# Game of Thrones 6.02 "Home" 5/1/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 1, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643 "2016-05-01T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/121 "2016-05-02T18:59:12Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > I never read the books and I feel like I’m missing a ton of info on the gods… Do they actually exist? Some priests are portrayed as almost like real world medieval Christian priests/monks, fanatical, but without any actual miraculous powers. Others, and it looks like at least some are from an entirely different pantheon? appear to have priests capable of miracles… but many seem more like wizards/witches than priests Like the Red Lady and the fire wizard guys from Season 1 that got eaten by the dragons in their tower. There are three main religions in Westeros: the Old Gods, nature gods that were once worshiped everywhere but whose worship now survives mainly in the North; the Faith of the Seven, which is now the “establishment” religion that replaced the Old Gods in most of Westeros and which the Septons and Septas represent (and which the Sparrows are a fundamentalist branch of); and the Drowned God, worshiped only in the Iron Islands. The religion of the Lord of Light is an import from Essos with only a few adherents in Westeros, most prominently Melisandre and Thoros of Myr. There are a bunch of other minor religions and cults followed locally, especially in Essos. The Old Gods have similarity to animism, the Seven has parallels to medieval Christianity, and the Lord of Light to Zoroastrianism. While the supernatural certainly exists, it is uncertain which if any gods are “real.” We have seen what appears to be supernatural activity attributed to both the Old Gods and the Lord of Light, not to mention the Lhazareen witch who cursed Khal Drogo and Danaerys unborn child. The “wizard guys” are the Warlocks of Qarth, who do not represent a religion but are a guild of magicians. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/122 "2016-05-02T18:59:18Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Drogon was the one who was misbehaving. The other two were fine for the most part, but she was worried they would get worse. There was a scene in a previous season where Dany got between one of the two and his (her?) food and it seemed to briefly forget who she was and come at her. That was why she felt they could not be trusted to be free. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/123 "2016-05-02T19:10:13Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > So in some sort of sync with winter? There have been many winters come and gone without magic all of a sudden working. The adults remember winter but they sure don’t remember magic working. ETA: Also among the religions that are making a play for the throne are The Drowned Gods. Theon and his family adhere to this religion. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/124 "2016-05-02T19:11:52Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > I guess it’s finally time to look up a wiki now that there isn’t a risk of spoilers. There still are spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/125 "2016-05-02T19:12:21Z")
Maybe Willis/Hodor will meet the Lannister’s beetle smashing cousin Orson and they can be best friends. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/126 "2016-05-02T19:22:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > There are three main religions in Westeros: the Old Gods, nature gods that were once worshiped everywhere but whose worship now survives mainly in the North; the Faith of the Seven, which is now the “establishment” religion that replaced the Old Gods in most of Westeros and which the Septons and Septas represent (and which the Sparrows are a fundamentalist branch of); and the Drowned God, worshiped only in the Iron Islands. > > The religion of the Lord of Light is an import from Essos with only a few adherents in Westeros, most prominently Melisandre and Thoros of Myr. There are a bunch of other minor religions and cults followed locally, especially in Essos. > > The Old Gods have similarity to animism, the Seven has parallels to medieval Christianity, and the Lord of Light to Zoroastrianism. > > While the supernatural certainly exists, it is uncertain which if any gods are “real.” We have seen what appears to be supernatural activity attributed to both the Old Gods and the Lord of Light, not to mention the Lhazareen witch who cursed Khal Drogo and Danaerys unborn child. > > The “wizard guys” are the Warlocks of Qarth, who do not represent a religion but are a guild of magicians. Thanks! Super helpful, specially in light of… > [@Bone](#): > > There still are spoilers. Seriously? I thought the show officially passed up the books now?! > [@Biggirl](#): > > There have been many winters come and gone without magic all of a sudden working. The adults remember winter but they sure don’t remember magic working. > > ETA: Also among the religions that are making a play for the throne are The Drowned Gods. Theon and his family adhere to this religion. Even weirder. I feel like I’m going to have to risk the wikis, there’s so much not really covered in the show in detail. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/127 "2016-05-02T19:37:47Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Seriously? I thought the show officially passed up the books now?! There is no “official”. There are still things I would consider spoilers so if you want to preserve your experience it’d be better to not read wikis that aren’t based solely on the show. YMMV. I feel like I’ve already said too much given the thread premise but I wanted to warn you off else you may read something you’d regret. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/128 "2016-05-02T19:54:15Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Even weirder. I feel like I’m going to have to risk the wikis, there’s so much not really covered in the show in detail. I checked this section on [Religion](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Religion) in the Game of Thrones Wikia, and didn’t see anything that would be a spoiler if you are caught up with the TV show, as long as you don’t read the “In the Books” section on each page (which I avoid, not having read the books). I’ve found that Wikia to generally be OK about not spoiling too much of the TV show as long as you don’t read about differences from the books, but I did have one major death spoiled on me just because I read the account about the character’s home city. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/129 "2016-05-02T19:56:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > There are three main religions in Westeros: the Old Gods, nature gods that were once worshiped everywhere but whose worship now survives mainly in the North; the Faith of the Seven, which is now the “establishment” religion that replaced the Old Gods in most of Westeros and which the Septons and Septas represent (and which the Sparrows are a fundamentalist branch of); and the Drowned God, worshiped only in the Iron Islands. > > The religion of the Lord of Light is an import from Essos with only a few adherents in Westeros, most prominently Melisandre and Thoros of Myr. There are a bunch of other minor religions and cults followed locally, especially in Essos. > > The Old Gods have similarity to animism, the Seven has parallels to medieval Christianity, and the Lord of Light to Zoroastrianism. > > While the supernatural certainly exists, it is uncertain which if any gods are “real.” We have seen what appears to be supernatural activity attributed to both the Old Gods and the Lord of Light, not to mention the Lhazareen witch who cursed Khal Drogo and Danaerys unborn child. > > The “wizard guys” are the Warlocks of Qarth, who do not represent a religion but are a guild of magicians. And don’t forget the Faceless Men of Braavos and their Many-Faced God. