# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/81 "2016-05-02T16:09:03Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Besides, it’s not realistic for people to always be able to understand, determine, manage, or execute the best self-preservation action under stress. Very often, people just freeze in terror. She obviously thought she had a better chance of throwing herself on Ramsay’s mercy rather than trying to outrun the hounds. That’s because she barely knew Ramsay. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/82 "2016-05-02T16:11:50Z")
I have no idea anymore what is the point of Bran’s story arc, like why is he in that cave, what is the end goal or who/what all those weirdos are. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/83 "2016-05-02T16:15:16Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Didn’t they discuss the urgency in the previous scene? > > Two of their cities had fallen, their navy was soaked kindling littering the docks, and an entire district had switched allegiances. > > Seemed pretty dire to me. I guess I didn’t catch what they expected the two dragons to do now that they are free. Are they going to find Daenerys? Are they going to terrorize the two cities that have fallen back under slaver control? Are they just going to control the sheep population? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/84 "2016-05-02T16:17:21Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This was very disappointing to me, to see Roose Bolton killed so easily and so quickly with the same technique used to kill Han Solo. “Dad! I love you!” Stab. Really doesn’t serve the character well at all. I think it might’ve been cooler if Ramsay had stabbed Roose, but it didn’t penetrate Roose’s chainmail, which he wore because he was savvy enough to anticipate the attempt. Then there’s a struggle, and Roose actually gets the better of Ramsay… at which point the new Lord Karstark kills Roose to seal their The Dicks In The North alliance. It would’ve been more dramatic, made Roose seem more competant, added a sad note that the father, even after legitimizing his son, was always that wary of them, and then made a much more dramatic reveal of the Ramsay/Karstark alliance. Would’ve only taken an extra 40 seconds of screen time but would’ve given the scene much more impact I think. It was pretty perfunctory as it was. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/85 "2016-05-02T16:18:49Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I have no idea anymore what is the point of Bran’s story arc, like why is he in that cave, what is the end goal or who/what all those weirdos are. We know from before that he can see through the eyes of, and even control, animals and _people_. Now they’re showing us that not only can he see the present, but his new mentor is teaching him how to see the past. We don’t know what the end goal is, but obviously these are powerful weapons… Why is he there? Because the “three-eyed raven” has been leading him there in dreams and visions. That “raven” was actually the powerful warg-mentor, who could sense/find Bran’s power. We don’t know who he is or what his agenda is yet, but the point of the story arc is to find out… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/86 "2016-05-02T16:20:39Z")
If the entire point of Bran’s arc is to show us cool scenes from the past then that will be absolutely fine with me. It probably won’t be though. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/87 "2016-05-02T16:24:50Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I guess I didn’t catch what they expected the two dragons to do now that they are free. Are they going to find Daenerys? Are they going to terrorize the two cities that have fallen back under slaver control? Are they just going to control the sheep population? I think Tyrion’s immediate objective was to keep them healthy, since he heard that they weren’t eating. He knows that Daenerys needs the dragons for her own emotional wellbeing, and also because they solidify her authority as a ruler and a Targaryen. It’s also a narrative sign that Daenerys is once again about to roll up her sleeves and start making lemonade from all the lemons she’s been getting handed since Season 4. Now I really, really want to see Tyrion riding one of those dragons around, barbecuing Sons of the Harpy. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/88 "2016-05-02T16:27:19Z")
