# Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345 "2016-05-08T22:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/261 "2016-05-12T00:40:54Z")
Her tits are on my hard drive because the entire show is on my hard drive. My point was that I’m not dying to see her naked because we already have. It’s the incongruity that’s distracting. Also, I disliked the gratuitous nudity of season 2. All of the Littlefinger brothel sexposition is really bad, more distracting than any non-nudity. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/262 "2016-05-12T00:49:34Z")
I enjoy nudity as much as anyone, and I would love a world in which every beautiful woman let me see her naked, but I doubt very many people notice the use of camera angles to hide the absence of “real” nudity. And I think it’s a massive overstatement to claim that it actually takes you out of the story. In the big picture no one is going to be talking about the legacy of this series and saying it was ruined by a change in the depiction of nudity of one character. And also, this is just a show. No matter what one might think about the impact or importance of “sex work,” when it comes right down to it, the nudity integrity of the show is nowhere near as important as an actor’s feelings about her body. No contract should lock an actor into such a position. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/263 "2016-05-12T01:22:59Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Because Melisandre washed his body. That’s done all the time in the real world: [Last offices - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathing_the_dead) Thank you; I was going to point this out. And even if they weren’t trying to be respectful of his body he probably still would’ve been stripped time permitting given the relative value of cloth in a preindustrial society. > [@Colibri](#): > > …At least in the TV show, Tommen is theoretically over 18 (because they don’t want to imply underage sex with Margaery) so that Joffrey must have been around 20. So she would be in her late 30s at least. And Cersei is alcoholic and probably doesn’t get a lot of exercise, so she’s not going to be in good shape… There’s no way Tommen is supposed to be over 18; more like 14 or 15. [Dean-Charles Chapman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean-Charles_Chapman) didn’t even turn 18 until last September which of course means he was underage when they filmed post-coital scene with Margaery (which is why it was so demure, at least by the show’s standards). It’s ludicrous to think the producers would have any issue implying underage sex between Tommen & Margaery when they’ve implied much, much worse with underage girls & older men before. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/264 "2016-05-12T01:43:30Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’ve always been baffled by the idea that sex work - or not even sex work but just being nude in this case - was so much more vulnerable and sacrosant and compromising than any other job. I hear all the time from camgirls who get naked on webcam how the job is super degrading and damages their soul, and everyone rushes in to protect the poor abused girls who make a ton of money showing some skin from the safety of their homes and comforts them like they’re a fucking holocaust survivor. > > You’re selling your time and your physical presence regardless of what the job is. Lots of people work far harder, more miserable jobs for less pay than any sex work. But somehow everyone has decided that anything involving sexuality automatically trumps anything else. It’s very strange to me. > > Being an actor can be hard work, I’m sure. To use my previous examples, staging fight scenes is probably pretty hard work. You’re doing the choreography over and over, it’s very physical work, you’re burdened by armor, working under the hot sun or under hot lights, trying takes over and over again. But if you’re a fighter in a tv series, it’s part of your fucking job and you do it. > > If the guys playing Sandor Clegane and Bronn and Jaime Lannister all suddenly decided that it was hard work and they didn’t want to do it anymore, and they put it in their contract, no one would be rushing in to say “I support their right to decide what to do with their bodies!” even though it’s a lot more gruelling than showing nudity. Everyone would be saying “what the fuck, it’s part of your job to do that, you signed on knowing that, you’ve done it before, and by refusing to do it now you’re making them stage the scenes in awkward, immersion-breaking ways” > > But oh no, nudity, that’s apparently greater than any physical toil one can undergo and automatically deserves protection no matter the context, we all have to act like it’s the worst thing that could happen to a person and they’re brave and wise for deciding not to do their job anymore. Upvote. ---
**Author:** ![F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.Pu-du-he-pa-as)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/265 "2016-05-12T02:05:18Z")
I have to say that this Daenerys nudity discussion makes me really uncomfortable. “The scene would have been better from a dramatic standpoint if we’d seen her nude” is fine. “What a jerk move on the part of the actress not to want to do any more nude scenes” is not. The issue of sex and nudity for women is fraught, and most of us just try to move through the world as best we can. To have it attract so much attention is dehumanizing. It upsets me to even be a bystander-- I know I’m not an actress, but do people make these sorts of judgments about me and my body but don’t say them to my face? If I wanted to do public intellectual work, is this the sort of thing I’d have to deal with? It drives one to despair. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/266 "2016-05-12T02:20:09Z")
