# Game of Thrones 5.07 "The Gift" 5/24/2015 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 25, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759 "2015-05-25T01:11:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/161 "2015-05-27T16:10:33Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Ah, right you are, I forgot about Frey (pun intended). I just pulled up and verified it, it’s those four. > > As for what I said about The Mountain, it’s just speculation based on what we’ve seen so far. Qyburn said he might be able to fix him up, Cersei asked if it would make him weaker, he said “oh no.” I just assumed that we’re eventually going to get a zombie Mountain, and there’s been no indication that Arya is aware that The Mountain is anything but alive and normal. We also had the “dwarf head” scene with Qyburn shushing a Frankenstein('s Monster) sounding Mountain still strapped to a table. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/162 "2015-05-27T16:28:55Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think it was littlefingers while the riverlands were in rebellion, but i wouldn’t be surprised if it went to the Freys as part of their betrayal of Robb. Specially since Littlefinger had already bailed to the Vale. I don’t think Tywin would strip vast income and military support from a valuable ally without compensation. Stripping lands and titles is usually only done to people you’re going to kill as soon as you can. Littlefinger is definitely Lord of Harrenhall. Does Walder get Riverrun or does he stay at the Twins and give it to an heir? In a similar situation it sounds like Roose is going to get the Dreadfort and Ramsay gets Winterfell. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/163 "2015-05-27T18:16:21Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > I feel like anyone expecting Ramsay to get his just desserts this season in going to be disappointed. Too juicy of a character to not keep around for a while. Roose may get his, however. > > Just my gut feeling. I would agree. It wasn’t lost on Ramsay that his father’s new child may be a future rival for his inheritance. I won’t be surprised if Ramsay adds infanticide and patricide to his rap sheet. ---
**Author:** ![Made\_in\_Macau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@Made\_in\_Macau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Made_in_Macau)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/164 "2015-05-27T18:39:35Z")
It feels odd to me that Bran and Hodor haven’t been seen this series. If this has been addressed here - sorry - I have to admit to skim reading the threads as some people write in so much detail it makes me feel they have information from elsewhere. MiM ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/165 "2015-05-27T19:07:59Z")
> [@Made\_in\_Macau](#): > > It feels odd to me that Bran and Hodor haven’t been seen this series. > If this has been addressed here - sorry - I have to admit to skim reading the threads as some people write in so much detail it makes me feel they have information from elsewhere. This thread is for Non Book, Show only posts, While some times people post stuff they shouldnt, most of the time detailed posts are from those with the better memories I think. It is some times remarkable that people can watch the same show but come out with such different ideas on what happened ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/166 "2015-05-27T19:25:29Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > > [@River\_Hippie](#): > > > > I feel like anyone expecting Ramsay to get his just desserts this season in going to be disappointed. Too juicy of a character to not keep around for a while. Roose may get his, however. > > > > Just my gut feeling. > > I would agree. It wasn’t lost on Ramsay that his father’s new child may be a future rival for his inheritance. I won’t be surprised if Ramsay adds infanticide and patricide to his rap sheet. I think that Roose’s wife might have a convenient “accident” on the steps while still pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/167 "2015-05-27T23:37:07Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > …In fact, I’ve been thinking for a while that Littlefinger probably never had sex with anyone. At least, he never displayed any interest in it for himself, despite running a brothel… He sired a child with Lysa when they were young (her father forced her to abort), and I guarantee she aggressively insisted on her conjugal rights during her short marriage to Littlefinger. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/168 "2015-05-28T00:00:44Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > He sired a child with Lysa when they were young (her father forced her to abort), Was this in the show? I don’t recall. > [@](#): > > and I guarantee she aggressively insisted on her conjugal rights during her short marriage to Littlefinger. This was definitely in the show, audibly. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/169 "2015-05-28T00:10:53Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > He sired a child with Lysa when they were young (her father forced her to abort), and I guarantee she aggressively insisted on her conjugal rights during her short marriage to Littlefinger. Well, here’s the thing. Littlefinger runs brothels. Of COURSE he is not all that worked up about sex. For years, all he had to do to get laid was order one of the girls to do whatever it was he wanted her to do. He’s probably had all the pussy he wants, however he wants it. He’s the least horny dude in the cast. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/170 "2015-05-28T00:25:18Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > He sired a child with Lysa when they were young (her father forced her to abort) As far as I can recall this has never been mentioned in the show. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/171 "2015-05-28T00:48:48Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I think the show has completely dropped the Freys, has there been a mention of them recently? Walder’s long absence seems especially weird considering Brans very timely retelling of the story of the Rat Cook (the moral of which is The gods don’t like it when you kill guests under your roof). Not so timely now that it’s been almost 2 full seasons since we last saw him and no payoff (yet) for that story. Foreshadowing is nice, but it’s lost some of its dramatic tension after 2 years. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/172 "2015-05-28T01:04:11Z")
There is nothing for the Freys to be doing at this point, there are enough characters already without having old ones pop up just to remind us they still exist. We haven’t seen the Greyjoys for a long time either. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/173 "2015-05-28T01:28:47Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Walder’s long absence seems especially weird considering Brans very timely retelling of the story of the Rat Cook (the moral of which is The gods don’t like it when you kill guests under your roof). Not so timely now that it’s been almost 2 full seasons since we last saw him and no payoff (yet) for that story. Foreshadowing is nice, but it’s lost some of its dramatic tension after 2 years. Could be that Walder gets clean away with the Red Wedding. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/174 "2015-05-28T01:35:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > There is nothing for the Freys to be doing at this point, there are enough characters already without having old ones pop up just to remind us they still exist. We haven’t seen the Greyjoys for a long time either. I guess it’s a good thing I wasn’t asking for him to just pop up then. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/175 "2015-05-28T01:38:10Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Could be that Walder gets clean away with the Red Wedding. He sure could. But why would they have Bran tell such an apt story at such an apt time? That seems like very cheap misdirection. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/176 "2015-05-28T02:15:20Z")
Isn’t Roose’s wife a Frey or am I misremembering? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/177 "2015-05-28T02:24:13Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Isn’t Roose’s wife a Frey or am I misremembering? I believe she is. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/178 "2015-05-28T02:45:06Z")
Is Roose’s wife the Frey daughter whom Robb Stark was supposed to marry? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/179 "2015-05-28T02:45:07Z")
Yes, Walder offered him his choice of Frey girls with the promise of the bride’s weight in gold. Hence, a fat wife and a full purse. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759/180 "2015-05-28T02:50:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is Roose’s wife the Frey daughter whom Robb Stark was supposed to marry? Frey offered him the daughter of his choice. He gave Catelyn’s brother a pretty one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-07-the-gift-5-24-2015-show-discussion/720759.md?page=10)