# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/381 "2016-05-06T20:59:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Jaime Lannister? He could die. He’s done a lot, and it’s not clear yet what he has left to do other than try to protect what’s left of his family’s power. On the other hand, I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/382 "2016-05-06T21:01:20Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I see what you did there. Man, I wish I could say that was intentional. Alas… Still, funny observation! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/383 "2016-05-06T21:14:26Z")
We’re not that far apart then. While in a certain sense “anything can happen,” in a narrative sense certain characters are much less likely to be eliminated than others, and that doesn’t necessarily correlate with how big a role they have played to date. I just thought that Jon had too many unresolved connections to be eliminated at that point. In any event, it’s a bit moot arguing it since he actually did turn out to be unkillable (at least for time being).😉 On the other hand, just because a character can be eliminated doesn’t mean they will. Stannis’s story reached a logical conclusion, so he could go. But since we didn’t actually see his death, he could turn up again (but I doubt that very much). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/384 "2016-05-06T21:15:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Anyway, getting on with the speculation as to what might happen now: > > It sure would be nice for Tyrion/Daenerys if there was someone out there that had a fleet of ships that could be used to transport their army across the sea. That someone would probably need a pretty good reason for lending that fleet to another group who wanted to use it to crush the Lannisters. > > You know, some organizaation like the Iron Bank of Braavos. The bank that you don’t screw over without dire consequences. The one that lent the Lannisters a whole lot of money that isn’t coming back… > > But you’d have to go to Braavos. I wonder what character might be in Braavos at that time? Someone with a few names still left on her list, and who might by then be a fully trained faceless man. Someone who might be very handy to have at your side when overthrowing a kingdom run by the family who killed her father… I rather like that. But another observation: Mace Tyrell is also in Braavos, and is Master of Ships for the crown. He is I think still unaware of Margaerys and Loras’s arrest. He may not be as stupid as he pretends to be. The Lannisters also owe the Tyrells a ton of money, and have effectively broken their alliance. Tyrion has mentioned the Tyrells to Dani as a potential ally. What will Mace do if he finds out about Margaerys arrest? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/385 "2016-05-06T21:18:16Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > You know, some organizaation like the Iron Bank of Braavos. The bank that you don’t screw over without dire consequences. The one that lent the Lannisters a whole lot of money that isn’t coming back… > > But you’d have to go to Braavos. I wonder what character might be in Braavos at that time? Someone with a few names still left on her list, and who might by then be a fully trained faceless man. Someone who might be very handy to have at your side when overthrowing a kingdom run by the family who killed her father… What \*is \*the relationship between the Faceless Men and the Bank of Braavos? Are they allies or competitors? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/386 "2016-05-06T21:39:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What \*is \*the relationship between the Faceless Men and the Bank of Braavos? Are they allies or competitors? I don’t think we have seen any relationship between them to date. Arya has been instructed by Jaqen to kill an insurance seller, but it’s apparently because he’s crooked rather than they have anything against financial traders. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/387 "2016-05-06T21:40:26Z")
Haven’t they accepted contracts from the Bank? In any event, Arya could just desert and go with Tyrion. But maybe she’ll just be a hired gun for the Bank, with motives of her own deeply hidden away. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/388 "2016-05-06T21:54:23Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Haven’t they accepted contracts from the Bank? I don’t recall that being mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/389 "2016-05-06T21:56:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Haven’t they accepted contracts from the Bank? In any event, Arya could just desert and go with Tyrion. But maybe she’ll just be a hired gun for the Bank, with motives of her own deeply hidden away. I suspect that a girl does not desert from the Faceless Men. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/390 "2016-05-06T22:06:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I suspect that a girl does not desert from the Faceless Men. They could throw her out. But yeah, you probably don’t leave a death cult by just saying “ta-ta.” ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/391 "2016-05-06T22:09:36Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I rather like that. > > But another observation: Mace Tyrell is also in Braavos, and is Master of Ships for the crown. He is I think still unaware of Margaerys and Loras’s arrest. He may not be as stupid as he pretends to be. The Lannisters also owe the Tyrells a ton of money, and have effectively broken their alliance. Tyrion has mentioned the Tyrells to Dani as a potential ally. What will Mace do if he finds out about Margaerys arrest? The Lannisters broke their alliance with the Tyrells? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/392 "2016-05-06T22:20:56Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The Lannisters broke their alliance with the Tyrells? For all intents and purposes when Cersei finagled having the Sparrows imprison Margaery and Loras. It may not be formally dissolved but Olenna has threatened Cersei in no uncertain terms with withdrawing Tyrell support if her grandchildren are not released. Of course, Cersei doesn’t have a lot of leverage with the Sparrows at this point. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/393 "2016-05-06T22:59:06Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The Lannisters broke their alliance with the Tyrells? Also Tywin had arranged for Cersei to marry Loras, and Cersei tossed that over as soon as Tywin’s corpse was cold. (Probably nowhere near as important as Tommen/Margery from the Martell POV though.) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/394 "2016-05-06T23:24:27Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Plot twist, and pure speculation on my part: > > Sansa is pregant by Ramsey. > > I wouldn’t normally spoiler such lame speculation but this is GoT. I think that too. > [@Colibri](#): > > …What will Mace do if he finds out about Margaerys arrest? Whatever his mother tells him to do. > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Also Tywin had arranged for Cersei to marry Loras, and Cersei tossed that over as soon as Tywin’s corpse was cold. (Probably nowhere near as important as Tommen/Margery from the Martell POV though.) Don’t forget Cersei had the gall to act like Loras getting arrested was an insult against _her_ honour because they were betrothed. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/395 "2016-05-06T23:28:23Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Whatever his mother tells him to do. Probably. Can ravens fly across the Narrow Sea? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/396 "2016-05-07T01:56:24Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > For all intents and purposes when Cersei finagled having the Sparrows imprison Margaery and Loras. > > It may not be formally dissolved but Olenna has threatened Cersei in no uncertain terms with withdrawing Tyrell support if her grandchildren are not released. > > Of course, Cersei doesn’t have a lot of leverage with the Sparrows at this point. Considering her own imprisonment, that gives her a hell of a lot of plausible deniability. Plus, Margaery is the queen. Kind of hard to break that alliance when you’d be betraying your own family, no? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/397 "2016-05-07T02:31:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Considering her own imprisonment, that gives her a hell of a lot of plausible deniability. Olenna was the one who engineered that, with the help of Baelish, _after_ Margaery was imprisoned. Olenna has made it clear she knows exactly what was going on, despite Cersei’s transparent denials. > [@](#): > > Plus, Margaery is the queen. Kind of hard to break that alliance when you’d be betraying your own family, no? I’m not sure what you mean here. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/398 "2016-05-07T04:27:53Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > …We’re not going to get something like “What became of the Russian in the Pine Barrens?” in the _Sopranos_. We already did, for many fans, with [spoiler]Syrio Forel. I know, I know…[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/399 "2016-05-07T04:36:56Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > We already did, for many fans, with > > [spoiler]Syrio Forel. > > I know, I know…[/spoiler] We won’t really know about that one until the end, will we?😉 And some speculate that character I mentioned could have been involved in the finale of the Sopranos. The thing is, he doesn’t have any real unfinished business, unlike say The Hound or Benjen. That makes his return somewhat less likely. FWIW, here’s a list of [61 significant characters who have died,](http://time.com/3924852/every-game-of-thrones-death/) or appeared to die, in the first five seasons, together with the odds of coming back. The vast majority are villains, side characters, unconfirmed, or have actually come back already. There’s not a lot of major good guys who have died. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/400 "2016-05-07T05:40:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > FWIW, here’s a list of [61 significant characters who have died,](http://time.com/3924852/every-game-of-thrones-death/) or appeared to die, in the first five seasons, together with the odds of coming back. The vast majority are villains, side characters, unconfirmed, or have actually come back already. There’s not a lot of major good guys who have died. No, if you add several constraints like that you’re not going to see many instances. But there doesn’t appear to be a pattern of good guys being less likely to die so far: (question mark if it’s debatable whether they are major characters, or whether they are good/bad/inbetween) Good: Ned Stark, Renly Baratheon?, Joer Mormont, Robb Stark, Catelyn Stark, Oberyn Martell?, Jojen, Ser Barristan? (5 + 3?) Bad: Viserys Targaryen, Craster?, Joffrey Baratheon, Tywin Lannister, Locke?, Meryn Trant? (3 + 3?) Inbetween/unknown: Robert Baratheon, Khal Drogo, Lysa Arryn, Ygritte, The Hound, Shae?, Mance Rayder?, Stannis Barathon (6 + 2?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=21)