> [@F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](#): > > I have to say that this Daenerys nudity discussion makes me really uncomfortable. That’s your problem, not anyone else’s. > [@F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](#): > > The issue of sex and nudity for women is fraught, and most of us just try to move through the world as best we can. To have it attract so much attention is dehumanizing. Bullshit. It’s only attracting attention because the actress made a deliberate choice to get a job under false pretenses and then pull a bait and switch maneuver. If she hadn’t done that, there would be no issue. She brought it on herself through her own actions (and before someone says this sounds like some kind of “victim-blaming”, keep in mind she isn’t a _victim_ of anything. She’s a fucking multi-millionaire as a direct result of what she did) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/267 "2016-05-12T02:21:40Z")
> [@F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](#): > > It upsets me to even be a bystander-- I know I’m not an actress, but do people make these sorts of judgments about me and my body but don’t say them to my face? If I wanted to do public intellectual work, is this the sort of thing I’d have to deal with? It drives one to despair. Well, that’s part of the whole societal problem, isn’t it? Women are constantly judged on their appearance and categorized as desirable, undesirable, or invisible. And the system is set up so that you always lose. You’re shunned if you’re not desirable, but you are also punished if you are. I see absolutely no problem with any employee who once had to accept a deal from a reduced bargaining position renegotiating that deal when in a stronger position. You can bet that the people they are negotiating with exploit every advantage they possess, so why not the other way around? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/268 "2016-05-12T02:41:36Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Does it? … Very much so, it’s like a parody. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/269 "2016-05-12T03:43:00Z")
> [@F.Pu-du-he-pa-as](#): > > I have to say that this Daenerys nudity discussion makes me really uncomfortable. “The scene would have been better from a dramatic standpoint if we’d seen her nude” is fine. “What a jerk move on the part of the actress not to want to do any more nude scenes” is not. Those aren’t separate positions. She signed onto the job knowing nudity was a significant part of the role. She went along with that until she had enough clout to be irreplacable, at which point she told them she would no longer do what she agreed to do. That behavior on her part lessons the quality of the series because of your first quote. > [@](#): > > The issue of sex and nudity for women is fraught, and most of us just try to move through the world as best we can. To have it attract so much attention is dehumanizing. You and the other people on your side are making this into some sort of issue on misogyny. It’s not. It’s only because of the tendency to find misogyny in everything, and puriticanal weirdness that we have around sex that this is even an argument, that there’s anyone willing to fight on the other side of it. I’ve already used the example that I’d be just as critical - moreso, really - if a male actor refused to do fight scenes. (And no one would ever say “it’s his body, he can do what he wants with it”, right? That’s part of the puritanical weirdness I’m talking about. Asserting bodily autonomy is somehow only an issue when it comes to protecting a woman’s delicate sexuality from phantom exploitation.) But how about another example? The series has always been willing to do unpleasant and gorey things. Not shying away from such things is a defining feature of what it is.But what if a director, who previously worked on the series, and was contractually awarded to do another episode, decided to film a big battle episode without any gore or blood? Suddenly his beliefs dictate that there be no blood or gore. So he films the battle in the same way old cheap cheesy westerns would be, with people falling over melodramatically with no blood or visible gore. It would be really distracting, because we’ve established the grittiness that the series has allowed in the past, and a sudden change to a goreless world would be incongruent. No one would be defending the director saying it’s his body and he shouldn’t be forced to shoot scenes in a way he doesn’t want to, and if you say otherwise you’re a misogynist who just wants to see his tits. > [@](#): > > It upsets me to even be a bystander-- I know I’m not an actress, but do people make these sorts of judgments about me and my body but don’t say them to my face? If I wanted to do public intellectual work, is this the sort of thing I’d have to deal with? It drives one to despair. This is a complete non-sequitor. What does this have to do with anything? I don’t even know how to address this. 1. You’re not an actress whose willingness to be nude is relevant to the quality and impact of a scene 2. You never signed up for a part on the condition that you do nude scenes, and then revoke your cooperation when it was too late for them to cast someone else who would be more willing to do the job than you are 3. No one is making judgments about anyone’s body. Where are you even seeing that? 4. What sort of thoughts are you even talking about saying to your face? I can’t even begin to understand what you’re asking. Certainly no one is thinking “damn, this girl agreed to be nude, and then when she got enough clout, decided not to live up to her side of the bargain” behind your back. 5. What does public intellectual work have to do with agreeing to do nude scenes, doing then, and then being unwilling to do them? Does this happen a lot in intellectual work? