# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/181 "2016-05-03T04:42:26Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > And now you’ve been exposed to the meme. It’s caught up with you, or you with it. Gee, great. I do love getting spoiled for movies that aren’t legally available for streaming, rental, download or cable yet just because it’s a “meme.” I put that in scare quotes because I haven’t seen it anywhere else; only in this completely unrelated thread. So I’m skeptical of its ubiquity. It should have been put in a spoiler box. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/182 "2016-05-03T04:43:09Z")
You’re right I just checked it again, the entry point was quite close to the armpit and there was a double movement by Ramsay, the initial thrust then an upward thrust. So going in between the ribs and then thrusting into the heart was plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/183 "2016-05-03T04:47:45Z")
I’ve read, in credible places - accounts of Special Forces training, for example - that a knife to the kidney does result in instant and usually silent death. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650313) is an SDMB thread that discusses the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/184 "2016-05-03T04:51:06Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Gee, great. I do love getting spoiled for movies that aren’t legally available for streaming, rental, download or cable yet just because it’s a “meme.” I put that in scare quotes because I haven’t seen it anywhere else; only in this completely unrelated thread. So I’m skeptical of its ubiquity. > > It should have been put in a spoiler box. Here we go again. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/185 "2016-05-03T04:55:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Really? I would have thought that the Old Gods were animism, It is basically animism. It’s not paganism, since it doesn’t recognize a pantheon of gods, but rather innumerable spirits of every rock and tree. [QUOTE=Sam Stone] the Seven has parallels to pantheistic religions where there were different Gods for different aspects of life, [/QUOTE] As described in GoT, like Christianity it is technically monotheistic, with seven “aspects” of a single god, parallel to the Trinity in Christianity, where there are three aspects of a single god. It does, however, lack a Redeemer figure as in Christianity. [QUOTE=Sam Stone] and the Lord of Light always seemed to me to be a direct allusion to Christianity. It’s the monotheistic religion of ‘light’, complete with resurrection powers. I have heard Christians in the past describe God as “The Lord of Light” as compared to Satan, the King of Darkness. [/QUOTE] No, it’s not monotheistic but dualistic, like Zoroastrianism. From the Wiki: > [@](#): > > The religion of the Lord of Light is centered on belief in the existence of two deities, in the words of Melisandre: “A god of light and love and joy, and a god of darkness, evil, and fear, eternally at war.”[2] R’hllor is the god of fire, which provides light, heat, and life, and struggles against darkness, cold, and death, represented by an opposing deity, the Great Other.[3] > [@Sam Stone](#): > > Have we seen any examples of the power of the Seven? We know the old gods exist(ed), and have seen their power. We’ve seen the power of the faceless men, and of the Lord of Light. But I can’t recall ever seeing a clue that the ‘Seven’ exist. Did I miss it? Or are we supposed to believe that they are false Gods? I can’t recall a supernatural result produced by calling on the Seven. However, that does not mean the Seven is a false god. As **Ascenray** has said, Martin’s religions have parallels to religions in our world but are not intended to represent any specific religion. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/186 "2016-05-03T05:27:52Z")
An appalling number of characters at this point have died at the hands of (or with the complicity of) relatives either by blood or marriage (of course several marriages were for a matter of hours), especially since kinslaying is regarded as a particularly heinous crime. Viserys Targaryon (brother-in-law) Robert Baratheon (wife’s cousin) Renly Baratheon (brother) Joffrey Baratheon (grandmother-in-law) Shireen Baratheon (father and mother) Robb Stark (uncle’s father-in-law) Catelyn Stark (brother’s father-in-law) Joyeuse Frey (son-in-law’s sister) Alton Lannister (cousin) Tywin Lannister (son) Lysa Arryn (husband) Balon Greyjoy (brother) Doran Martell (brother’s babymama) Trystane Martell (cousins) Roose Bolton (son) Walda Bolton (stepson) Roose Bolton Jr. (half-brother) I’ve probably overlooked a couple. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/187 "2016-05-03T05:51:37Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > An appalling number of characters at this point have died at the hands of (or with the complicity of) relatives either by blood or marriage (of course several marriages were for a matter of hours), especially since kinslaying is regarded as a particularly heinous crime. Of course, the nobility is intertwined enough that every killing of one nobleman/woman by another is likely to have them at least be as closely related as somebody is to their uncle’s father-in-law, e.g. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/188 "2016-05-03T09:34:13Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I thought he stabbed him under the ribcage, with an upward thrust to reach the heart. Sometimes with this method you’ll see the stabber not just stab, but then push hard on the hilt to drive the blade up as far as possible. > > I have no idea if it’s a valid technique. It’s been ages since I had to stab a traitor. its not shown going in, but you see him pull the knife out. When he pulls it out it comes out like it was a stomach thrust, but its also in a spot (under the rib cage, near center) that could easily reach the heart. If anyone in this show knows how to find the heart with a knife thrust it would be Ramsey. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/189 "2016-05-03T10:31:51Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > An appalling number of characters at this point have died at the hands of (or with the complicity of) relatives either by blood or marriage (of course several marriages were for a matter of hours), especially since kinslaying is regarded as a particularly heinous crime. Yes; I’m especially looking forward to Ser Robert Strong (formerly Gregor Clegane) getting killed by his brother. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/190 "2016-05-03T11:54:39Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Yes; I’m especially looking forward to Ser Robert Strong (formerly Gregor Clegane) getting killed by his brother. Rekilled. