# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/321 "2016-05-05T04:33:15Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Episode 7 has been out both theatrically and on DVD/Blue ray ample enough time for you to have seen it already if you were really interested, and your angry for someone spoiling it for you. No, I was angry because when it was pointed out that unboxed Star Wars spoilers don’t belong in Game of Thrones threads, the response I got was essentially “Suck it up, Nancy.” Which seems to be your response as well. Both they and you are clearly in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/322 "2016-05-05T05:05:35Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Seems super inefficient to travel for hundreds of miles to create white baby. Which also seems useless. > > I think that scene was supposed to be unambiguous that the Night’s King was creating another white walker. You’re probably right, but even if alive a White Walker would no longer be human. (In any case, Craster doesn’t know what happens to his sons and probably assumes they die.) It would probably be regarded as equivalent to kinslaying and probably worse. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/323 "2016-05-05T05:12:08Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > No, I was angry because when it was pointed out that unboxed Star Wars spoilers don’t belong in Game of Thrones threads, the response I got was essentially “Suck it up, Nancy.” Which seems to be your response as well. Both they and you are clearly in the wrong. I have no idea how you have survived this long without knowing about Han Solo dying. The general plot outline of TFA has become part of mainstream pop culture and is referenced in many many places. I do think it’s pretty unreasonable for you to expect people to not spoil major pop cultural releases more than three months after release. Generally anyone that cares has seen it by then and the people that don’t care about the franchise generally don’t care if they get spoiled. [Moderator Note: I have spoilered **coremelt’s** reply because he gratuitously posted the same spoiler as previously. -Colibri] ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/324 "2016-05-05T05:12:28Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Episode 7 has been out both theatrically and on DVD/Blue ray ample enough time for you to have seen it already if you were really interested, and your angry for someone spoiling it for you. This is a totally bogus excuse for spoiling something. > [@](#): > > It’s a miracle you haven’t heard the fan speculation on Jon’s mother yet. I’d stay out of GoT threads for a few weeks if I were you because that is likely to be spoiled for you as well. You shouldn’t have to wait long. With what I’ve seen from season 6, I strongly suspect they’re setting up the big reveal soon. I fail to see how the possibility of seeing speculation about GoT (which doesn’t constitute a spoiler, since no one actually knows) in a GoT thread has anything to do with spoilers about an entirely unrelated movie. I just finished watching season 5 of GoT three weeks ago. I successfully avoided learning about all major GoT spoilers over the past five years because I carefully avoided reading any articles or threads about the show. Claiming that spoilers are inevitable is untrue. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/325 "2016-05-05T05:17:40Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I have no idea how you have survived this long without knowing about Han Solo dying. The general plot outline of TFA has become part of mainstream pop culture and is referenced in many many places. I do think it’s pretty unreasonable for you to expect people to not spoil major pop cultural releases more than three months after release. Generally anyone that cares has seen it by then and the people that don’t care about the franchise generally don’t care if they get spoiled. **Moderator Note** **coremelt** , after all the discussion about not posting spoilers, and having mod have to go in an put spoiler boxes in previous posts, you come in and _post the exact same spoiler again_. It should be clear to you that this is upsetting to many people. I’m making this a note because it’s not my forum, but I think you should receive a warning for being a jerk. I’ll leave it to the forum moderators to decide whether to upgrade this to a warning. Colibri Moderator ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/326 "2016-05-05T05:49:01Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I have no idea how you have survived this long without knowing aboutHan Solo dying. Quite easily. Until this thread, of course. I simply avoid articles and discussions about the movie I don’t want spoiled. Several people in this very thread were in the same position as me, having easily avoided that particular spoiler until this thread. You not being able to understand it is irrelevant. > [@](#): > > The general plot outline of TFA has become part of mainstream pop culture and is referenced in many many places. I do think it’s pretty unreasonable for you to expect people to not spoil major pop cultural releases more than three months after release. Generally anyone that cares has seen it by then and the people that don’t care about the franchise generally don’t care if they get spoiled. And you are wrong. It is against board policy to drop open spoilers in unrelated threads. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/327 "2016-05-05T05:58:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Moderator Note** > > **coremelt** , after all the discussion about not posting spoilers, and having mod have to go in an put spoiler boxes in previous posts, you come in and _post the exact same spoiler again_. It should be clear to you that this is upsetting to many people. I’m making this a note because it’s not my forum, but I think you should receive a warning for being a jerk. I’ll leave it to the forum moderators to decide whether to upgrade this to a warning. > > Colibri > Moderator Ok I didn’t know this was against board policy. Sorry and won’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/328 "2016-05-05T06:10:23Z")
What is it about Game of Thrones and spoilers? It seems we finally got the ‘only the TV show exists’ thing right and now there’s some totally out of left field spoiler crap from a totally different media roiling around. Hey, you know what? The winner gets stoned to death! ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/329 "2016-05-05T06:52:49Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > What is it about Game of Thrones and spoilers? It seems we finally got the ‘only the TV show exists’ thing right and now there’s some totally out of left field spoiler crap from a totally different media roiling around. > > Hey, you know what? The winner gets stoned to death! Bah! I hate opiate overdoses, Stupid war on drugs ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/330 "2016-05-05T14:07:29Z")
Stray thought: depending on how big the, er, native population of white walkers was, adding a bunch of Craster’s sons might have severely skewed the male/female ration. And supposedly there was that old Commander of the Night watch who married a white walker. And there’s speculation that the finale of the series will involve a new truce between the humans and the white walkers. And truces in Westerosi society seem to be reinforced by marriages. So… I prediction the finale will be The White Wedding! Danny with the King of the white walkers, Fire and Ice, right? Do I win for weirdest prediction yet? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/331 "2016-05-05T14:16:16Z")
Perhaps that will happen (Dany marrying the king of the White Walkers). My completely random speculation; the dragon fire burns the White Walkers, leaving the humans underneath intact and still alive. Meanwhile the wights return to being corpses. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/332 "2016-05-05T14:29:04Z")
Is the mechanism by which dead humans turn into wights established yet? Is it merely the presence of white walkers nearby that causes it? Theoretically, there must be a geographic demarcation line above which they do, and below which they don’t. Also, since the series appears to be moving in this direction, was it ever revealed whether Lyanna was abducted by Rhaegar, or whether she voluntarily ran off with him? I know that there are parallels between Arya and Lyanna, but could there also be any between Sansa and Lyanna (in terms of wanting to be queen)? After all, Sansa would have been happy to run off with Joffrey in Season 1… Until she found out what he was really about. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/333 "2016-05-05T14:32:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Will Arya get to kill anyone else on her death list? She killed Polliver and Meryn Trent, but there are only three others left (assuming the Hound is dead): Cersei, Walder Frey and the Mountain. I wonder if any of them will last long enough for her to catch up with them. That’s a good question. We haven’t heard her recite her little list in quite awhile. > [@Manduck](#): > > Well, he does still have all those stab wounds. Heh. My son and I wondered if he’d immediately bleed out again once he sat up. > [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t think Jon or anyone else has the authority to release Sam of his vow to the Night’s Watch. Remember, there are members who travel around the Seven Kingdoms and elsewhere in service to the Watch. The previous maester at Castle Black was also a member of the Watch. Didn’t Stannis offer to release Jon from his vows and/or pardon him, using his royal prerogative, so that Jon could rally the North and help him take back Winterfell? > [@zimaane](#): > > …Didn’t Varys have the guy who castrated him as a prisoner back in the Red Keep? What ever happened to him? Last we saw, Varys had him in a sealed trunk and had introduced him to Tyrion. Payback, it was implied, was going to be a _bitch_. > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > …the finale will be The White Wedding! Danny with the King of the white walkers, Fire and Ice, right?.. And I know just what the DJ will be playing at the reception: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLjE-2\_Luaw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLjE-2_Luaw) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/334 "2016-05-05T15:11:11Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And I know just what the DJ will be playing at the reception: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLjE-2\_Luaw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLjE-2_Luaw) Sung by the wight Viserys Targaryen. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/335 "2016-05-05T15:22:52Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Is the mechanism by which dead humans turn into wights established yet? Is it merely the presence of white walkers nearby that causes it? Theoretically, there must be a geographic demarcation line above which they do, and below which they don’t. At Hardhome, the White Walker king just gestured and those who had been killed a few minutes before rose up. On the other hand, dead Rangers at Castle Black have risen without Walkers (apparently) having been within dozens of miles. I _think_ the closest we have seen a Walker to Castle Black has been near Craster’s Keep (after Sam and Gilly escape), which according to the Wiki is about 60 miles north. (This also raises the question of how the wildling horde missed running in to Walkers on their way from their encampment to the Wall, since they pass the Fist of the First Men where the wight army wiped out most of Mormonts command. Where did the wight army go?) > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Didn’t Stannis offer to release Jon from his vows and/or pardon him, using his royal prerogative, so that Jon could rally the North and help him take back Winterfell? Stannis offered to legitimize Jon, which is within the king’s powers. Jon refused because of his oath. I don’t think a King can release a member of the Watch from his oath, since they are not under the jurisdiction of the King. I would guess only the Watch can do that (which apparently has been done before in the case of an only surviving heir). ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/336 "2016-05-05T16:34:24Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > …I _think_ the closest we have seen a Walker to Castle Black has been near Craster’s Keep (after Sam and Gilly escape), which according to the Wiki is about 60 miles north… I just thought of the very first scene of Season 1 with the Night’s Watch scouts being assaulted by the White Walker (with the girl’s face and ritualistic set up) and the 1 deserter who was executed by Ned. Wasn’t that closer than Craster’s? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/337 "2016-05-05T16:51:30Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I just thought of the very first scene of Season 1 with the Night’s Watch scouts being assaulted by the White Walker (with the girl’s face and ritualistic set up) and the 1 deserter who was executed by Ned. Wasn’t that closer than Craster’s? It’s not clear where that was, other than within the Haunted Forest. It might have been closer than Craster’s Keep, or not. But if it were closer than Craster’s, why didn’t Mormont’s party encounter any White Walkers on their way there? Then there are the wights that attack Bran’s party as they approach the tree of the Three-eyed Raven. They have been dead for a very long time and have been frozen in the ice. So just being dead north of the wall doesn’t revive you as a wight. There weren’t any White Walkers in evidence when the wights suddenly revived. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/338 "2016-05-05T17:08:47Z")
Interesting theory posited on reddit: As we now know, Hodor used to be a stable boy named Willis (sp?), who could talk just fine. The theory is that Willis was a warg, and warged into a horse, and then the horse got killed, or maybe the horse’s brain ended up back in Willis’s body, or something. Him having a brain mixed up with a horse in some fashion would explain why he was happy to carry Bran around, didn’t really talk, and panicked during a storm. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/339 "2016-05-05T17:12:56Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > As we now know, Hodor used to be a stable boy named Willis (sp?), Wiki spells it Wylis. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/340 "2016-05-05T19:36:50Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Interesting theory posited on reddit: > > As we now know, Hodor used to be a stable boy named Willis (sp?), who could talk just fine. The theory is that Willis was a warg, and warged into a horse, and then the horse got killed, or maybe the horse’s brain ended up back in Willis’s body, or something. Him having a brain mixed up with a horse in some fashion would explain why he was happy to carry Bran around, didn’t really talk, and panicked during a storm. Oh I like that… One thing (I think mentioned it before) that bugs me about Sam going to become a Maester in order to help Jon against the Others…its takes TIME to become a Maester and Sam knows they don’t have much time. Jon doesn’t need a wise Maester a decade from now… he needs one yesterday.I don’t know why they didn’t explain that Sam was going to go to the Citadel in order to recruit a new Maester who maybe already knows about magic, white walkers, dragonglass, etc. Youtuber Preston Jacobs talks a bit about this in the Q&A for the latest episode, the logic in the show doesn’t flow. Things happen because…TV! and there’s no reason to look for nuance in the actions because there is none. The Zombie Mountain killing that dude pissing is cool… but WHY is that even in there? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=18)