# Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345 "2016-05-08T22:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/21 "2016-05-09T02:53:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Not quite, Lord Bolton was the rightful lord. That was the King’s word, the north would certainly prefer a Stark but that doesn’t make them the rightful lords. I don’t know if I’d say that anymore. Of the houses we know of Bolton, Karstark, and Umber are in it together. Mormont, and probably Reed, would prefer the Starks. We’re unsure of the Manderlys. One of them was at the Red Wedding though, so perhaps they hate the Boltons. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/22 "2016-05-09T02:57:29Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I don’t know how many of you were aware of the existence of the subreddit [Fuck Olly](http://www.reddit.com/r/fuckolly), but they are positively _giddy_ right now. 😃 Magnificent, maybe they can all turn to getting rid of Ramsay next? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/23 "2016-05-09T03:32:22Z")
The Oathbreaker is Roose Bolton. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/24 "2016-05-09T04:54:05Z")
Ha ha, Cersei still not as smart as she thinks she is. Jon left alone. Very disgusted with everyone and everything. Do you think Davos, the Red Woman or any of the wildlings will follow? That Umber guy was funny as hell. But poor Rickon. I hope Ramsay tries his dirty tricks on Osha and she bites his dick off. Also, did Arya leave a name off her list? It did seem rather short. And did getting her sight back mean she is a girl? Jaquin did say she should have no fear is she is no one. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/25 "2016-05-09T05:16:01Z")
Your father was a cunt, lol. Man of a few words, Bran’s timeline thing. I remember him hearing his father say that he looked for lord Dayne at the trident, so I take it the mad king has already been overthrown. So the next thing I imagine we will see is young Jon Snow , being Lyanna’s kid with the mad king. Declan ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/26 "2016-05-09T05:18:09Z")
I think Arya left off Ilyn Paine (sp?), Ned’s executioner. IIRC the actor got cancer so they wrote the character out of the show. Also Merryn Trant (sp?) who killed her dancing master, but she crossed him off herself. i think Joffrey was on the list too before he died? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/27 "2016-05-09T05:39:37Z")
I was a little surprised they openly called it Sir Gregor. Thought they were keeping kayfabe on who or what that thing is… ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/28 "2016-05-09T05:54:43Z")
This back from the dead ploy is looking stupid IMO but the hanging was well done, I thought. I was afraid Jon would forgive the traitors. Arya’s story got more interesting again. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/29 "2016-05-09T06:14:15Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > So the next thing I imagine we will see is young Jon Snow , being Lyanna’s kid with the mad king. The theory is that Jon’s father was **Rhaegar Targaryen** , the Mad King’s son and heir. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/30 "2016-05-09T06:26:12Z")
I was very happy that Olly had a short drop noose, though maybe long drop wasn’t invented yet. Does this mean that Ned is a bullshitter? Because the conversation was that he took credit, right? I didn’t catch all of the Umber conversation, but sounds like Greatjon “the meat is bloody tough” Umber is dead? Did we see that happen, I don’t think so. The people left off of Arya’s list are mostly all dead, except Payne who I forgot about. Not sure how fast news travels and if there is someone dead that Arya may not have heard of in another continent. Like I’m sure she knows Joffrey is dead, but minor guys who she didn’t have a hand in maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/31 "2016-05-09T06:30:07Z")
My favorite exchange was the opening scene- Davos: “You were dead, and now you’re not. That’s completely fucking mad, seems to me. I can only imagine how it seems to you”. Jon: “I did what I thought was right, and I got murdered for it. Now I’m back. Why?” Davis: “I don’t know. Maybe we’ll never know. What does it matter? You go on, and you fight for as long as you can, you clean up as much of this shit as you can.” Jon: “I don’t know how to do that. I thought I did. I failed.” Davos: “Good. Now go fail again.” Ser Davos Seaworth, Onion Knight, Hand of the King, Life Coach ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/32 "2016-05-09T06:40:46Z")
I really like what they did with the Thorne character. They could’ve made him a coward, or made him too evil, but instead they created a very believable stubborn hardass who never betrayed his character and went out with a rebuke and his head held high. It was a fitting end. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/33 "2016-05-09T06:53:38Z")
