# Game of Thrones 5.10 "Mother's Mercy" 6/14/15 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526 "2015-06-14T19:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/141 "2015-06-15T14:34:26Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Could someone explain to me just WTF happened in the Arya scene? I’m going to bump this because I’m right there with you. I really don’t understand the whole Arya arch, and this just made it more confusing. I wish they would either kill her off, or get her story moving again. It’s like she’s in Limbo. Maybe next season will open with Cersei waking up up in her royal bedchamber and the big reveal is that Season 5 was all a dream!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/142 "2015-06-15T14:42:25Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Let’s find a tiny ring on a semi mountainous wilderness which was incidentally run over by tens of thousands of horsemen 30 second after she dropped said ring. > Do you not notice a tiny problem there? That was my thought at first, but then the Dothraki rode around and around her in a big circle. So, if I was a tracker and if I noticed the tracks of an army on horseback circling around a certain spot, I might look pretty closely at that spot. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/143 "2015-06-15T14:58:02Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Could someone explain to me just WTF happened in the Arya scene? > > Also the visual of the blonde girl with Jacquen’s head made me laugh out loud, but I think it was supposed to be serious. > > So Arya’s mentor KILLED HIMSELF because his pupil misbehaved?! If their cult worships death so much, why not all commit suicide tomorrow? If you love death so much it is the obvious answer. > > Did Arya hallucinate much of the scene? I think at least part of the lesson is that a Faceless Man truly has no identity. Arya thinks that there is a person called “Jaqen H’ghar” who has s certain appearance and personality and physical existence and that person is her friend and teacher. What that little exercise showed her, in part, was that, no, Jaqen H’ghar doesn’t exist as an individual person. He is just a face that can be worn my multiple Faceless Men. One wearing that face might take poison and die, but that doesn’t mean that Jaqen H’ghar took poison and died, because that Faceless Man wasn’t Jaqen H’ghar. No one is. It’s just a face. That’s what Arya has to become. A person with no identity of her own. Just someone who can put on many faces. The second thing is hinted at but not made entirely clear. It’s that Faceless Men are not allowed to kill just anyone they want to kill. There’s some way of knowing when a killing is needed. What that way of knowing is isn’t explicitly told to us. What seems clear to me is that Faceless Men do not have a right to kill for personal reasons. They don’t have their own personalities, so they can’t have personal reasons. All that seems to me to be the implication of the statement “You are still someone.” Arya has to give up being Arya, including her own allegiance to her past, her loyalties, her resentments, her vendettas. Those are all things that “someone” has and to become a Faceless Man, Arya has to become “no one.” My own suspicion is that ultimately Arya will fail to become a Faceless Man. > [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > Brienne caled Renly the rightful king of Westeros, by what logic? I think you’re taking it too literally. Brienne isn’t referring to any principled statement derived from the law of succession. Renly was the king she lived and she was loyal to so she considers him rightful. > [@grude](#): > > Now there are thousands of people on the NW side who assume without Jon they will be genocided, and they are probably right. Who is going to commit genocide? The Night’s Watch is tiny. It doesn’t have the strength to be committing genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/144 "2015-06-15T15:06:13Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Seriously though. I did not see that ending coming. I figured the kid might do something stupid, but not that. But if they were going to do that anyway, why did the First Ranger guy open the doors for them in the first place? Seems kind of silly to me. > > Leave it to GRRM to make the scene where Jaime tells Myrcella that he’s her incest dad somehow sweet, then horrifying, then tragic. > > Kind of annoyed that Danaerys’ plot has sprung yet another loose thread. Still, I was practically giddy seeing the Varys’ reunion with Tyrion. I love those two together. > > I’m a little bummed that we didn’t get any closure on Loras and Margaery this season. I like them and I’d like to see them come out on top. At least we know pretty clearly that Cersei is coming out on bottom. > > ETA: Oh yeah, yay for Kennelmaster Girl’s Cranium losing the fight against Cobblestone Walkway. I’ve been waiting all season to see that matchup and it did not disappoint. > > ETA2: If Jon is truly