> [@troub](#): > > We know from before that he can see through the eyes of, and even control, animals and _people_. Now they’re showing us that not only can he see the present, but his new mentor is teaching him how to see the past. We don’t know what the end goal is, but obviously these are powerful weapons… > > Why is he there? Because the “three-eyed raven” has been leading him there in dreams and visions. That “raven” was actually the powerful warg-mentor, who could sense/find Bran’s power. We don’t know who he is or what his agenda is yet, but the point of the story arc is to find out… Thanks, that helps. I had forgotten about the prophecy aspect of the three-eyed raven. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/89 "2016-05-02T16:31:22Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Wouldn’t take much, find some sellwords in fleabottom, pay someone enough money to take the head sparrow down with a poisoned cross bow bolt when he goes walking through the city. Then appoint their own candidate while using the Kinsguard to quell any disorder that follows in the city. I don’t think the High Sparrow is leaving the Sept of Baelor much at this point. While the King evidently has the power to appoint the High Septon, it’s possible that this could be rejected by the Sparrows. The Lannisters’ hold on the city is extremely tenuous at this point. As the High Sparrow points out, the Sparrows have strength in numbers and also due to their fanaticism, because they don’t care about dying. On top of that, it’s clear that the common people of the city hate the Lannisters and support the Sparrows. Any attempt to assassinate the Sparrow would provoke riots that would make storming the Bastille look like a picnic. > [@DigitalC](#): > > I think there was a mistake this episode. The Karstark guy said the Starks lost their loyalty when they executed his father, but the reason the Karstark lord murdered the Lannister captives was because his son’s died to Lannisters. Two during the battle and one during Jamies escape. If he had a healthy grown heir he probably wouldn’t have been quite so reckless in the first place. Rickard Karstark had three sons. Harrion, the eldest, was killed early in the War. Torrhen was killed by Jaime Lannister during his escape. Rickard killed the Lannister hostages (including Tommen;)) in response to his death. Harald is his surviving son. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/90 "2016-05-02T16:34:26Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I have no idea anymore what is the point of Bran’s story arc, like why is he in that cave, what is the end goal or who/what all those weirdos are. To get into a bit more speculation – The Children of the Forest are the only ones who really know anything about the White Walkers, so we’ll likely see all of this knowledge that Bran’s sucking up be useful in the future. And to get into crazy fan theories (not mine, spoiler tags in case this ends up being accurate): There’s a battle brewing between two magical forces, maybe a lyrical battle, oh hell, we’ll just call it A Song of Ice (White Walkers) and Fire (Dragons). R+L=J suggests that, since he has both hot and cold blood in his veins, Jon Snow will be pivotal in resolving this battle, orchestrating some sort of peace or annihilating both forces or something. But both he and the audience will need someone there to explain WTF is happening, and that’s where Bran would come in. Awfully convenient to have a warg brother who’s been hanging out with some magical tree elves in that case. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/91 "2016-05-02T16:37:03Z")
1. When Tyrion faces the two dragons in this scene [- YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SIbICzNrBo) is it meant as a reference to the meme of Chris Pratt facing down the raptors? 2. It took every ounce of Tyrion’s courage for him to unchain the dragons. So who actually put the irons on the beasts to begin with? Did they live to tell about it? 3. Does anybody else think that Tenniel’s Jabberwocky [jennyo.net](http://gogirlcafe.jennyo.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jabberwocky_2_2.jpg) influenced the design of Dany’s dragons? 4. Drogon, I think, is referred to as “he.” Do we know the genders of the other two? If one is a female, does Dany have a breeding program in mind? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/92 "2016-05-02T16:42:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think it might’ve been cooler if Ramsay had stabbed Roose, but it didn’t penetrate Roose’s chainmail, which he wore because he was savvy enough to anticipate the attempt. Then there’s a struggle, and Roose actually gets the better of Ramsay… at which point the new Lord Karstark kills Roose to seal their The Dicks In The North alliance. It would’ve been more dramatic, made Roose seem more competant, added a sad note that the father, even after legitimizing his son, was always that wary of them, and then made a much more dramatic reveal of the Ramsay/Karstark alliance. Would’ve only taken an extra 40 seconds of screen time but would’ve given the scene much more impact I think. It was pretty perfunctory as it was. I like that idea as well, but I still think it works as-is. True, I also expected Roose to be more savvy than that, but he clearly thought that he could control Ramsey. There’s plenty of existing story to support that. Roose thought he could keep Ramsey in line by threatening to make his new son the heir instead. If he had thought that Ramsey would ever consider betraying him, he wouldn’t have constantly brought up Ramsey’s tenuous position as heir all the time. Nearly every major character in GoT has serious blindspots when it comes to trusting or controlling people, this was Roose’s. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/93 "2016-05-02T16:46:24Z")