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/270 "2016-05-12T03:48:40Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Very much so, it’s like a parody. It’s easy to make unsubstantiated snipes from the sideline. You’re seeing what you want to see, and have nothing to contribute. No one in this thread is saying MAN I GOTTA SEE MORE TITS or whatever it is you’re trying to imply. I also hate fantasy, by the way. It’s easily the worst fictional genre that there is. So if you’re basing your conclusion that I’m a stereotypical fantasy fan, you’re already demonstrably wrong. I’m interested in this series because the fantastical elements at first were very very mild. It was mostly about the characters, the politics, the acting, the scenery, the dialogue - all stuff that was very much grounded in real world history. Yes, the looming threat of the white walkers were present, but that could be a stand-in for any sort of growing everpresent threat outside of your borders, like a looming barbarian invasion. My interest in the series is down sharply since the last episode of season 4 when skeletons popped out of the ground and some magical pixies threw fireballs at them. I pretty much instantly disengaged with the series at that point. Following that up with the poorest season by far after that didn’t do anything to re-engage me. I can’t tell if this season so far is good or bad. I know I’m not getting much enjoyment out of watching it, but I’m not sure if that’s because of the disconnect I just mentioned, or that the quality of the writing is low. Lots of stuff is happening, but it doesn’t seem to have the well-crafted feeling that previous ones did. It’s alternately stuck (Sam and Silly scenes, Tyrion monologuing for 5 minutes about how bored he is of Grey Worm and Missandei) and then flying by (Arya’s blindness might as well have been a 90 second Rocky montage). It’s very uneven. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/271 "2016-05-12T04:11:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > There’s no way Tommen is supposed to be over 18; more like 14 or 15. [Dean-Charles Chapman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean-Charles_Chapman) didn’t even turn 18 until last September which of course means he was underage when they filmed post-coital scene with Margaery (which is why it was so demure, at least by the show’s standards). It’s ludicrous to think the producers would have any issue implying underage sex between Tommen & Margaery when they’ve implied much, much worse with underage girls & older men before. I’m going by what the Wiki says about this. (I think it was mentioned in the DVD commentary as well.) Even in the TV show, Tommen was stated to be 8 only years old in the first season, which would make him about 12 now. Obviously when they recast the role they retconned his age and went for an older actor. Regardless of what they might have implied about sex with young girls before, they are not going to show Margaery having sex with someone who is supposed to be 12. Let’s say he’s supposed to be at least around 17-18 now. He’s definitely not supposed to be 14 or 15. If he were, he would need a regent, and he’s ruling in his own name. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/272 "2016-05-12T06:09:53Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Bullshit. It’s only attracting attention because the actress made a deliberate choice to get a job under false pretenses and then pull a bait and switch maneuver. Again, this assumes ill intent without any evidence. It’s entirely conceivable that she thought she was OK with the level of nudity and sex involved, but found out she wasn’t. So, that there is any duplicity is solely your projection. > [@](#): > > If she hadn’t done that, there would be no issue. She brought it on herself through her own actions (and before someone says this sounds like some kind of “victim-blaming”, keep in mind she isn’t a _victim_ of anything. She’s a fucking multi-millionaire as a direct result of what she did) She’s being victimized by the internet slander directed at her, which you say she ‘brought on herself’. So yes, this is blaming the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/273 "2016-05-12T06:45:51Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > But that scene isn’t jarring. It’s not like she has the body of an 18 year old supermodel. Yeah and now you mention it, I think that’s why the brothel scenes seem gratuitous. Not because we’re seeing tits, but because every adult\* prostitute is beautiful, young and horny. Every time they do those whore selection scenes they may as well directly address the viewer each time they say “Well, how about this one…?” - Lucky I remembered to put in that constraint, don’t want to be put in the same box as Meryn… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/274 "2016-05-12T07:20:17Z")
Most of the brothel scenes were so blatantly gratuitous that it was just insulting. “Hey, a character is gonna fill you in on some backstory, but we know you’re too dumb to pay attention to that, so look, tits” - they were really out of place with the rest of the series. I’m glad they seemed to be confined to a few episodes in season 2. I don’t know if there was enough of a backlash or what, but fortunately they put a stop to the really egregious stuff. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/275 "2016-05-12T08:43:55Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > They showed Ramsay let his eager hunting dogs tear apart that blonde girl after Myranda got jealous of her. Well, not _showed_ as in visible on screen. That’s precisely what I was thinking about. Anybody can kill anybody in the most gory ways conceivable, but there’s no way you’re going to see a dog doing as much as biting someone undeservedly. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/276 "2016-05-12T08:46:01Z")