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/191 "2016-05-03T12:08:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > An appalling number of characters at this point have died at the hands of (or with the complicity of) relatives either by blood or marriage (of course several marriages were for a matter of hours), especially since kinslaying is regarded as a particularly heinous crime. Is killing kin regarded as a particularly heinous crime in the show? It doesn’t seem like it considering how common it is, how little people comment about it, and how few people are punished for it. I don’t recall it being talked about very much either, but maybe I’m just not remembering it. Tyrion is the only one I recall that faced a trial and punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/192 "2016-05-03T12:23:04Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Really? This is the first I’ve heard that Han Solo dies, anywhere. > [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > And now you’ve been exposed to the meme. It’s caught up with you, or you with it. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think it might’ve been cooler if Ramsay had stabbed Roose, but it didn’t penetrate Roose’s chainmail, which he wore because he was savvy enough to anticipate the attempt. Then there’s a struggle, and Roose actually gets the better of Ramsay… at which point the new Lord Karstark kills Roose to seal their The Dicks In The North alliance. It would’ve been more dramatic, made Roose seem more competant, added a sad note that the father, even after legitimizing his son, was always that wary of them, and then made a much more dramatic reveal of the Ramsay/Karstark alliance. Would’ve only taken an extra 40 seconds of screen time but would’ve given the scene much more impact I think. It was pretty perfunctory as it was. As a mod: I have edited all of your posts to include a spoiler box since it has (or quotes) in them something that is a pretty huge spoiler. Please do not post or quote things like this unless they are spoiled or unless the title has “spoilers” somewhere in the title. As this thread wasn’t even about Star Wars, I wouldn’t expect a spoiler warning in the title, but the same sort of common sense rules apply when dealing with a large reveal from a movie that is still fairly new and that not many have seen yet. As a poster: I have not yet seen the movie in question and now it’s spoiled for me. Sucks to be a mod sometimes, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/193 "2016-05-03T13:18:54Z")
I wonder if the Freys will want an investigation. They’ll probably at least want their dowry (Walda’s weight in silver) back. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/194 "2016-05-03T13:28:48Z")
I’ve been thinking about how to respond to this and I can’t come up with anything other than “sorry,” and that its rather an irony since the exact same thing happened to me on these boards just s couple of months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/195 "2016-05-03T14:18:42Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I have heard Christians in the past describe God as “The Lord of Light” as compared to Satan, the King of Darkness. Nitpick; the title “Angel of Light” refers to Lucifer, aka Satan (II Corinthians 11:14), and believers are sometimes referred to as “children of light” (cf. Luke 16:8, John 12:36, Ephesians 5:8); but I know of no Biblical reference that refers to God as “The Lord of Light.” Which is not to say that there are no Christians who may have (confusingly, IMO) appropriated the term to describe God. And of course, although Satan is called the Angel of Light in scripture, in popular culture and tradition he has also long been known as the Prince of Darkness despite that term not appearing in the bible (to my knowledge). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/196 "2016-05-03T14:23:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So, the Old Gods are like pre-Christian European pagan religions, the Faith of the Seven is like institutional Christianity, the sparrows are like Lutherans, or Methodists, or Calvinists, or Puritans (some kind of popular reformist movement), and the God of Light is a foreign monotheistic proselytizing religion, with elements of Millennialist Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Zoroastrianism. The High Sparrow reminded me of [Girolamo Savonarola](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Savonarola), a priest during the Renaissance who preached against the excesses of the nobles and destroyed secular art. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/197 "2016-05-03T14:36:50Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Gee, great. I do love getting spoiled for movies that aren’t legally available for streaming, rental, download or cable yet just because it’s a “meme.” I put that in scare quotes because I haven’t seen it anywhere else; only in this completely unrelated thread. So I’m skeptical of its ubiquity. > > It should have been put in a spoiler box. I’m not saying you are wrong, but positing you are right, it seems to me it’s very tough to remain ‘unsullied’ for so long. My casual unfocused viewing of the internet in the last 4 months has exposed me to multiple spoilers of that movie scene. It would be an interesting thread topic (which I’m sure has been done) on what’s a reasonable amount of time to be able to remain unspoiled about such a blockbuster in our culture. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/198 "2016-05-03T14:51:06Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Ramsay isn’t what you’d call a character of great nuance, is he? He and Joffrey are both so thoroughly evil that they were disappointing among all the many complex characters. With the death of Roose, Tywin, and to some extent Stannis, there’s a dearth of rational, yet calculating antagonists on this show. Hopefully someone new steps up, because those characters were a lot more fun to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/199 "2016-05-03T14:51:32Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The High Sparrow reminded me of [Girolamo Savonarola](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Savonarola), a priest during the Renaissance who preached against the excesses of the nobles and destroyed secular art. Yes! Exactly the one who was not coming to the top of my tongue. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/200 "2016-05-03T14:59:10Z")
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