrcella (she of the Dornish boyfriend)? Or can only men inherit the Iron Throne? And what of the raucous “wed them and bed them” customs of Westeros, as described in the pre-carnage Red Wedding chatting, when the wedding guests drunkenly undress the newlyweds and throw them in bed together? We didn’t see that in Ramsay and Sansa’s nuptials. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/82 "2015-05-19T04:10:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If Tommen were to snuff it, would the crown fall to Myrcella (she of the Dornish boyfriend)? Or can only men inherit the Iron Throne? We’ve never been given a complete rundown of hereditary rules. But Daenarys certainly thinks she can inherit. > [@](#): > > And what of the raucous “wed them and bed them” customs of Westeros, as described in the pre-carnage Red Wedding chatting, when the wedding guests drunkenly undress the newlyweds and throw them in bed together? We didn’t see that in Ramsay and Sansa’s nuptials. Perhaps people are more raucous when they’re in a good mood and not surrounded by banners depicting a flayed man. Just because it might be the usual custom in Westeros doesn’t mean everyone does it all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/83 "2015-05-19T04:42:34Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And what of the raucous “wed them and bed them” customs of Westeros, as described in the pre-carnage Red Wedding chatting, when the wedding guests drunkenly undress the newlyweds and throw them in bed together? We didn’t see that in Ramsay and Sansa’s nuptials. Sansa was married before the Old Gods. Ramsay didn’t do the bit with putting his cloak on her either. I got the impression that those customs are different, and do not include the “Wed them and bed them” thing common in marriage in the new religion. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/84 "2015-05-19T05:56:00Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Earlier he had a soliloquy about how he would prefer to die … a boring death. So … I wouldn’t hold out too much hope for Bronn. Also, he’s a character in Game of Thrones so he’s pretty much doomed. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/85 "2015-05-19T06:41:52Z")
Does anyone else get a slight Steerpike vibe from Littlefinger? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/86 "2015-05-19T07:56:09Z")
Loved the littlefinger moment with Lancel… ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/87 "2015-05-19T08:15:55Z")
It’s also worth pointing out that Cersei, in her great wisdom, managed to get the one person who knows about Robert being poisoned into a position of power. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/88 "2015-05-19T11:07:03Z")
I finally put my finger on why Sansa’s scene bothered me so much. One of the reasons I like GoT so much is that anything might happen. First example was the decapitation of Ned in season 1. By disregarding the “boring invincible hero” cliché, it showed that if characters mess up or even get unlucky, anything could happen to them. Which adds a lot of unpredictability and fun to a show. However, something predictable has come in its place ; the wheel of villains. A villain (say, Joffrey) does several horrible things, and is shown to be completely irredeemable. Often, beloved characters are made to suffer just to show how evil they are. And by the time this villain gets dispatched, several others have already taken their place to continue the cycle. Ramsay is simply Joffrey 2.0. A spoiled, sociopathic, irredeemable sadist. So now we’re back from fresh, exiting writing to formulaic tripe. What happened to Sansa has less to do with any kind of plot, and is just to kick someone we like to continue the villain cycle. The strings are showing. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/89 "2015-05-19T11:18:19Z")
Seems like Cersei has gone off the deep end empowering the Faith Militants, if they see themselves as above royalty she’s undermining her own authority which derives from her influence on her son. Imagine if Joffrey were still king, High Sparrow’s head would be decorating the Red Keep in record time. You can tell the Kingsguard are used to Joffrey’s rule when they go for their swords and wait on Tommen for the command. Anyone else finding Arya’s stuff a bit slow? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/90 "2015-05-19T11:23:13Z")
Aside from any scene involving Gilly, which are invariably a complete waste, the Dorne climax was the worst scene this show has ever had. The entire plot line was awful. “Bronn and Jamie road trip” sounded fun and had a lot potential, but there was only about 4 minutes of it filmed and half of that was badly choreographed fight scenes. The Sand Snakes were awful and pathetic. They speechified with awful dialogue, they were totally not credible as threats/badasses, they tried and [failed pretty hard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VTkL62YnTA) at that characterization. Obara apparently preceeds every line of dialogue with “I am the daughter of Oberyn Martell. He took to me to court and taught me to fight. Please pass the salt, grandma” The grand master plan Jaime and Bronn had to conduct this significant kidnapping was to stroll into the Prince’s guardian, unchecked, and then whisper to a confused Myrcella from the bushes. And just by sheer coincidence, they arrived at the exact same moment as the teenage mutant ninja sand snakes. So we were treated to an awfully choreographed fight where some characters who didn’t look like they could rob a little old lady somehow took on master killer Bronn. It looked like the fight scene of a high school musical. Oh, and Bronn, easily one of the best characters in the show, is going to die from that abortion, giving him a totally unworthy death scene. “Oh for fooks sake” indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/91 "2015-05-19T11:24:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, and Bronn, easily one of the best characters in the show, is going to die from that abortion, giving him a totally unworthy death scene. “Oh for fooks sake” indeed. It’s our own fault, you can’t have a favourite character in GoT, it’s a death sentence. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/92 "2015-05-19T14:30:43Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > She’s 19 > [Sophie Turner - IMDb](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3849842/) > So, why is the king so inept? Does the church really have the power to arrest the queen? I know Tommen is a pussy and all, but he really should have had is king’s guard step in and stop that from happening. He’s king. Who is going to stop him? > [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Seems like Cersei has gone off the deep end empowering the Faith Militants, if they see themselves as above royalty she’s undermining her own authority which derives from her influence on her son. Imagine if Joffrey were still king, High Sparrow’s head would be decorating the Red Keep in record time. You can tell the Kingsguard are used to Joffrey’s rule when they go for their swords and wait on Tommen for the command. > > Anyone else finding Arya’s stuff a bit slow? I get the feeling that Tommen is also struggling to NOT be like Jeoffrey. He had that bastard as an older brother for a long time. I think he wants to avoid becoming like Jeoffrey at all costs, and he’s over-correcting a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/93 "2015-05-19T14:31:02Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > It’s also worth pointing out that Cersei, in her great wisdom, managed to get the one person who knows about Robert being poisoned into a position of power. Robert wasn’t poisoned, just repeatedly plied with alcohol while on a dangerous boar hunt, wasn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/94 "2015-05-19T14:35:24Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Next weekend is Memorial Day weekend so we gotta wait two weeks until the next episode. Nope. As shown [here on HBO’s Game of Thrones website](http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones#/game-of-thrones/episodes/index.html&isVideoPage=true&null&subcategories=none&order=date-desc&limit=none), next episode is scheduled for May 24th. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/95 "2015-05-19T14:36:37Z")
H > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Robert wasn’t poisoned, just repeatedly plied with alcohol while on a dangerous boar hunt, wasn’t he? This isn’t entirely clear in my mind but I seem to recall something like Lancel switching his wine to one that was stronger than he usually had while hunting. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/96 "2015-05-19T14:36:54Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > This episode was all about lies. > > Margery and Loras lie while under oath. Tyrion and Jorah lie to the slavers about how big of a badass Jorah is. Arya has lies beaten out of her until she learns to lie properly. We are reminded in the “previously, on Game of Thrones …” recap of how Ramsey swore he would never hurt Sansa. Littlefinger’s lips were moving, so he was probably lying at some point as well. This makes me wonder: Was Sansa lying about anything? > > The scene between Cersei and Olenna was wonderful. The traded barbs about tarts would have easily been the greatest line of the show, had we not been given the instant classic, “The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant.” What were they lying about when they said Jorah was a badass? Wasn’t that all true? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/97 "2015-05-19T14:39:34Z")
> [@theR](#): > > What were they lying about when they said Jorah was a badass? Wasn’t that all true? I’m not sure if the tournament stuff (that he beat Jaime) was true, or that songs are sung about Ser Jorah’s exploits in battle, but he has been portrayed so far as a highly skilled warrior. I thought the show missed out on a chance at a sword fight by having the main slave-monger ‘test’ Jorah against one of his own men (or another slave). Maybe that’s still to come. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/98 "2015-05-19T14:43:22Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > It’s our own fault, you can’t have a favourite character in GoT, it’s a death sentence. I’m to print that on a t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/99 "2015-05-19T14:44:41Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > I get the feeling that Tommen is also struggling to NOT be like Jeoffrey. He had that bastard as an older brother for a long time. I think he wants to avoid becoming like Jeoffrey at all costs, and he’s over-correcting a bit. I doubt he’s over correcting. He’s not cruel but beyond that he doesn’t know what he’s supposed to be doing. I just think no one has ever taught him anything about being a king. Tywin didn’t live long enough to train him and Cersei just wants to manipulate him. ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249/100 "2015-05-19T14:48:39Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This isn’t entirely clear in my mind but I seem to recall something like Lancel switching his wine to one that was stronger than he usually had while hunting. That was roughly my understanding. Not poison, but Lansel at the behest of Cersei screwed with the wine in such a way as to slow down Robert enough for a typical hunt to turn fatal. When they were talking at the beginning of the season, I assumed that was the big sin he was suggesting she should ask the gods’ forgiveness for. Now that he seems to be tight with the high sparrow dude, he might decide to share that little bit of info. I figure he probably gets an indulgence or something for dedicating his life to the order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-06-unbowed-unbent-unbroken-5-17-15/720249.md?page=6)