# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/261 "2016-05-04T02:02:47Z")
A while back someone asked (maybe in the previous ep thread) if there was a significance to the man putting a square coin in Arya’s begging bowl. When they elected the Nightwatch commander they used metal tokens (coins) of various shapeds with holes in them to vote. Weren’t the ones cast for Jon square? Of course I may not be remembering right. And it wouldn’t necessarily mean anything even if so. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/262 "2016-05-04T02:14:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Will Arya get to kill anyone else on her death list? She killed Polliver and Meryn Trent, but there are only three others left (assuming the Hound is dead): Cersei, Walder Frey and the Mountain. I wonder if any of them will last long enough for her to catch up with them. Well here’s the thing, if a girl is really going to complete her training and become nobody then a girl will not have any desire to kill those people anymore. Arya had a kill list, a girl only kills as directed to by the many faced god, not for personal reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/263 "2016-05-04T02:22:20Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Well here’s the thing, if a girl is really going to complete her training and become nobody then a girl will not have any desire to kill those people anymore. Arya had a kill list, a girl only kills as directed to by the many faced god, not for personal reasons. Yeahbut a girl still has Needle hidden under a stone. A girl would do as the many-faced god asks. Arya would go along with what the many-faced god asks. We have yet to see if all we have is a girl and not Arya. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/264 "2016-05-04T03:09:12Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Maester Luwin. Maesters are attached to a particular castle rather than to a family, so Luwin was forced to serve Theon once he took over Winterfell. Luwin was stabbed by Dagmer, one of the Ironborn, after they had knocked Theon out, so that’s one murder Theon wasn’t responsible for (at least not directly). Speaking of maesters did Jon release Sam from his Night’s Watch vow so he could go to the Citadel & train as a maester or his Sam still a member of the Night’s Watch who’s assignment is to train as a maester for Castle Black? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/265 "2016-05-04T03:17:51Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Speaking of maesters did Jon release Sam from his Night’s Watch vow so he could go to the Citadel & train as a maester or his Sam still a member of the Night’s Watch who’s assignment is to train as a maester for Castle Black? 😕 I don’t think Jon or anyone else has the authority to release Sam of his vow to the Night’s Watch. Remember, there are members who travel around the Seven Kingdoms and elsewhere in service to the Watch. The previous maester at Castle Black was also a member of the Watch. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/266 "2016-05-04T03:39:11Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Speaking of maesters did Jon release Sam from his Night’s Watch vow so he could go to the Citadel & train as a maester or his Sam still a member of the Night’s Watch who’s assignment is to train as a maester for Castle Black? 😕 No, Jon doesn’t have that authority. He assigned Sam to train as a maester while still being a part of the Night’s Watch. Castle Black like other castles should have a maester but lacks one after the death of Maester Aemon. (However, Aemon was a maester first before joining the Night’s Watch after his younger brother took the throne.) Note that maesters, like the Night’s Watch, also take a vow of celibacy, which I believe Jon mentions to Sam with respect to Gilly. Sam’s response is something like “Too late!”😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/267 "2016-05-04T04:57:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m extremely worried that the “gift” that it looks like the Umbers _(apostrophe removed from plural)_ are presenting Ramsay is going to be Rickon. Negative - that’s the Karstark lord offering a gift. We haven’t seen any Umbers since season two at the latest. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/268 "2016-05-04T05:12:00Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Negative - that’s the Karstark lord offering a gift. We haven’t seen any Umbers since season two at the latest. No, I didn’t think so, but I assumed that since people were talking about a gift for Ramsay that I must have missed that line, so I rewatched that scene. No one says anything about a gift. That’s the only scene in this episode that Ramsay appears in. Where are people getting this talk of a gift for Ramsay from? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/269 "2016-05-04T05:30:32Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Yeahbut a girl still has Needle hidden under a stone. A girl would do as the many-faced god asks. Arya would go along with what the many-faced god asks. We have yet to see if all we have is a girl and not Arya. A girl will have to face a choice in the future. To get the powers she needs to complete her deathlist she must give up the desire to carry out her death list. Arya has little hope of killing Cersei on her own, and a girl will have no desire to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/270 "2016-05-04T07:09:21Z")