I’m guessing it’s pretty hard to train dogs to bite people in convincing, gorey ways without actually training them to be violent killing machines. I guess you can use CGI, but… why is this a problem? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/277 "2016-05-12T09:20:39Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > We saw Ned cut Lady’s throat, Grey Wind shot by crossbowmen, and now the head of Shaggydog. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Nope, we didn’t see that. In the case of Lady, we only saw Ned during the scene, and in the case of Grey Wind, we again only saw the crossbowmen. No dog was ever wounded or killed on screen during the whole series. Compare with humans : we have a throat slited every other minute of the show. And I’m pretty certain it’s not random because film makers in general shy away from showing a dog being harmed. Viewers notoriously hate this. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > And as far as showing vicious dogs, we saw dogs kill one of Ramsay’s girls. I guess you might not count Walda + baby Bolton since it was off screen, but a pack of dogs did eat a baby. No, we didn’t see Ramsay’s dogs killing the girl : off screen. Nor eating a baby : off screen again. All harm done by dogs or to dogs is off screen. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/278 "2016-05-12T09:31:21Z")
Human actors are a lot easier to train to deal with prosthetics and makeup and blood packs and plausibly dying than dogs are. And training dogs to plausibly kill actors using those devices is pretty much training them to be killers. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/279 "2016-05-12T10:12:35Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I enjoy nudity as much as anyone, and I would love a world in which every beautiful woman let me see her naked, but I doubt very many people notice the use of camera angles to hide the absence of “real” nudity. And I think it’s a massive overstatement to claim that it actually takes you out of the story. In the case of the sex scene with Daario, it definitely was noticeable for me, because it looked exactly like an after sex scene of some random american series. I felt I was watching “Law and order” or something similar. Definitely took me out of the show. It felt deliberatly puritanical. > [@](#): > > No matter what one might think about the impact or importance of “sex work,” when it comes right down to it, the nudity integrity of the show is nowhere near as important as an actor’s feelings about her body. People keep writing “feelings about her body”, but that’s newspeak and it grates on my nerves. If it was “about her body” it would apply equally to everything else actors do. People, presumably including yourself, would have an issue if actors were allowed to ruin scenes at their whims because “it’s their body” (so, say, I won’t fight the white walkers, that’s condoning violence, I won’t walk in the snow because it’s cold, whatever). It’s not “about her body”, it’s “about nudity and sex”. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/280 "2016-05-12T10:19:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If the guys playing Sandor Clegane and Bronn and Jaime Lannister all suddenly decided that it was hard work and they didn’t want to do it anymore, and they put it in their contract, no one would be rushing in to say “I support their right to decide what to do with their bodies!” even though it’s a lot more gruelling than showing nudity. Everyone would be saying “what the fuck, it’s part of your job to do that, you signed on knowing that, you’ve done it before, and by refusing to do it now you’re making them stage the scenes in awkward, immersion-breaking ways” I’m not sure this is the strongest example. How about Arya’s contact lenses? By all accounts from her and every other actor who’s ever had to wear them (eg: Jim Carrey in The Grinch), the pain is excruciating. So what if Maise Williams refused, and instead of the cloudy-eye blindness her eyes just looked normal the whole time. (I’m not saying this is definitely a better illustration; just tossing it out there.) > [@SenorBeef](#): > > But how about another example? The series has always been willing to do unpleasant and gorey things. Not shying away from such things is a defining feature of what it is.But what if a director, who previously worked on the series, and was contractually awarded to do another episode, decided to film a big battle episode without any gore or blood? Suddenly his beliefs dictate that there be no blood or gore. So he films the battle in the same way old cheap cheesy westerns would be, with people falling over melodramatically with no blood or visible gore. It would be really distracting, because we’ve established the grittiness that the series has allowed in the past, and a sudden change to a goreless world would be incongruent. No one would be defending the director saying it’s his body and he shouldn’t be forced to shoot scenes in a way he doesn’t want to, and if you say otherwise you’re a misogynist who just wants to see his tits. Ah, nevermind. This is a much better example. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=15)