# Game of Thrones 5.10 "Mother's Mercy" 6/14/15 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526 "2015-06-14T19:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/401 "2015-06-18T21:37:33Z")
Oh, and I’m not a moderator, but as the OP of the thread, I still intend for the show discussion only rule to apply here, and to apply into next season too. Not everything that happens in the books and the show happen in the same order - a plot development from book 5 could easily make it into season 6. Or background knowledge from the books may not apply to the show, making explanations for a certain character motivation false or confusing. Or spoiling can happen the other way - some people are actually reading the books after the show, and off-hand discussion of scenes and plot points that are in the books but not to show would actually spoil their enjoyment of reaching those points in the books. But perhaps most importantly, a hard rule prevents the need to argue over people’s subjective notion of what a spoiler is and what isn’t. To prevent the sort of squabbling we’ve seen come back in this thread, that the moderators had to step in for. Show discussion only is the clearest rule that prevents these threads from turning into trainwrecks when people obey it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/402 "2015-06-18T22:37:59Z")
So where does the info in your previous post (“Syrio actually killed Trant but knew the Lannisters would be looking for him for it. So he ended up hiding the body and wearing Trant’s face, and living his life as Trant as per assassin rules. Arya actually just killed Syrio. It’ll be revealed in ep 1 of next season.”) come from? Is that just speculation? If so, it helps if you identify it as such. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/403 "2015-06-18T22:42:52Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So where does the info in your previous post (“Syrio actually killed Trant but knew the Lannisters would be looking for him for it. So he ended up hiding the body and wearing Trant’s face, and living his life as Trant as per assassin rules. Arya actually just killed Syrio. It’ll be revealed in ep 1 of next season.”) come from? Is that just speculation? If so, it helps if you identify it as such. It’s a joke. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/404 "2015-06-18T22:44:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s a joke. And a really, really, really obvious one. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/405 "2015-06-18T22:47:37Z")
Not _that_ obvious, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/406 "2015-06-18T22:50:06Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m not going to dispute it. Go ahead : warn again, suspend, ban, I can’t really say I care. AFAIK, it’s my first warning in 14 years and 15000 posts on topics ranging from child rape to Israel policies (and even circumcision), so getting sanctioned for a careful book mention in a TV show thread isn’t going to make me feel bad or guilty. > > I don’t have the patience to cater to the delicate sensitivities of people who are so offended by the word book that they felt the need to report the post or to call me a jerk, nor the interest to open an umpteenth “book mention in a GOT thread” ATMB debate. > > I have no hard feelings towards you personnally, especially since you took the time to write me a nice message, but I feel this is just ludicrous, and at this point in my life, I can’t care enough to shut up and bend the knee to the book-triggered crowd. I can’t be bothered, sorry. It’s not like I’m going to be skinned alive or burned to death for it. > > If people want to have me killed on this hill, then so be it, I just don’t feel like moving from there. You will be suspended for a few days to cool off if you post in this thread again about this issue. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/407 "2015-06-18T23:18:41Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > So what will be the repercussions of Meryn Trant’s demise? Presumably nobody other than the Faceless Men knows that Arya was the perpetrator. From the perspective of others, a member of the Kings Guard was murdered under mysterious circumstances during a trip to Braavos while escorting Lord Tyrell. Perhaps Cersei will suspect the Tyrells were behind it. And Arya really went to town on Ser Meryn; if she’d just slit his throat & let him bleed out it could’ve been written off as one of the prostitutes he was known for beating striking back. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/408 "2015-06-19T01:08:53Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Or spoiling can happen the other way - some people are actually reading the books after the show, and off-hand discussion of scenes and plot points that are in the books but not to show would actually spoil their enjoyment of reaching those points in the books. 100% this. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > But perhaps most importantly, a hard rule prevents the need to argue over people’s subjective notion of what a spoiler is and what isn’t. To prevent the sort of squabbling we’ve seen come back in this thread, that the moderators had to step in for. Show discussion only is the clearest rule that prevents these threads from turning into trainwrecks when people obey it. and this. And Theon could still be playing Sansa like he was played, is it really that hard to imagine that the death of whatsherface by Theon is somehow beyond Ramsey to plan? He killed the hell out of multiple people while messing with Theons head. I dont honestly think thats whats going on, but I will not be shocked if it is, It would be pretty great writing on whoevers writing this part of the show. