# Game of Thrones 6.01 "The Red Woman" 4/24/2016 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 23, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950 "2016-04-23T21:56:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/201 "2016-04-27T03:02:55Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Wouldn’t that be just like calling her Your Majesty? Yeah, but you wouldn’t say that to a third party. “Hey man, did you see Your majesty down at the 7-11 buying a big gulp?” I buy the Night’s Watch mutineers. How many US servicemen would let ISIS members into their barracks if there were rumors of zombies in Syria? How do we suppose the zombies would get over the Wall? If the tunnel is filled and frozen over it seems like they should be safe. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/202 "2016-04-27T03:28:19Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > How do we suppose the zombies would get over the Wall? Stand on each other’s shoulders. It’s not like they’re going to get frostbite. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/203 "2016-04-27T04:10:37Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > How do we suppose the zombies would get over the Wall? I don’t know if they’re smart enough to crew ships, but if they are there were some at Hardhome. And if they’re not, they could just walk across the floor of the sea to go around it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/204 "2016-04-27T04:16:09Z")
Giant icy trampolines. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/205 "2016-04-27T04:44:48Z")
All of a sudden, I’m reminded of that scene in World War Z in, was it Israel? Wait a minute. . . [Yeah, Jerusalem.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg) ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/206 "2016-04-27T04:46:56Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I was just thinking that maybe she couldn’t have another shadow baby with Stannis because she hit witch menopause. Don’t be nearby when a red priestess has hot flashes. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/207 "2016-04-27T05:57:34Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Thanks, I take back my comments. It’s clearly just a shroud (of gold) draped over her body. I guess her crown of gold was just her hair. It’s Tommen’s turn next. If it makes you feel any better, I also thought I saw a coffin in that little boat. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/208 "2016-04-27T06:34:31Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Interesting. > > EDIT: [Here’s the scene](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEj1aN_Rmj0&t=2m46s). I don’t interpret it the way you do, but I see how it could be read either way. > > I read her “It’s not possible” as it not being possible at all, not that’s it’s perfectly fine to bring someone back once but six times is beyond the pale. I would agree with this interpretation and add the following. Thoros responds to her statement “You should not have this power” with “I do not have any power, I ask the favor and the lord responds as he will” I think that bit will be the key, She thinks shes the one who has the powers to do what she does, taking the humble route will be the answer. (I think) ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/209 "2016-04-27T06:48:29Z")
Missed Edit window and Shes bundled up when she comes to look at Jon…interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/210 "2016-04-27T09:53:16Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Yeah, but you wouldn’t say that to a third party. > > “Hey man, did you see Your majesty down at the 7-11 buying a big gulp?” You would say that Her Majesty was buying a big gulp. Differences in grammar can account for the same word having both meanings. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/211 "2016-04-27T10:22:04Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Wouldn’t that be just like calling her Your Majesty? No, they’re not saying it as a title, but as if it were her first name. The article linked before me, for example. > [@](#): > > She’s now a prisoner of her new Dothraki friends, and they are classy. Khaleesi spent the early moments enduring two charming lads who made all sorts of offensive remarks and speculations. Plus, I think about a quarter of the people who watch the show actually think her first name is Khaleesi, based on how I see people reference her on the internet. It’s also a lot closer to “queen” than “your majesty” - they may use it to address the person directly, but they also use it as a title. “The khaleesi is tired” and such. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > Thanks, I take back my comments. It’s clearly just a shroud (of gold) draped over her body. I guess her crown of gold was just her hair. It’s Tommen’s turn next. Kinda weak for a prophecy. It clearly suggests they’ll all be king/queen at some point, so it’s kind of a cheat to say it refers to hair just for one of them, when the other two were rulers. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/212 "2016-04-27T10:36:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Plus, I think about a quarter of the people who watch the show actually think her first name is Khaleesi, based on how I see people reference her on the internet. Well, it _is_ easier to spell than Daenerys. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/213 "2016-04-27T14:47:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Kinda weak for a prophecy. It clearly suggests they’ll all be king/queen at some point, so it’s kind of a cheat to say it refers to hair just for one of them, when the other two were rulers. I always thought the “gold crown” was a double meaning, referring to the fact that they weren’t really Baratheons and had gold hair. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/214 "2016-04-27T14:53:56Z")