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/130 "2016-05-02T20:01:45Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Seriously? I thought the show officially passed up the books now?! There are entire characters and plotlines from the books that do not appear in the show, but it’s hard to say for sure what’s been definitively cut, and what might still appear later (“out of order”, although ordering of events has always been sketchy due to the way the story is told from the perspective of so many different characters in different places). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/131 "2016-05-02T20:05:37Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > And don’t forget the Faceless Men of Braavos and their Many-Faced God. I didn’t mention it because it’s such a minor religion. The Faceless Men worship Death as their Many-faced God, who appears under different guises in all other religions (which are depicted in their House of Black and White). There is also the Dothraki religion, the Lhazareen religion, and various religions of Essos like the Ghiskari religion. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/132 "2016-05-02T20:08:10Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Wouldn’t take much, find some sellwords in fleabottom, pay someone enough money to take the head sparrow down with a poisoned cross bow bolt when he goes walking through the city. Then appoint their own candidate while using the Kinsguard to quell any disorder that follows in the city. There are only a handful of Kingsguard. I think you mean some combination of Lannister soldiers (red uniforms) and the City Watch (AKA Gold Cloaks) who act as a sort of home guard / police force for Kings Landing. Presumably the Lannister troops are loyal but the Gold CLoaks have been shown to be rather fickle in their loyalty. The Sparrows have enough support from the people that they can hold the queen and her brother captive and walk the queen mum naked through the streets of King’s Landing. I don’t think the show has done a good job of presenting the situation, but I feel like the Lannister troops and Kings Guard are mostly secured in the Red Keep protecting the royal family while the City Watch just sort of does the bare minimum. My sense is that the true power of the Sparrows is that they can stir up a rebellion that could threaten to overwhelm the Lannisters. > [@Colibri](#): > > I didn’t mention it because it’s such a minor religion. The Faceless Men worship Death as their Many-faced God, who appears under different guises in all other religions (which are depicted in their House of Black and White). > > There is also the Dothraki religion, the Lhazareen religion, and various religions of Essos like the Ghiskari religion. True. I only mention the Faceless Men because they seem to have actual magic powers. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/133 "2016-05-02T20:12:03Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think there was a mistake this episode. The Karstark guy said the Starks lost their loyalty when they executed his father, but the reason the Karstark lord murdered the Lannister captives was because his son’s died to Lannisters. Two during the battle and one during Jamies escape. If he had a healthy grown heir he probably wouldn’t have been quite so reckless in the first place. I don’t recall, but is the new Lord Karstark a son of the one Robb executed? He could be a nephew. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/134 "2016-05-02T20:29:10Z")
If Jon Snow immediately gets killed in the next episode it will seal the deal as this being the greatest, trolliest show in history. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/135 "2016-05-02T20:41:29Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I don’t recall, but is the new Lord Karstark a son of the one Robb executed? He could be a nephew. As I mentioned in post #89, in the TV show he is the only surviving son (of three) of Rickard Karstark, who Robb executed. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/136 "2016-05-02T20:44:38Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > If Jon Snow immediately gets killed in the next episode it will seal the deal as this being the greatest, trolliest show in history. 🙂 Actually, Jon and his Direwolf have exchanged personalities permanently. The next episodes will show Ghost trying to master using a sword, while Jon rips out Ser Alliser’s throat with his teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/137 "2016-05-02T21:09:45Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Actually, Jon and his Direwolf have exchanged personalities permanently. The next episodes will show Ghost trying to master using a sword, while Jon rips out Ser Alliser’s throat with his teeth. In a change of pace episode, they have to get Ghost-as-Jon to convince King Tommen to send more men to the Wall in spite of the fact he can’t stop peeing on the floor or trying to hump Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/138 "2016-05-02T21:15:59Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > There was a scene in a previous season where Dany got between one of the two and his (her?) food and it seemed to briefly forget who she was and come at her. That was why she felt they could not be trusted to be free. No, that was Drogon. Danaerys was sitting on a big rock in the sun with Drogon’s head on her lap, petting him. The others came by with some sort of food, Drogon got involved in trying to wrest it away from them, Danaerys reached in the direction of them/the food, and Drogon snapped at her. Dragon was the one who roasted and ate a little girl, and Dany locked the other two up because she couldn’t bear to have any more children put at risk. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/139 "2016-05-02T21:25:19Z")
The Jon Snow thing is borderline jumping the shark for me - I 'll guess I won’t know for a while if it ultimately turns me off the show. Almost the most important thing for me was GoT killed off so many, regardless of significance. But Jon Snow is just too big to kill off. It like undermines the basic rule, or something. It feels like a money decision, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643/140 "2016-05-02T21:31:16Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > No, that was Drogon. Danaerys was sitting on a big rock in the sun with Drogon’s head on her lap, petting him. The others came by with some sort of food, Drogon got involved in trying to wrest it away from them, Danaerys reached in the direction of them/the food, and Drogon snapped at her. > > Dragon was the one who roasted and ate a little girl, and Dany locked the other two up because she couldn’t bear to have any more children put at risk. Yes. She chained the two smaller dragons in response to Drogon’s killing the little girl. However, when she came to visit them later they attacked her, causing her to flee. They are pretty pissed off at being chained up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-02-home-5-1-16-show-discussion/753643.md?page=8)