dead, which would blow, but not be surprising at this point, at least he did what he could to help. He saved a bunch of Free Folk and sent Sam off to study. Could be that’s the most good he could have done with what he had. Right, the first ranger guy could have not opened the gate. There were others in the Night Watch who thought that Jon Snow was crazy, and would be okay with him and the Free Folk not being let in. I agree on wanting to know what happened to Loras and Margaery. I have expected that when Cersei got back home, Queen Margaery would be waiting for her, that somehow she got out sooner. Does Cersei still have a trial to go through? The walk was her atonement, but the Sparrow said that she needed to go through a trial, and it would prove if she was lying about the other charges she still plead innocent to. > [@Nauplius](#): > > How in the hell did Ramsay get an army that large? Even if Stannis had been at full strength it still wouldn’t have been enough. Yeah, that was a big army. Is the north all really that fully behind the Boltons? Sansa is married to Ramsay, but she’s somewhat being held prisoner, I would think some of the other northerners would be able to see that. > [@EllisDee](#): > > So Jon is dead, Sam and Gilly are gone, Stannis and his entire army are dead; are we done with The Wall, then? Not many characters to carry scenes there anymore. I suppose a season opening scene of the Night’s Watch mercilessly slaughtering every last Wildling south of The Wall, but other than that not much left to do up there. I guess we might be done with The Wall if Jon is truly dead. But I’m pretty sure the Wildlings killing the Night’s Watch is more likely than the reverse. They have the numbers, and if they hear that Jon was killed they might know that they can’t trust the NW and take the initiative. I guess Sam will become a more important character, since he’s the only one left who takes the white walkers and their threat seriously and knows multiple ways to kill them. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > As soon as Cersei entered the castle, I thought she might say, “Kill them all.” But perhaps not; I don’t think she was entirely faking her contrition (although she didn’t fess up to the incest). I think the sparrows broke her. Yeah, I’m curious how this plays out. I don’t think she’s fully broken, but I think it did a number on her to see and hear how the people truly feel about her. I don’t know the strength of numbers, it might very well backfire if she sends out guards to try to kill all the Sparrows, but I don’t know if she has wise counsel right now that will prevent her from doing that. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Daario Naharis: surprisingly competent in a crisis. Yeah, I liked that. It was a good idea for Tyrion to be in charge with Grey Worm and Missandei, that should be fun to see. > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > First episode next season Sansa makes it to the wall to see her brother. > > I suspect that the High Sparrow has an understanding with the new Hand of the King about Cercei. Cercei’s humiliation makes her less of problem for her uncle and keeps her out of power so she will not be in a position to take revenge. Oh my god that would be hilariously tragic if Sansa got to the Wall to find out Jon was dead. The poor girl can’t catch a break. Her going to the Wall is possible, or there might be some surrounding North towns she can hide out in. The High Sparrow seems like a true believer, but I could see him maybe making political deals. > [@Rigamarole](#): > > Jon Snow is absolutely not coming back in any way, shape, or form. Interview with the actor (Kit Harington) confirms: > > [Game of Thrones star on that shocking death: ‘I’m not coming back’](http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview) There’s a good chance he’s not coming back, but I’m keeping hope open. I did see rumors that he’s back in Belfast filming for the next season, but it’s supposed to be under the radar. Someone on Reddit posted a picture of him, but no telling on how recent it was. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Am I the only one that thinks both Theon and Sansa went SPLAT! and died when they jumped the wall together? That was a long fall, and even if that was deep powdered snow, I think serious injury leading to death was likely… Jon seems very likely to be dead, but I would be flabbergasted if Sansa and Theon were. That would be the most anticlimactic thing, for them to die off camera. Or for them to just appear as corpses in a part of an episode next season. I could see one of them being seriously injured, and so they have trouble running and hiding from Ramsay. Or maybe Theon dies and Sansa has to make it on her own. Also it’s possible after killing Stannis, Brienne sees the light and then goes looking for Sansa. > [@Rigamarole](#): > > She had a very good reason not to kill him. Before she swung her sword, he admitted flat-out to killing Renly with