# Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345 "2016-05-08T22:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/281 "2016-05-12T10:23:50Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > They showed Ramsay let his eager hunting dogs tear apart that blonde girl after Myranda got jealous of her. Well, not _showed_ as in visible on screen. Exactly as shown as Sansa’s rape: We watched Reek watch it while we hear the sounds. > [@clairobscur](#): > > That’s precisely what I was thinking about. Anybody can kill anybody in the most gory ways conceivable, but there’s no way you’re going to see a dog doing as much as biting someone undeservedly. I was responding to [post 206](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19322283&postcount=206), where you listed the rape of Sansa as something that happened, then dog violence as something that didn’t. I was pointing out that both things happened exactly the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/282 "2016-05-12T10:33:43Z")
As violent as the show is, I think watching flesh getting stripped from bone on a live person + baby would definitely cross the line. Plus it would have to be done in CG, and it would be non-trivial to model. If the question is why don’t we get a tamer example of, say, a dog biting a person and latching on while blood pours, then the answer is we did, back in season 1, twice. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/283 "2016-05-12T11:10:52Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m guessing it’s pretty hard to train dogs to bite people in convincing, gorey ways without actually training them to be violent killing machines. I guess you can use CGI, but… why is this a problem? Why is not showing nudity a problem? For the same reasons. I _notice_ that they avoid showing dogs being harmed or harming. I _notice_ when the pack of hounds suddenly dissapears into thin air when Brienne attacks. Again the same thing as Danaerys covering herself with sheet when having sex with Daario. You leave the show to think about the artifices used to film it. Also, to be frank, because this dog violence censorship grates on my nerves, in the same way, again, you argued about nudity being treated as super special and different from everything else. While I’m at it, Jon’s loincloth was another example of distracting non-nudity. You couldn’t not notice that. And on a related topic, as noted above by another poster, the nightwatch being surprised by an army of wildlings led by a giant was ludicrous. Thay aren’t very good at their job, are they? To be frank, for various reasons, I had issues with the the believability of pretty much every single scene of episode 2, and a number of scenes from episodes 1 and 3. It doesn’t seem to me that I had such a hard time maintaining suspension of disbelief during the previous seasons. Is it me, or are the producers becoming more sloppy? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/284 "2016-05-12T11:38:19Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > If the question is why don’t we get a tamer example of, say, a dog biting a person and latching on while blood pours, then the answer is we did, back in season 1, twice. When the dogs were defending respectively Bran and Arya, right? Yeah, no doubt, dogs can be shown doing their heroic duty of guarding faithfully their master against an evil threat. That’s what dogs are expected to do on film. But they can do no wrong. And a good character like Brienne can’t harm a dog, either. Someone already gave a link to the “kick the dog” trope, it’s not like it’s a specificity of “game of thrones”, but in a show that doesn’t shy away from showing all sort of horrific events, it stands out. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/285 "2016-05-12T13:03:25Z")
With regards to ages…There were specific orders for a regent until Joffrey came of age. Those just got torn up and thrown away. Apparently with sufficient backing and enough will from the King, age doesn’t matter if the King is around 14-16. Hell they expected Joffrey to lead the GD army at Blackwater Bay. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/286 "2016-05-12T13:18:04Z")
I’m quite surprised that so many people are offended by Clarke’s non-nudity. Unless she agreed by contract that she would do nude scenes no matter how long the show lasted, she’s well within her rights to stop. I wonder if there is unused footage from the early seasons that they could have used, combining her current face with her body from back then. Also, in fairness, it’s not unbelievable that some women like to stay covered underneath sheets/blankets after sex due to feeling cold, etc… This does happen in real life too. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/287 "2016-05-12T14:13:55Z")
Since the discussion of Clarke, nudity, contracts etc. has gone on so long on what is otherwise supposed to be a thread about the episode “Oathbreaker,” I’ve started a new thread. I respectfully invite you to carry on any further such discussions there. Thanks! > **[Emilia Clarke, nudity, GOT, contracts, etc.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=792880)** > > There has been considerable, even interminable, discussion in this Game of Thrones show-only thread about Clarke’s refusal to do any more nude scenes: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=792608 Here is a thread for all such... ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/288 "2016-05-12T14:31:40Z")
