# Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345 "2016-05-08T22:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/301 "2016-05-12T23:31:42Z")
Is there somewhere that we’ve established what the legal requirements/options are on having a reagent? His character makes a lot more sense if he’s young. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/302 "2016-05-12T23:35:52Z")
I took the “law” to be once someone is of age or is married, they no longer need a regent. I’m guessing Tommen is 15-16. Have they really said how much time has passed on the show? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/303 "2016-05-12T23:39:00Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Have they really said how much time has passed on the show? Gilly gave birth in S3E03, and we saw her baby this episode. It was what, six months old? A year? Dragons grow REALLY FAST. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/304 "2016-05-12T23:49:12Z")
Tommen hasn’t been ruling on his own any more than Joffrey did. Cersei was acting as Queen Regent just like she did for Joffrey right up until he was arrested, then Pycelle sent for Uncle Kevan to take over as Lord Regent and Hand of the King. Granted it doesn’t look like the age of majority for Westerosi monarchs set in stone and the line between regent & advisor blurs a lot (just like in real life). Plus like enalzi said Tommen may have technically come of age simply by marrying Margaery; that also has real life precedent. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/305 "2016-05-12T23:49:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > He’s not. Per Northern Irish law, any _character_ (not just actor) shown having sex must be at least 16 years old. > > If he’s 14, why doesn’t he have a Regent? What does it mean to be shown having sex? I doubt that lying in bed without a shirt on counts as having sex. Or else I need to go to confession. The actor himself says [Tommen is 12](http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/game-of-thrones-tommen-who-will-rule-him.html). ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/306 "2016-05-12T23:53:06Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Gilly gave birth in S3E03, and we saw her baby this episode. It was what, six months old? A year? > > Dragons grow REALLY FAST. The timeline of that baby doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny I don’t think. Fat Walda got pregnant in season 5 and gave birth in season 6. Gilly’s kid should probably be 2-3, but I guess it’s hard to fill that roll? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/307 "2016-05-12T23:53:35Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > What does it mean to be shown having sex? I doubt that lying in bed without a shirt on counts as having sex. Or else I need to go to confession. > > The actor himself says [Tommen is 12](http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/game-of-thrones-tommen-who-will-rule-him.html). That interview is from last season. How much time has passed in the show? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/308 "2016-05-12T23:58:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That interview is from last season. How much time has passed in the show? Well, Walda announced her pregnancy in season 5 and she gave birth this season. Total is probably 6 months to a year. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/309 "2016-05-13T00:02:47Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Is there somewhere that we’ve established what the legal requirements/options are on having a reagent? His character makes a lot more sense if he’s young. While it hasn’t been directly stated on the TV show, my understanding (based on the Wiki) is that the age of legal majority in Westeros is 16. From the Wiki: > [@](#): > > Back in Season 1, Loras stated on-screen that Tommen is only eight years old. Four years pass by Season 5, which by this original number would make him only 12 on his wedding night - but when Tommen was recast for Season 4 with an older actor, his age was apparently retconned so that he is around 18 years old in Season 5. Other than retconning this one specific line from Season 1, however, it was indeed possible to increase Tommen’s age to around 18 without violating internal story logic (Tommen can’t be older than Joffrey would have been). There’s a lot more on the issue, but since some of it draws on non-TV sources I won’t quote it. There’s multiple lines of evidence that Tommen is supposed to be at least 16, and probably 17 or 18. - The casting of a 17-year old actor - Lack of a regent, while Joffrey had one at first - UK law on depiction of underage characters having sex - Even though they depict some very skeevy situations, GoT probably isn’t going to show a character who is supposed to be underage actually in bed just after having sex with an older character even if there’s no nudity or simulated sex. Even GoT has some limits. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/310 "2016-05-13T00:09:06Z")
