# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/341 "2016-05-05T19:53:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cersei is not nearly as smart as Tyrion or Tywin, even if she thinks she is. As you say, Cersei THINKS she’s a lot smarter than she is. She assumed the Sparrows were cynical opportunists like herself, rather than True Believers. That’s why she was completely unprepared for the chief Sparrow’s betrayal. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/342 "2016-05-05T20:00:56Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > … The Zombie Mountain killing that dude pissing is cool… but WHY is that even in there? While I agree that the show’s plot has some holes, I think the scene to which you refer does a have purpose: to show that Cersei is now exacting revenge on the people that humiliated her, and perhaps that she’s recruited some spies amongst the people. I assume that the pissing guy wouldn’t have said all that in front of the Mountain so someone may have ratted him out. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/343 "2016-05-05T20:01:25Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > As you say, Cersei THINKS she’s a lot smarter than she is. She assumed the Sparrows were cynical opportunists like herself, rather than True Believers. That’s why she was completely unprepared for the chief Sparrow’s betrayal. Cersei is like Ramsay and Theon, unable to see the long game. They each only see a move or two ahead, and can’t project themselves into their opponents (or allies) position to figure out what they will do next. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/344 "2016-05-05T20:07:49Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > At Hardhome, the White Walker king just gestured and those who had been killed a few minutes before rose up. On the other hand, dead Rangers at Castle Black have risen without Walkers (apparently) having been within dozens of miles. The dead rangers at castle black were found close to the wall, somewhere they clearly they did not die. They could have simply been raised by a White Walker then walked there and played dead. Which actually makes more sense than going far from the wall then dying after almost making it back. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/345 "2016-05-05T20:15:40Z")
Sam also pointed out they had been dead a long time and there was no smell of decay. That all points to them having died a while before they were found, which would not have happened close to the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/346 "2016-05-05T20:17:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Then there are the wights that attack Bran’s party as they approach the tree of the Three-eyed Raven. They have been dead for a very long time and have been frozen in the ice. So just being dead north of the wall doesn’t revive you as a wight. There weren’t any White Walkers in evidence when the wights suddenly revived. It might be that they didn’t revive just then, but were created long ago and just waited outside. You’d hope the 3 eyed crow would have tried to warn Bran if that was the case though. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/347 "2016-05-05T20:18:03Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I have no idea how you have survived this long without knowing about Han Solo dying. The general plot outline of TFA has become part of mainstream pop culture and is referenced in many many places. I do think it’s pretty unreasonable for you to expect people to not spoil major pop cultural releases more than three months after release. Generally anyone that cares has seen it by then and the people that don’t care about the franchise generally don’t care if they get spoiled. > [@coremelt](#): > > Ok I didn’t know this was against board policy. Sorry and won’t do it again. It seems to me to be something that should be extremely obvious not to do. Warning issued for “being a jerk”. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/348 "2016-05-05T20:24:53Z")
> [@Soulcatcher](#): > > … there is the small matter of doublecrossing someone that is notorious for torturing people for months on end… On a side note…I was pondering the possibility of starting the whole thing over from the beginning (for instance, on behalf of my wife who’s never seen any of it). It occurred to me that if I were to do so, I could fast forward through all the scenes of Ramsay torturing Theon. I’d save about 12 hours of time (and a good deal of my faith in humanity) and not have missed a thing. ---
**Author:** ![No\_Me\_Ayudes\_Compadre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/no_me_ayudes_compadre/32/5224_2.png) [@No\_Me\_Ayudes\_Compadre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/No_Me_Ayudes_Compadre)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/349 "2016-05-05T21:54:44Z")
I suspect it’s too obvious to be true, but it struck me that Wyllis is similar to Wylla, who “so they say” bore John Snow. Might Hodor have something to do with whatever the the X+X=J story turns out to be? (I have no idea if that sort of name game is something that GRRM or the GOT writers would normally do.) I assumed that the new Lord Karstark is playing long-game against the Boltons. He found the party that was to bring Sansa back, so he knew that the the air of legitimacy intended by marrying her to Ramsay was lost, and that the Bolton claim as lord paramount of the North was made vulnerable by Sansa’s escape. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/350 "2016-05-05T22:16:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They could have simply been raised by a White Walker then walked there and played dead. Which actually makes more sense than going far from the wall then dying after almost making it back. Wights don’t strike me as having enough brain power left to play possum under their own volition. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > It might be that they didn’t revive just then, but were created long ago and just waited outside. You’d hope the 3 eyed crow would have tried to warn Bran if that was the case though. Maybe if wights aren’t under the direct influence of a White Walker they go dormant until they sense people around. However, the rangers didn’t (re-)revive for hours or days after people had found them, while Bran’s attackers revived almost instantly. Actually, I suspect the behavior of wights has more to do with the demands of the plot rather than logic or consistency.