# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/301 "2016-05-04T19:19:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > When Jaqen originally tried to recruit her, he told her that she could go after everyone she wanted. But now apparently she has to give up that and her identity. One of them is a lie, or it’s inconsistent. I don’t see an inconsistency there. It is misleading, but accurate. After training, she will no longer want to go after anyone. And she’s free to go after all none of them. > [@](#): > > The whole storyline seems pretty inconsistent. We’re [led] to believe that they take the faces from people who die from their fountain, but […] clearly that’s not how the face thing works. And then the girl trainer becomes Jaqen without taking his face off the other guy, which suggests that the faces aren’t unique, discrete items either. Yeah, that whole thing definitely appears inconsistent and poorly thought out. I’m holding out hope that it can still be saved by a reveal we haven’t thought of yet. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/302 "2016-05-04T19:22:52Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > No, it was much more of a Hallmark moment than that. > > A woman he raped under her husband’s swinging corpse came back 9 months later with a baby she claimed was his. He almost killed them both for bothering him, but then he looked at the baby and realized it was his. Thanks. I remembered the scene but not what he said. No sympathy for Roose, but I do wonder why the maester and others would do Ramsay’s bidding. The maester could pretty easily dispatch a “killed his dad/stop/send an army/stop/had dogs tear up a baby/stop/he can’t hold the north” ravengram and tell Ramsay it was “Roose got poisoned”. I can’t imagine Ramsay has THAT much loyalty from his men unless he offers them one hell of a dental plan or something. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/303 "2016-05-04T19:25:16Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Ever since they killed Ned I’ve been a little resentful of the explicit mystery surrounding Jon’s mother. They were anything but subtle about pointing out the mystery (“I’ll tell you about your mother when I return…”), then the one guy who has the answers has his head lopped off. Booo! Episode 7 has been out both theatrically and on DVD/Blue ray ample enough time for you to have seen it already if you were really interested, and your angry for someone spoiling it for you. It’s a miracle you haven’t heard the fan speculation on Jon’s mother yet. I’d stay out of GoT threads for a few weeks if I were you because that is likely to be spoiled for you as well. You shouldn’t have to wait long. With what I’ve seen from season 6, I strongly suspect they’re setting up the big reveal soon. > [@Emiliana](#): > > Ramsay says that the Boltons have the Karstarks, the Umbers, and a third family on their side, so it doesn’t matter much of they lose support in the north by attacking the Night’s Watch. After watching that scene a second time, I think Ramsay was just implying that they only needed to win over the big families, not that they already had. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/304 "2016-05-04T19:25:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > hell of a dental plan or something. Would you want to be the first person to tell Ramsay no? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/305 "2016-05-04T19:30:47Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The whole storyline seems pretty inconsistent. We’re lead to believe that they take the faces from people who die from their fountain, but when Jaqen kills himself with poison, she pulls off a series of faces, and one of them is her own. So clearly that’s not how the face thing works. And then the girl trainer becomes Jaqen without taking his face off the other guy, which suggests that the faces aren’t unique, discrete items either. I think it is like the face-shifters from the Dune series. The faces are models for them to use. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/306 "2016-05-04T19:34:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The whole storyline seems pretty inconsistent. We’re lead to believe that they take the faces from people who die from their fountain, but when Jaqen kills himself with poison, she pulls off a series of faces, and one of them is her own. So clearly that’s not how the face thing works. And then the girl trainer becomes Jaqen without taking his face off the other guy, which suggests that the faces aren’t unique, discrete items either. > > I think the story is using the mystical nature to just try to obscure having an internally consistent way of treating that storyline. Maybe for a beginner faceless man like Arya, she has to have the actual face from the big creepy room. For an expert, they’ve learned it well enough that they don’t need the face. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/307 "2016-05-04T19:35:14Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Disagreed. Not every plot has to lead somewhere. No one is safe, no one is necessarily going to play a key role in the Song of Ice and Fire, and narrative blind alleys are effective in keeping us on our toes. Many medieval leaders had great promise but died unexpectedly after all. The degree to which GoT is unpredictable is IMO very much exaggerated. In five seasons, I have yet to see a true narrative blind alley, nor a pointless death of a major character (as surprising as they might have been). We may not see how the plotline will be carried on immediately, but it eventually becomes clear. If what happened were truly random, it would be very poor writing, and the show would not be as popular as it is. GoT kills off more characters in more unexpected ways than more conventional tales, but it still obeys basic dramatic rules. Most characters, even important and well-liked ones, _are_ expendable, and could go at almost any time. However, there is a small handful, about five or six, whose death would render their individual plotlines pointless. They may go at some point, but it won’t happen until their plotline has reached some resolution or connection with the rest of the plot. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/308 "2016-05-04T20:30:41Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > This is what I don’t get about Arya trying to join the faceless men… isn’t the whole point that she wants the power to kill her enemies? But to get that power, she has to give up on killing her enemies. Or is she just playing Jaquen still by claiming to be “no one”? And as soon as she passes all their tests, she plans to go finish off her hit list? I’m sure that Arya, being the smartest character on this show by far, will let us in on her plans when she is good and ready. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/309 "2016-05-04T21:27:23Z")