Isn’t Kevan his King Regent? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/311 "2016-05-13T00:09:56Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Tommen hasn’t been ruling on his own any more than Joffrey did. Cersei was acting as Queen Regent just like she did for Joffrey right up until he was arrested, then Pycelle sent for Uncle Kevan to take over as Lord Regent and Hand of the King. Margaery goaded Cersei with the fact that she was no longer Queen Regent, and Kevan is not Regent either, but just Hand of the King. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/312 "2016-05-13T00:10:44Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Isn’t Kevan his King Regent? No. (Anyway, there’s no such thing as a King Regent. A male regent would be a Lord Regent. Kings are de facto Regent, Queens are only Regent in the absence of a king.) ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/313 "2016-05-13T00:14:50Z")
I thought Joffrey was ruling on his own as soon as he took the throne in the show. I don’t remember Cersei ever acting as Queen Regent. Maybe that happens later on, but when Joffrey first took the throne everyone deferred to him and he was all “I AM THE KING.” ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/314 "2016-05-13T00:26:40Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > I thought Joffrey was ruling on his own as soon as he took the throne in the show. I don’t remember Cersei ever acting as Queen Regent. Maybe that happens later on, but when Joffrey first took the throne everyone deferred to him and he was all “I AM THE KING.” As I said, Cersei was unable to control Joffrey very well. Robert’s will designated Ned Stark as Lord Protector (Regent) during Joffrey’s minority, but Cersei tore it up and had herself declared Regent. Apparently Tommen appointed Tywin Lord Protector when he succeeded Joffrey, but there’s been no mention of another Regent since Tywin’s death. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/315 "2016-05-13T00:30:07Z")
Well Kevan was wearing the hand of the king brooch and sitting at the head of the table during the small council meeting. They haven’t shown Tomnen doing anything related to running the kingdom, I assume the council are the ones doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/316 "2016-05-13T03:30:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well Kevan was wearing the hand of the king brooch and sitting at the head of the table during the small council meeting. They haven’t shown Tomnen doing anything related to running the kingdom, I assume the council are the ones doing that. The small council ran the kingdom while Robert and Joffrey were kings too. They do so whether or not there is a regent. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/317 "2016-05-13T04:17:24Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > He’s not. Per Northern Irish law, any _character_ (not just actor) shown having sex must be at least 16 years old. He was never actually shown having sex, just implied. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/318 "2016-05-13T08:07:38Z")
For what it’s worth, I figured on Tommen being 16 and Myrcella being 17, based on their appearance and recent actions and attitudes. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/319 "2016-05-13T08:16:05Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > And again, if he’s 14, why doesn’t he have a Regent? We don’t know what’s the age of majority in Westeros for kings. In France, for instance, it was 13. In fact, the king didn’t actually rule at such an age, the former regent, first minister, council of advisors or whatever were in charge, but technically, he could rule in his own right. And in such cases, when exactly he began to do so varied a lot, depending on circumstances, the interests and personality of the young monarch, the willingness of whoever was actually in charge to renounce to exercising power, etc… It doesn’t seem much different in Westeros. Tommen might be legally of age and technically ruling the kingdom while not actually doing so. But in fact, it seems to me that he isn’t more limited than Joffrey was. They were leaving the latter kill and humiliate people, but I don’t remember instances when he actually was allowed to decide about any matter significant for the kingdom. And personnally, I too perceive Tommen as being about 14. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/320 "2016-05-13T08:37:49Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > And again, if he’s 14, why doesn’t he have a Regent? We don’t know what’s the age of majority in Westeros for kings. In France, for instance, it was 13. In fact, the king didn’t actually rule at such an age, the former regent, first minister, council of advisors or whatever were in charge, but technically, he could rule in his own right. And in such cases, when exactly he began to do so varied a lot, depending on circumstances, the interests and personality of the young monarch, the willingness of whoever was actually in charge to renounce to exercising power, etc… It doesn’t seem much different in Westeros. Tommen might be legally of age and technically ruling the kingdom while not actually doing so. But in fact, it seems to me that he isn’t more limited than Joffrey was. They were leaving the latter kill and humiliate people, but I don’t remember instances when he actually was allowed to decide about any matter significant for the kingdom. And personnally, I too perceive Tommen as being about 14. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=17)