> [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > … > 2. It took every ounce of Tyrion’s courage for him to unchain the dragons. So who actually put the irons on the beasts to begin with? Did they live to tell about it? > … Daenerys did. She led them into the basement thing and tossed some meat for them to munch on. While they ate, she clapped the irons around their necks. They didn’t seem to care until she started to leave the area and they found that they were restrained and couldn’t follow her. > [@](#): > > 1. Drogon, I think, is referred to as “he.” Do we know the genders of the other two? If one is a female, does Dany have a breeding program in mind? Life…finds a way. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/94 "2016-05-02T16:47:27Z")
I was overall fairly disappointed by this episode. It felt like the GoT acting and production values devoted to a lesser, much more predictable show. I love **Senor Beef** ’s suggestion for how the Roose/Ramsay scene could have gone instead: > [@](#): > > I think it might’ve been cooler if Ramsay had stabbed Roose, but it didn’t penetrate Roose’s chainmail, which he wore because he was savvy enough to anticipate the attempt. Then there’s a struggle, and Roose actually gets the better of Ramsay… at which point the new Lord Karstark kills Roose to seal their The Dicks In The North alliance. It would’ve been more dramatic, made Roose seem more competant, added a sad note that the father, even after legitimizing his son, was always that wary of them, and then made a much more dramatic reveal of the Ramsay/Karstark alliance. Would’ve only taken an extra 40 seconds of screen time but would’ve given the scene much more impact I think. It was pretty perfunctory as it was. And I think one could make similar suggestions to a number of other scenes in this episode… Tyrion and the dragons, Arya passing a test with Jaqen, even Jon Snow’s resurrection. There were only a few scenes I really loved: Bran’s flashback, and the brief scene with the bragging guy talking about flashing Cersei and then meeting the ZombieMountain. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/95 "2016-05-02T16:49:52Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Daenerys did. She led them into the basement thing and tossed some meat for them to munch on. While they ate, she clapped the irons around their necks. They didn’t seem to care until she started to leave the area and they found that they were restrained and couldn’t follow her. Thank you, **oft wears hats**. I seemed to have missed that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/96 "2016-05-02T16:50:20Z")
[quote=“CalMeacham, post:27, topic:753643”] Okay, I absolutely could not help saying the following lines, at the appropriate points: “I’ve seen woise!” “He’s only _mostly_ dead. Now, _mostly_ dead is a little bit _alive_.” It doesn’t help that when Melisandre takes off the necklace she turns into [Valerie](http://www.damemagazine.com/sites/default/files/carol-kane-princess-bride_0.jpg). It’ll be interesting to see if Ian McShane’s character is a king’s former maester with Yiddish accent and if they get together. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/97 "2016-05-02T16:54:14Z")
> [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > 1. It took every ounce of Tyrion’s courage for him to unchain the dragons. So who actually put the irons on the beasts to begin with? Did they live to tell about it? Daenarys. They showed this in the Previously On recap at the beginning of the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/98 "2016-05-02T16:55:20Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Daenarys. They showed this in the Previously On recap at the beginning of the episode. Thanks, **Eyebrows**. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/99 "2016-05-02T17:00:50Z")
Remember way back when Theon was on a ship to bring Balon over to Robb’s cause? He seduced the captain’s daughter and as he left he said something like “you’re probably pregnant with a king’s bastard now.” I’m kind of hoping she was pregnant and he is reunited with them. But I’m a sap sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/100 "2016-05-02T17:04:56Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Remember way back when Theon was on a ship to bring Balon over to Robb’s cause? He seduced the captain’s daughter and as he left he said something like “you’re probably pregnant with a king’s bastard now.” I’m kind of hoping she was pregnant and he is reunited with them. But I’m a sap sometimes. Theon is one of the few characters who has deserved every bad turn he’s gotten. But, I’d be willing to let him go with time and body parts served at this point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=6)