# Game of Thrones 5.08 "Hardhome" 5/31/15 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 1, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309 "2015-06-01T02:12:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/1 "2015-06-01T02:12:28Z")
Late. Sorry. [5.01 The Wars to Come](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=754271) [5.02 The House of Black and White](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=754851) [5.03 High Sparrow](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18318166) [5.04 The Sons of the Harpy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=756033) [5.05 Kill The Boy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=756607) [5.06 Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18371984) [5.07 The Gift](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=757694) This is for the discussion of the TV show as its own entity. The books do not exist in this thread. No book comparisons, references, anything. The current open spoilers thread for discussion of both the books and TV show is [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=754326). More of them may open up with a different niche, but that seems to be the main one at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/2 "2015-06-01T02:16:45Z")
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG That said, I’m disappointed the Faith has to resort to torture to get people to confess. Surely there’s something in their little book that says that’s not kosher. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/3 "2015-06-01T02:16:57Z")
That was such an awesome episode. How can schmucks like Michael Bay spend a bazillion dollars on their CGI crapfests that end up looking like cartoonish horseshit, while television totally nails it? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/4 "2015-06-01T02:18:03Z")
Holy shit that fight with Jon and the White Walker! Fuck yeah! ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/5 "2015-06-01T02:19:08Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > That was such an awesome episode. How can schmucks like Michael Bay spend a bazillion dollars on their CGI crapfests that end up looking like cartoonish horseshit, while television totally nails it? For starters, it helps to have a great composer as opposed to Hans Zimmer on autopilot. Hans _can_ do good work when he sets his mind on it though. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/6 "2015-06-01T02:20:08Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Holy shit that fight with Jon and the White Walker! Fuck yeah! And that speech! ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/7 "2015-06-01T02:20:13Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG > > That said, I’m disappointed the Faith has to resort to torture to get people to confess. Surely there’s something in their little book that says that’s not kosher. Nobody expects the [del]Spanish Inquisition[/del] Faith. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/8 "2015-06-01T02:22:39Z")
So Valyrian steel is handy against white walkers. Who else besides Jon and Brienne do we know has a sword? I sure hope Joffrey wasn’t buried with his. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/9 "2015-06-01T02:31:21Z")
I can’t say I understand what Jorah’s plan is unless it’s “Greyscale for evvvveryoonnnne!!” ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/10 "2015-06-01T02:33:04Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > So Valyrian steel is handy against white walkers. Who else besides Jon and Brienne do we know has a sword? I sure hope Joffrey wasn’t buried with his. My response was “oh, that’s the secret of Valyrian steel–obsidian.” Amazing episode. I hated that they introduced the female wildling leader and then clichéd the hell out of her (although her getting taken out by zombie kids is the correct way to go if you go that route). Glad our giant friend made it… but was the idea he just swims out to the boat and then grabs on and hitches a ride. Also really liked Tyrion tutoring Dany. This seems like a good match. I predict Varys will arrive in the season finale. > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I can’t say I understand what Jorah’s plan is unless it’s “Greyscale for evvvveryoonnnne!!” I think it is as simple as…die in front of her either in battle or by her order. Either way he has her attention. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/11 "2015-06-01T02:54:37Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > So Valyrian steel is handy against white walkers. Who else besides Jon and Brienne do we know has a sword? I sure hope Joffrey wasn’t buried with his. Jaime also has one. (Tywin had Ned Stark’s sword reforged into two, one each for Joffrey and Jaime.) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/12 "2015-06-01T02:56:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Jaime also has one. (Tywin had Ned Stark’s sword reforged into two, one each for Joffrey and Jaime.) That’s the one Brienne has. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/13 "2015-06-01T02:59:56Z")
I forgot about that. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/14 "2015-06-01T03:08:47Z")
D&D are probably thinking, “We’re glad you all liked that cause we spent a kajillion dollars on the last 25 minutes.” ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/15 "2015-06-01T03:15:25Z")
…that was a hell of a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/16 "2015-06-01T03:17:03Z")
That last scene with the white walkers made Tyrion and Dany’s political chat seem very quaint. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/17 "2015-06-01T03:18:35Z")
There’s also Littlefinger’s Valyrian steel dagger, back in season 1. Not sure who wound up with it, though. As soon as unnamed leader woman put the kids on the boat, it was painfully obvious that she wasn’t going to make it out of the episode. Was that the only giant left, like anywhere? If so, he must get awful lonely. Poor fella. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/18 "2015-06-01T03:19:12Z")
Apparently the show runners either were bad at or never played AD&D. Otherwise, they’d have the wildlings prepare fire based defenses against frost based undead. Their wooden wall should have been soaked in tar/oil and set on fire at the very least. A layered defense with trenches of fire on both sides of the barriacade would have been nice. Jorah’s predicament is interesting. He’s got a normally fatal disease, so he doesn’t have much time left. He was lucky to walk out of town with his head still attached—so obviously he [del] goes pretty much anywhere else on the planet to die in peace/look for a cure[/del] sells himself into slavery to fight as a gladiator for a woman that ain’t taking him back. I get not going the snorting blow of hooker’s asses route so as not to spread the creeping crud to innocent whores, but maybe the dude should just crawl into a bottle and die already. ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/19 "2015-06-01T03:22:21Z")
Awesome battle scene at the end. I always like seeing the giants lumber around on screen. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309/20 "2015-06-01T05:12:55Z")
Loved that scene with the Giant stomping on the walker. Gives an appreciation as to why the armor boys call anyone else crunchies. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-08-hardhome-5-31-15-show-discussion/721309.md?page=2)