nm- moved to other thread ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/289 "2016-05-12T15:29:19Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Yeah and now you mention it, I think that’s why the brothel scenes seem gratuitous. > > Not because we’re seeing tits, but because every adult\* prostitute is beautiful, young and horny. > Every time they do those whore selection scenes they may as well directly address the viewer each time they say “Well, how about this one…?” > > - Lucky I remembered to put in that constraint, don’t want to be put in the same box as Meryn… Personally, I thought it was an excellent way to add color to the exposition scenes, which can be kinda dull. ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/290 "2016-05-12T15:35:12Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yeah, but let’s face it … bran is a little flaky. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/291 "2016-05-12T15:42:11Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Yeah and now you mention it, I think that’s why the brothel scenes seem gratuitous. > > Not because we’re seeing tits, but because every adult\* prostitute is beautiful, young and horny. > Every time they do those whore selection scenes they may as well directly address the viewer each time they say “Well, how about this one…?” > > - Lucky I remembered to put in that constraint, don’t want to be put in the same box as Meryn… Except for the scene involving Arya when she was stalking someone on her naughty list and had gone undercover in a brothel to get him. There was a lineup of girls for him to choose from, but they were clearly terrified, because he was a sadist. So maybe the show is correctly portraying the normal feelings of the prostitutes toward someone who merely wants to have sex and a good time vs. a sadist? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/292 "2016-05-12T15:43:45Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I enjoy nudity as much as anyone, and I would love a world in which every beautiful woman let me see her naked, but I doubt very many people notice the use of camera angles to hide the absence of “real” nudity Oh, please. L-shaped sheets are an infamous staple of Hollywood nude scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/293 "2016-05-12T15:54:12Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > With regards to ages…There were specific orders for a regent until Joffrey came of age. Those just got torn up and thrown away. > > Apparently with sufficient backing and enough will from the King, age doesn’t matter if the King is around 14-16. Hell they expected Joffrey to lead the GD army at Blackwater Bay. It was only Ned Stark’s designation as Regent by Robert that got torn up and thrown away by Cersei. Cersei then had herself designated Queen Regent until Joffrey came of age. (This said, Joffrey is sometimes shown defying her, so it’s not clear how much power she has de facto.) The show doesn’t depict any King ruling in his own right at a very young age. It is clear that Tommen was older than Joffrey was when he took the throne, since he didn’t have a Regent. Joffrey was stated in the TV series to be 17 years old at the time of the Battle of the Blackwater, which would make him at least 18 at the time of his marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/294 "2016-05-12T16:17:35Z")
Oops. Ill just head over to that other thread. Don’t mind those previous three posts by me! ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/295 "2016-05-12T21:16:46Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Personally, I thought it was an excellent way to add color to the exposition scenes, which can be kinda dull. It would have been if it had been used once. But after half a dozen brothel scenes, it became laughable. And they could have added colour to those scenes by having them happening in other peculiar settings, giving clues about interesting aspects of the local culture besides life in brothels. The reason why they picked brothels is blatantly obvious, and it’s not an intent to make us discover Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/296 "2016-05-12T22:20:26Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Oh, please. L-shaped sheets are an infamous staple of Hollywood nude scenes. I have no idea how this is a response to what I said, which is that the bast majority of viewers will not take much notice of cutting away from Daenerys when she is supposed to be naked. It’s just not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/297 "2016-05-12T22:58:06Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The show doesn’t depict any King ruling in his own right at a very young age. It is clear that Tommen was older than Joffrey was when he took the throne, since he didn’t have a Regent. Tommen is 12 or 13. [He was 8 in season 1.](https://youtu.be/tj1UjDlmgx4?t=2m42s) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/298 "2016-05-12T23:06:37Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Tommen is 12 or 13. [He was 8 in season 1.](https://youtu.be/tj1UjDlmgx4?t=2m42s) Way ahead of you. 😉 See post #271. Tommen’s age has been retconned since season 1. He’s now around 17 or 18 at least. This is demonstrated by the fact that he doesn’t have a regent. He’s ruling in his own name, so he is legally of age in Westeros. Do you really think they would have hired a 17 year old actor to play someone who was supposed to be 12.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/299 "2016-05-12T23:19:12Z")
Yes? Older people play younger people routinely because they’ve got better honed acting skills. I heard something about it makes it legally easier for him to film scenes in bed with Margaery but that seems silly since they’re not even simulating sex. I think of Tommen as being 14ish. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/300 "2016-05-12T23:28:39Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yes? Older people play younger people routinely because they’ve got better honed acting skills. > > I heard something about it makes it legally easier for him to film scenes in bed with Margaery but that seems silly since they’re not even simulating sex. > > I think of Tommen as being 14ish. He’s not. Per Northern Irish law, any _character_ (not just actor) shown having sex must be at least 16 years old. I would also point out although some characters are portrayed as engaging in sex with underage girls, I don’t believe any have been depicted in bed with them or otherwise implying they are having or have recently had sex with them on screen. And again, if he’s 14, why doesn’t he have a Regent? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=16)