Nice shout-out to a previous episode- Ser Arthur Dayne: “I wish you luck in the wars to come.” Very prophetic. And a couple of great lines- “I’m not a god.” “I know that. I saw your pecker. What kind of god would have a pecker that small.” and “A wise man once said the true history of the world is a history of great conversations, in elegant rooms.” “Who said this?” “Me. Just now.” ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/34 "2016-05-09T08:32:27Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > So the next thing I imagine we will see is young Jon Snow , being Lyanna’s kid with the mad king. > Declan Snow is the mad kings Grandson. Cersie and Jaimie and the Mountain left at the table cracked me the hell up. They both honestly thought they were just going to walk in and take over the conversation. I suspected that the Blindness was a part of the training, I did not expect Arya to get her sight back so quickly though. Regarding her list I wonder if the other girl who has no name expected to be on the list. WTF is Jon Snow going to do now? I am honestly confused about him just waltzing off into the sunset like that. I expect Sir Davos will bring him to his senses. He is still needed for narrative purposes at the wall or at least in the north. What is Tyrion up to with the message he intends to send I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/35 "2016-05-09T09:18:59Z")
Might be wishful thinking on my part but didn’t the [dog’s head](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/7/77/Shaggydog_dead.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160509040725) seem a bit small to be [Shaggydogs](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/05/Shaggydog.png/revision/latest?cb=20150404140634)? [Gray Wind’s head](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/e/e4/Robb_Wind.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160424165507) was much bigger. Hoping it’s one of Ramsays dogs having just finished their delicious Walda n’ Baby brand dog food and that the Umbers are plotting to get rid of the Boltons, possibly explaining why Smalljon wouldn’t bend the knee to Ramsay. Greatjon’s supposed demise could factor into this, we haven’t heard anything to suggest he was dead. Getting a bit bored with the ten minute Arya gets the shit beat out of her with sticks segment. Also, who the hell stripped Jon of the loincloth he had on last week? My money’s on Tormund. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/36 "2016-05-09T09:46:38Z")
RIP Shaggydog. ☹ > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > It’s funny, young Eddard is supposed to be Sean Bean 17 years before season 1. He totally looked the part, although his voice didn’t sound right to me. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Is the oathbreaker in the title supposed to be Jon? cause that’s kinda bullshit, the oath is very specific about ending when you die. I agree with the poster who said it’s supposed to refer to Roose Bolton, due to that conversation about how he bent the knee for Robb Stark. > [@lisiate](#): > > Magnificent, maybe they can all turn to getting rid of Ramsay next? Nah, Reddit loves Ramsay. Behold, [/r/Dreadfort](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreadfort/) (I do like their tagline: “Don’t hate the flayer, hate the game”). But it does seem like the hypothesized Snow Bowl is likely to happen now, with Jon walking off like that as Rickon shows up at Winterfell. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/37 "2016-05-09T10:35:28Z")
> [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > Nice shout-out to a previous episode- Ser Arthur Dayne: “I wish you luck in the wars to come.” Very prophetic. wierd thingto say to someone you are about to kill. Was he talking about some sort of Valhalla? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/38 "2016-05-09T11:27:59Z")
> [@Jackknifed](#): > > He’s not dead. I think his own father would behead him if he were still alive. And if Cercei had balls she’d be the King. > [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > There was that cryptic conversation of the sparrow with the king. Yeah WTF. Was that supposed to be in honor of Mother’s Day? “That’s funny…are you sure it’s still ‘you’ in there?” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/39 "2016-05-09T11:31:19Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > This back from the dead ploy is looking stupid IMO but the hanging was well done, I thought. I was afraid Jon would forgive the traitors. A scene in which the traitors who murdered their lord commander are hanged by the same man is certainly novel. ---
**Author:** ![Soulcatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Soulcatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soulcatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/40 "2016-05-09T11:53:34Z")
I think Rickon torture at the hands of Ramsay is very unlikely. I’m convinced that the Umbers and Karstarks are setting Ramsay up for some sort of Red Wedding-like betrayal. No evidence for this, but feels right to me. The North remembers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=3)