blood magic. Most of the realm knows she was with Renly when he died and understandably does not believe her story about a “shadow” killing him. This is grievously hurtful to her because she loved Renly dearly. She wants to clear her name. > > She also needs a purpose, now that Sansa doesn’t want anything to do with her. So she and Pod will be trotting around with him as a prisoner next season, I’m sure. Probably taking him to King’s Landing. Or perhaps back to Highgarden. I would very much bet against this happening. Stannis was severely injured, and could die even if an ambulance picked him up to take him to a modern hospital; I don’t see how picking him up and putting him on a horse to take him anywhere would do him any good. I bet Brienne gets her revenge, sees the candle from Sansa, endlessly berates herself that she neglected her duty to the Starks, and spends a few episodes looking for Sansa. > [@adaher](#): > > It’s not like they took a vote before deciding to open the gates. Whoever was in charge of that heard an order and followed it in the absence of an active conspiracy to overthrow Jon as leader while he was gone. Such a conspiracy probably didn’t get started until he returned with the wildlings. While he was gone it was probably assumed that he wasn’t coming back, or at least wouldn’t come back successful. Prior to that there was grumbling, but the idea of killing him was probably only in the heads of a few of them and they probably weren’t actively talking and planning yet. Once the wildings were actually behind the wall, they probably got serious. It was Ser Alliser Thorne, the first guy who stabbed Jon who was the one who opened the gate. I don’t think he’s had a sudden change of heart since then. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m going to bump this because I’m right there with you. I really don’t understand the whole Arya arch, and this just made it more confusing. I wish they would either kill her off, or get her story moving again. It’s like she’s in Limbo. Yeah, I’m unclear on what was going on with Arya at the end. I think she sinned since she when she was killing that guy, she specifically said her name, instead of being No One like she should have been. Though I don’t know how anyone else would have known that. But I was unclear on what was happening with the dead person wearing like 10 masks, then looking like Arya, then the real and alive Arya going blind. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/145 "2015-06-15T15:10:12Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > If The Watch hates Jon and the wildlings so much why did they open the gates for them? Let 'em freeze. My reading is that enough of the Watch was loyal to their oaths and to Jon that Alliser visibly and openly betraying his oaths in front of all of them was untenable. A conspiracy of 15 like-minded guys can be presented to the rest of The Watch either as fait accompli, or they can just lie and claim it was wildlings or something. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/146 "2015-06-15T15:21:29Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > My reading is that enough of the Watch was loyal to their oaths and to Jon that Alliser visibly and openly betraying his oaths in front of all of them was untenable. > > A conspiracy of 15 like-minded guys can be presented to the rest of The Watch either as fait accompli, or they can just lie and claim it was wildlings or something. I’m not sure that it’s so clear that they were betraying their oaths. They executed Jon as a traitor “for the Watch.” If someone like Olly agrees that Jon had betrayed his oath by risking the lives of Brothers for the sake of Wildlings, then it might not be so hard to persuade the majority of the Watch that this is the case. That is, if a lot of persuasion is even needed. It’s not like there are a lot of informed, thoughtful, moral, earnest members of the Night Watch left. Leaving Jon on the wrong side of the wall might have been trickier because there would still have been a Jon standing there to plead his case and a Samwell to argue on his behalf. Waiting for Sam to leave and then presenting an already executed traitor as a fait accompli might be a much more smooth way of doing things for Thorne. ETA: re-reading it looks like we are saying very similar things after all. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/147 "2015-06-15T15:29:09Z")
I didn’t think the Bolton army - cavalry - was that big. Last week I believe Stannis was down to 7,000. This week he lost half overnight, and then more marching to, and as the Bolton’s approached. Maybe he had 2,000 left. Plus the Bolton’s were on horseback. The part that seemed contrived to me was Stannis getting to the woods (having been surrounded) and the big blonde turning up to finish him off. Meanwhile Psycho Bolton is elsewhere sticking his sword in peoples back. Nah. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/148 "2015-06-15T15:36:48Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Yeah, I’m unclear on what was going on with Arya at the end. I think she sinned since she when she was killing that guy, she specifically said her name, instead of being No One like she should have been. Though I don’t know how anyone else would have known that. > > But I was unclear on what was happening with the dead person wearing like 10 masks, then looking like Arya, then the real and alive Arya going blind. I usually get the allegory/metaphor stuff but I’m finding this tough. I can see the white walkers representing global warming or something like that, but this many-faced thing … (a) I’m not that into but (b) might be capitalism or possibly religion itself. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/149 "2015-06-15T15:37:32Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > How in the hell did Ramsay get an army that large? Even if Stannis had been at full strength it still wouldn’t have been enough. Was just thinking of this question. Mainly cause there were a number of shots of the troops running around winterfell wearing a really big flayed man insignia, the size that can be seen by an F16 doing an attack run. Anyways, I have an inkling that these might be the Knights of the Vale, that littlefinger promised. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/150 "2015-06-15T15:44:29Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I usually get the allegory/metaphor stuff but I’m finding this tough. > > I can see the white walkers representing global warming or something like that, but this many-faced thing … (a) I’m not that into but (b) might be capitalism or possibly religion itself. I don’t think that everything is an allegory. As to an explanation of what’s happening in that scene, I offered my views in Post No. 143 — [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18439876&postcount=143](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18439876&postcount=143) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/151 "2015-06-15T15:48:45Z")
Did anyone else think that Dany had flown all the way to Westeros before the Dothraki showed up? Based on the location, I was half expecting her to find the Hound’s dead body. I hope her Season 6 storyline is not just “The Hunt for Dany.” It’s time for her to make a move on Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/152 "2015-06-15T15:52:09Z")
> [@F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](#): > > I thought she dropped her ring because she knew the Dothraki would take her away, and she wanted to leave something as a marker for whoever might come looking for her that she had been there. I have read suggestions that she dropped it so the Dothraki would not know she had remarried. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/153 "2015-06-15T15:53:36Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Now there are thousands of people on the NW side who assume without Jon they will be genocided, and they are probably right. > > Shit is going to get ugly without some crazy intervention or miracle, and I’m not sure the NW can win. I thought the Night Watch was down to less than a hundred men, after the battle with the wildlings. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/154 "2015-06-15T16:01:03Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I thought the Night Watch was down to less than a hundred men, after the battle with the wildlings. I think several of us are trying to make this point. The Night’s Watch is lucky to be alive. It’s a tiny force of miscreants and convicts. They’re not going to be wiping anyone out, certainly not the Wildlings, who have been fighters as a matter of their lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![franz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@franz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/franz)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/155 "2015-06-15T16:05:29Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > My understanding is Lena Headley was very pregnant when they filmed so they had to use a body double and CGI. > > I think, but not 100% sure, that Jon Snow is gone for good (which ruins my prediction of King Snow and Queen Dany). If he is, I am guessing Castle Black will be the first casualty in the fight with the White Walkers. They will easily scale the Wall and slaughter everyone there. By then Davos (Stannis’ friend, might have that name wrong) and Melissandre will be gone so no one we care about is left there. That will shift the focus of the North to Winterfell where Brienne and Pod are (and Reek and Sansa if they survived their jump). > > I believe Dany ditched the Ring because it was an indicator that she was married to the guy from Mareen. I assume she is planning to try to once again become Khaleesi. > > As soon as the Dorne woman kissed the Lannister I knew she was as good as dead. it is pretty obvious it was a cgi/body double scene. check this nsfw [http://nudesman.com/topic/it-was-lena-headey-naked-or-body-double-in-game-of-thrones-s05e10/](http://nudesman.com/topic/it-was-lena-headey-naked-or-body-double-in-game-of-thrones-s05e10/) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/156 "2015-06-15T16:09:36Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t think that everything is an allegory. > > As to an explanation of what’s happening in that scene, I offered my views in Post No. 143 — [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18439876&postcount=143](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18439876&postcount=143) Not everything. But writers who want to be respected sure build in that level. GoT is full of allegories, symbolism, metaphors, imagery, etc. and for some that’s more interesting than the escapist fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/157 "2015-06-15T16:09:38Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Did anyone else think that Dany had flown all the way to Westeros before the Dothraki showed up? Based on the location, I was half expecting her to find the Hound’s dead body. > > I hope her Season 6 storyline is not just “The Hunt for Dany.” It’s time for her to make a move on Westeros. I did for a moment. It did look a lot like Northern Westoros. > [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I have read suggestions that she dropped it so the Dothraki would not know she had remarried. I thought she may have dropped it because it identified her as a khalessi. Given the power struggle back when Khal Drogo died, whoever came out on top might want to simply kill her rather than let her exist as a potential rival or something. Until we get a close-up of the ring, it could be either reason, or it could have been meant as a clue for Daario and Jorah, as previously mentioned. It wouldn’t be that dissimilar to LotR when Merry and Pippin dropped their elven broaches to help guide Aragorn et al. ---
**Author:** ![Nom\_de\_Plume](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/85f322/32.png) [@Nom\_de\_Plume](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nom_de_Plume)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/158 "2015-06-15T16:10:57Z")
Before this season started, \*Entertainment Weekly \*had an article that talked about her having a nude scene this season but using a body double. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/159 "2015-06-15T16:12:06Z")
> [@franz](#): > > it is pretty obvious it was a cgi/body double scene. > > check this nsfw > [Loading](http://nudesman.com/topic/it-was-lena-headey-naked-or-body-double-in-game-of-thrones-s05e10/) Is it really even an issue? No star is going to walk naked through hundreds and hundreds of extras basically all day long and up close. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526/160 "2015-06-15T16:19:56Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Right, the first ranger guy could have not opened the gate. There were others in the Night Watch who thought that Jon Snow was crazy, and would be okay with him and the Free Folk not being let in. > > I agree on wanting to know what happened to Loras and Margaery. I have expected that when Cersei got back home, Queen Margaery would be waiting for her, that somehow she got out sooner. > > Does Cersei still have a trial to go through? The walk was her atonement, but the Sparrow said that she needed to go through a trial, and it would prove if she was lying about the other charges she still plead innocent to. > > **\** > > Yeah, I’m curious how this plays out. I don’t think she’s fully broken, but I think it did a number on her to see and hear how the people truly feel about her. I don’t know the strength of numbers, it might very well backfire if she sends out guards to try to kill all the Sparrows, but I don’t know if she has wise counsel right now that will prevent her from doing that. Cersei definitely has a trial coming, and I’m sure it’s not going to go well for her. That, or the looming threat of the trial pushes her to attempt violent action against the Sparrows. But I don’t see her commanding much power anymore. Qyburn seems to be the last person around who cares about her, and with Kevan as Hand, he won’t let her indulge her pettiness with public resources. I think that she’ll sink even lower once she hears of Myrcella’s death, and Tommen may not be long for the world either. She’ll keep fighting as long as her children live, but once both are dead, I think she’ll break completely and probably commit suicide. On a side note: the witch’s prophecy said “gold shall be their crowns, and gold their shrouds.” People have been interpreting this to mean that each of her children will have a crown, and then die (but also that Cersei will be alive to see it). The latter doesn’t necessarily follow, but does the former (crown, then die) mean that Myrcella may yet survive? She hadn’t married Trystane yet, so she doesn’t have a crown yet, does she? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-10-mothers-mercy-6-14-15-show-discussion/722526.md?page=9)