A girl was told by a man that she could kill those on her list in the service of the red god back when she was Arya and he was Jaquen. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/271 "2016-05-04T07:13:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Yeahbut a girl still has Needle hidden under a stone. A girl would do as the many-faced god asks. Arya would go along with what the many-faced god asks. We have yet to see if all we have is a girl and not Arya. I’d love to hear him order a meal at MacDonalds. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/272 "2016-05-04T09:51:07Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > No, I didn’t think so, but I assumed that since people were talking about a gift for Ramsay that I must have missed that line, so I rewatched that scene. > > No one says anything about a gift. That’s the only scene in this episode that Ramsay appears in. Where are people getting this talk of a gift for Ramsay from? Maybe it’s the episode description released by HBO. I think it says that Ramsay gets a gift. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/273 "2016-05-04T11:07:08Z")
It’s in the preview for next week’s episode. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/274 "2016-05-04T11:14:42Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > No, I didn’t think so, but I assumed that since people were talking about a gift for Ramsay that I must have missed that line, so I rewatched that scene. > > No one says anything about a gift. That’s the only scene in this episode that Ramsay appears in. Where are people getting this talk of a gift for Ramsay from? It’s from the next episode preview. > [@Critical1](#): > > A girl was told by a man that she could kill those on her list in the service of the red god back when she was Arya and he was Jaquen. Indeed. A SDMB poster saw that recently when he rewatched older scenes, and a poster noticed that it seemed to contradict what a girl is being taught at the house of black and white. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/275 "2016-05-04T11:55:40Z")
I was disappointed in Jon Snow’s revival only in as much as _everybody_ expected Melisandre to bring him back. If this show has been good at anything its been subverting convention and surprising me. What I _thought_ was going to happen. Big Red Viking Wildling said he was going to have his men get wood for Jon’s pyre. Melisandre would say the words, and Jon would be dead, and everybody would have lost hope. Episode 3L Jon is burning in the fire, and everybody will be completely hopeless. But WAIT-- Jon doesn’t die in the fire. R+L=J is real! Like Dany in season one… she should have died, but came out with dragons. Jon should have burnt to ash, but comes out alive. Was it Melisandre? Was it the flames? Was it some combination? Nobody knows for sure. What we do know is that Melisandre gets a lesson about the true nature of light and fire… and Jon is back (and the fans get the first direct evidence that R+L=J is for sure a thing). Also- am I the only one- when I heard the guy on the bridge… “Hello brutha” expect the actor to be Desmond from Lost? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/276 "2016-05-04T12:06:41Z")
[See Jon not being immune to fire.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI&t=2m5s) ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/277 "2016-05-04T12:12:15Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > A girl was told by a man that she could kill those on her list in the service of the red god back when she was Arya and he was Jaquen. He was never Jaquen, that was a necessary lie. A man could also have lied to Arya, to convince her to become a girl. A man seems to be quite clear now that only killing as ordered by the red god is allowed, personal vendetta’s are not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/278 "2016-05-04T12:36:21Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > [See Jon not being immune to fire.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI&t=2m5s) You mean… grab a flaming hot lantern, and toss it at a reanimated corpse, then escort out the Lord Commander and not appear to be any the worse for wear for it? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/279 "2016-05-04T13:19:37Z")
> [@The\_Tof](#): > > You mean… grab a flaming hot lantern, and toss it at a reanimated corpse, then escort out the Lord Commander and not appear to be any the worse for wear for it? Other than the sizzling sound of his hand burning and him screaming out in pain, you mean? Pretty sure later in that episode we see him tending to his burned hand. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/280 "2016-05-04T14:11:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Because going back to be Ramsay’s torture-toy makes no sense at all, just like killing Doran and Trystane made no sense at all. Or maybe his plan is to somehow go back and kill Ramsay. That is not a smart plan, but it’s clear that Theon is not the sharpest sword in the armory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=15)