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/409 "2015-06-19T01:19:08Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, and I’m not a moderator, but as the OP of the thread, I still intend for the show discussion only rule to apply here, and to apply into next season too. Not everything that happens in the books and the show happen in the same order - a plot development from book 5 could easily make it into season 6. Or background knowledge from the books may not apply to the show, making explanations for a certain character motivation false or confusing. Or spoiling can happen the other way - some people are actually reading the books after the show, and off-hand discussion of scenes and plot points that are in the books but not to show would actually spoil their enjoyment of reaching those points in the books. > > But perhaps most importantly, a hard rule prevents the need to argue over people’s subjective notion of what a spoiler is and what isn’t. To prevent the sort of squabbling we’ve seen come back in this thread, that the moderators had to step in for. Show discussion only is the clearest rule that prevents these threads from turning into trainwrecks when people obey it. There is a discussion about it [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=759938) now. Let’s take all talk over to that thread, just FYI. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/410 "2015-06-19T04:23:28Z")
I think Theon just reached his breaking point and, by force of long-suppressed will, disenthralled himself from Ramsay and decided, in desperation, to help Sansa… but it would be a fiendishly clever plot twist indeed if he was still doing Ramsay’s bidding. Brrrr. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/411 "2015-06-19T04:26:16Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > There is a discussion about it [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=759938) now. Let’s take all talk over to that thread, just FYI. Aaaaand that thread is now closed. Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/412 "2015-06-19T04:42:11Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > There is a discussion about it [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=759938) now. Let’s take all talk over to that thread, just FYI. I’m having trouble understanding the thought process of directing traffic to a second thread to prevent hijacking, and then closing that second thread 90 minutes later. Seems counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/413 "2015-06-19T11:34:35Z")
Lena Headey’s body double Rebecca Van Cleave … Is beautiful! [http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNzQ4MDk3NjMyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMjk4MjAzNDE@.\_V1\_UX214\_CR0,0,214,317\_AL\_.jpg](http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNzQ4MDk3NjMyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMjk4MjAzNDE@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/414 "2015-06-19T12:16:42Z")
Ugh. That didn’t work. Here’s her agent’s web site: [http://www.elliottbrownagency.co.uk/portfolio.asp?entrytype=Women&ID=3149](http://www.elliottbrownagency.co.uk/portfolio.asp?entrytype=Women&ID=3149) ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/415 "2015-06-19T14:49:39Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’m having trouble understanding the thought process of directing traffic to a second thread to prevent hijacking, and then closing that second thread 90 minutes later. Seems counterproductive. Indeed. It seems almost like a “shut up, shut up, shut up” like move to me. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/416 "2015-06-19T15:12:23Z")
If Westeros were Western Europe… not perfectly analogous, of course, but some interesting parallels: [This Map Of Westeros Shows The European Equivalents Of The Seven Kingdoms | HuffPost Entertainment](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/westeros-europe_n_7565694.html?utm_hp_ref=world&ir=WorldPost) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/417 "2015-06-19T15:16:06Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think Theon just reached his breaking point and, by force of long-suppressed will, disenthralled himself from Ramsay and decided, in desperation, to help Sansa… but it would be a fiendishly clever plot twist indeed if he was still doing Ramsay’s bidding. Brrrr. It probably helped that it was Myranda and not Ramsay. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/418 "2015-06-19T15:24:23Z")
Yes. If Theon pushed Ramsay off the battlements, we could be pretty sure it wasn’t at Ramsay’s request. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/419 "2015-06-19T15:33:49Z")
I meant it was a lot easier to stand up to Myranda than to Ramsay, specially since he was gone at the time. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/420 "2015-06-19T16:53:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think Theon just reached his breaking point and, by force of long-suppressed will, disenthralled himself from Ramsay and decided, in desperation, to help Sansa… but it would be a fiendishly clever plot twist indeed if he was still doing Ramsay’s bidding. Brrrr. It would pretty much be a repeat of Ramsay killing his own men to pretend to break Theon out just to bring him back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526.md?page=22)