Maybe, but to have a double meaning, both meanings would have to be true, right? In this case, the first meaning (a literal crown) didn’t come true for Myrcella. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/215 "2016-04-27T15:02:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > …Kinda weak for a prophecy. It clearly suggests they’ll all be king/queen at some point, so it’s kind of a cheat to say it refers to hair just for one of them, when the other two were rulers. Prophesies by random characters in fiction usually have multiple possible meanings. While there is an obvious outcome implied in the prophesy, it usually only comes true in some twisty way. The crown of gold reference to Cersei’s children all having blond hair is probably the most positive interpretation. If all three were to indeed become rulers, it probably would mean unfortunate demises for both of her sons; and worse, before they had any sons of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/216 "2016-04-27T15:39:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What if she doesn’t resurrect him, but instead impersonates him as if she resurrected him? The actor would be the same, but he would be playing a different character - Melissandre acting as him. I’ve not heard a new theory for weeks, but this one isn’t a bad one for the show. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/217 "2016-04-27T15:52:39Z")
There are [other options](http://i.imgur.com/H0UZM4H.jpg) I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/218 "2016-04-27T18:30:16Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I would agree with this interpretation and add the following. > > Thoros responds to her statement “You should not have this power” with “I do not have any power, I ask the favor and the lord responds as he will” > > I think that bit will be the key, She thinks shes the one who has the powers to do what she does, taking the humble route will be the answer. (I think) I’m going to have to agree more with the other interpretation, but I think there is a third interpretation that essentially combines the other two. Melisandre’s first words after entering and examining Resurrected Guy are: > [@](#): > > Melisandre: How many times has the Lord brought him back? > Priest guy: Six. > Melisandre: That’s not possible. From that first question, she is at least aware that resurrection is some power the Lord of Light is said to possess. Maybe she’s never seen it before, and her wondrous examination of Resurrected Guy leans toward that being the case, but she is previously aware of it and now wonders if it’s really true from what she’s seeing, but the multiple scars from fatal wounds on Resurrected Guy prompt her to jump to the how many times question. Then when she gets her answer and replies, “That’s not possible,” her incredulity is somewhat directed at both points. She wasn’t sure the tales of resurrection were true at all, but she sure as shit didn’t think it would be possible for it to happen six times to the same guy. So if I were to guess, I would say it’s about 25% incredulity at any resurrection (“wow, I wasn’t sure those resurrection stories were actually true”) and 75% incredulity at the number of times (“whoa, no way! not six times!”), but some incredulity at both just the same. ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/219 "2016-04-27T18:45:07Z")
We may have seen the last of Milisandre. She’s always felt there has to be a sacrifice in order to receive a favor from the Lord of Light. As I mentioned before, she may be the sacrifice. Somehow I doubt she ever goes to bed as an old woman. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950/220 "2016-04-27T18:58:09Z")
> [@Doyle](#): > > We may have seen the last of Milisandre. She’s always felt there has to be a sacrifice in order to receive a favor from the Lord of Light. As I mentioned before, she may be the sacrifice. Somehow I doubt she ever goes to bed as an old woman. I doubt that’s the case. If she’s going to sacrifice herself, it won’t be so ambiguous as simply climbing into bed and dying with no apparent affect on anything. I’m not ruling out the possibility that raising Jon drains her of power or life, but the link will be clear. I’m sure we’ll see her next week (assuming the episode goes to the Wall next week). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-01-the-red-woman-4-24-2016-show-discussion/752950.md?page=12)