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/351 "2016-05-05T23:16:41Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It occurred to me that if I were to do so, I could fast forward through all the scenes of Ramsay torturing Theon. I’d save about 12 hours of time (and a good deal of my faith in humanity) and not have missed a thing. Yeah, hyperbole of the year award here. More like 12 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/352 "2016-05-05T23:23:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Wights don’t strike me as having enough brain power left to play possum under their own volition. > > Maybe if wights aren’t under the direct influence of a White Walker they go dormant until they sense people around. However, the rangers didn’t (re-)revive for hours or days after people had found them, while Bran’s attackers revived almost instantly. > > Actually, I suspect the behavior of wights has more to do with the demands of the plot rather than logic or consistency.😉 I would suggest that reviving in the presence of people and animating for the first time (as I presume the wight that attacked Jon/Jeor did) are two different things. However, yes, the show is more interesting in drama than consistency. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/353 "2016-05-06T00:47:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It occurred to me that if I were to do so, I could fast forward through all the scenes of Ramsay torturing Theon. I’d save about 12 hours of time (and a good deal of my faith in humanity) and not have missed a thing. Or watch them all together while the Itchy and Scratchy Show theme played. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/354 "2016-05-06T00:56:29Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Yeah, hyperbole of the year award here. More like 12 seconds. Ramsay had 20:59 of screentime [in season five](http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/133064-official-season-5-character-screentime/) (good for 11th highest character that season) and 27:38 for seasons 3 & 4 combined. Most of the latter was Theon torture time wasn’t it? We were treated to pretty much an entire episode worth of Ramsay in seasons 1-5 and now season 6 seems to give us even more! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/355 "2016-05-06T01:17:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The degree to which GoT is unpredictable is IMO very much exaggerated. In five seasons, I have yet to see a true narrative blind alley, nor a pointless death of a major character (as surprising as they might have been). Right, the issue is not that GoT kills characters randomly. It’s that GoT doesn’t _save_ characters when the story is better served by their deaths. Most other popular series will always try to find a way to save the “hero” or a popular character, regardless of what the story really demands. That’s what makes GoT unusual—not random deaths of popular characters; rather lack of random saving of popular characters. Jon Snow really needed to be alive to be able to complete certain important aspects of the story. And the revival by the Red Priestess doesn’t come out of a deus ex machina. The basis for Snow’s resurrection is well laid long before it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/356 "2016-05-06T01:18:48Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I would suggest that reviving in the presence of people and animating for the first time (as I presume the wight that attacked Jon/Jeor did) are two different things. **DigitalC** was the one who suggested that the rangers who reanimated in Castle Black to attack Jon/Jeor were reviving for a second time. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/357 "2016-05-06T01:25:33Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Wights don’t strike me as having enough brain power left to play possum under their own volition. Under their own volition, no. Under orders from a white walker, why not? they are smart enough to fight, even use weapons, even when they are down to bones. Playing possum and waiting for an opportune time to attack does not strike me as that far fetched. The ones buried outside the three eyed raven’s tree were doing exactly that weren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/358 "2016-05-06T01:43:33Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Under their own volition, no. Under orders from a white walker, why not? they are smart enough to fight, even use weapons, even when they are down to bones. Playing possum and waiting for an opportune time to attack does not strike me as that far fetched. It seems to me more complex behavior than we’ve seen from wights, even under White Walker control. Wights seem like they are on autopilot and not capable of making judgments on their own. > [@](#): > > The ones buried outside the three eyed raven’s tree were doing exactly that weren’t they? They jumped up automatically as soon as anyone entered the area. They didn’t “wait for an opportune time to attack” as the revived rangers would have. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/359 "2016-05-06T01:50:51Z")
They are smart enough to actually fight, with like actual weapons, against real fighters. This are not Walking Dead zombies. They can handle complex behavior. They were even smart enough to go after the Lord Commander. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/360 "2016-05-06T02:25:06Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > So… I prediction the finale will be The White Wedding! Danny with the King of the white walkers, Fire and Ice, right? I like this idea, but it could also be Jon Snow marrying the Queen of the White Walkers. I will be disappointed if this series ends with Dragons destroying the white walkers with fire and they live happily ever after. I am hoping for something more subtle than that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=19)