[Interesting Buzzfeed article on how Bran’s vision closely paralles the first scene of Winterfell in season 1.](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/got-parallels?utm_term=.bw6qerkO8#.gv6Zby5Gk) I especially liked how the sisters upstage the boys both times. And the words spoken by Jon to Olly were the same as was said by Ned to Benjen. Although, how would Jon have known? ---
**Author:** ![Soulcatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Soulcatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soulcatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/310 "2016-05-04T21:41:44Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Thanks. I remembered the scene but not what he said. > No sympathy for Roose, but I do wonder why the maester and others would do Ramsay’s bidding. The maester could pretty easily dispatch a “killed his dad/stop/send an army/stop/had dogs tear up a baby/stop/he can’t hold the north” ravengram and tell Ramsay it was “Roose got poisoned”. I can’t imagine Ramsay has THAT much loyalty from his men unless he offers them one hell of a dental plan or something. Well besides the requirement for maesters to set aside their preferred loyalties to serve the master of the castle, there is the small matter of doublecrossing someone that is notorious for torturing people for months on end. Same goes for his men. Maybe all of them would prefer him gone but who wants to be first to risk their neck…and skin…and other body parts. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/311 "2016-05-04T22:15:34Z")
> [@Soulcatcher](#): > > Well besides the requirement for maesters to set aside their preferred loyalties to serve the master of the castle, there is the small matter of doublecrossing someone that is notorious for torturing people for months on end. Same goes for his men. Maybe all of them would prefer him gone but who wants to be first to risk their neck…and skin…and other body parts. It makes me wonder how badly that maester had to have screwed up to have be given _that_ plum assignment by the Guild! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/312 "2016-05-04T22:30:44Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > And the words spoken by Jon to Olly were the same as was said by Ned to Benjen. Although, how would Jon have known? Benjen or Ned could have said the same thing when training Jon (and Robb). ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/313 "2016-05-05T00:00:53Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I’m sure that Arya, being the smartest character on this show by far Err, no. She’s just a kid, and a bit of an angsty one at that (not that she doesn’t have good reason to be). But that distinction definitely goes to Tyrion. His dad and sister would be pretty high on the list too, as is Varys. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/314 "2016-05-05T00:12:13Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Err, no. She’s just a kid, and a bit of an angsty one at that (not that she doesn’t have good reason to be). But that distinction definitely goes to Tyrion. His dad and sister would be pretty high on the list too, as is Varys. (cough) (Littlefinger) (cough) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/315 "2016-05-05T00:14:00Z")
Cersei is not nearly as smart as Tyrion or Tywin, even if she thinks she is. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/316 "2016-05-05T00:22:23Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > After watching that scene a second time, I think Ramsay was just implying that they only needed to win over the big families, not that they already had. That makes sense. I’m about to watch it a second time myself and will pay a bit closer attention. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/317 "2016-05-05T00:48:53Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Another example I overlooked is Craster’s sacrifice of his sons. Those sons didn’t die. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/318 "2016-05-05T01:53:33Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > Those sons didn’t die. I don’t think it’s clear whether they become White Walkers, which are alive, or die and become wights. The eyes of Craster’s last son turned blue, but that’s a characteristic of both White Walkers and wights. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/319 "2016-05-05T02:15:47Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I don’t think it’s clear whether they become White Walkers, which are alive, or die and become wights. The eyes of Craster’s last son turned blue, but that’s a characteristic of both White Walkers and wights. Seems super inefficient to travel for hundreds of miles to create white baby. Which also seems useless. I think that scene was supposed to be unambiguous that the Night’s King was creating another white walker. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/320 "2016-05-05T03:44:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cersei is not nearly as smart as Tyrion or Tywin, even if she thinks she is. Yeah, I’d agree with that. She’s certainly not a dummy though. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (cough) (Littlefinger) (cough) Forgot about old 'finger, but yeah he’d be on there as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=17)