# Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345 "2016-05-08T22:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/61 "2016-05-09T16:27:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > If the Umbers were really on the Starks side giving up the last living male heir as a peace offering and sending in a single female wildling as a trojan horse makes zero sense. He would have just knelt and kissed the ring and waited for an opportune time to stab him in the back. There’s gotta be _some_ people on the show that take an oath seriously.😉 It also would be a lame plot device for the villain to lose one hostage (Sansa) only to immediately gain another (Rickon). That would just be pointless churning. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/62 "2016-05-09T16:28:00Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Might be wishful thinking on my part but didn’t the [dog’s head](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/7/77/Shaggydog_dead.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160509040725) seem a bit small to be [Shaggydogs](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/05/Shaggydog.png/revision/latest?cb=20150404140634)? [Gray Wind’s head](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/e/e4/Robb_Wind.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160424165507) was much bigger. Hoping it’s one of Ramsays dogs having just finished their delicious Walda n’ Baby brand dog food and that the Umbers are plotting to get rid of the Boltons, possibly explaining why Smalljon wouldn’t bend the knee to Ramsay. Greatjon’s supposed demise could factor into this, we haven’t heard anything to suggest he was dead. > > Getting a bit bored with the ten minute Arya gets the shit beat out of her with sticks segment. > > Also, who the hell stripped Jon of the loincloth he had on last week? My money’s on Tormund. If anything, Rammsay knows dogs, one look at the head and he knew it was a direwolf, hence Rickon. Now they could have dug up Lady, and Arya’s wolf is mia still. Declan ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/63 "2016-05-09T16:30:50Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I don’t know how many of you were aware of the existence of the subreddit [Fuck Olly](http://www.reddit.com/r/fuckolly), but they are positively _giddy_ right now. 😃 I liked Olly. He had all the reasons in the world to do what he did, on top of being influenced by the guard’s officers. Remember how nicely his parents were dispatched by the wildlings (eaten by them, even). He fought bravely at Castle Black despite his young age. He took a hard decision wrt Jon. Basically, it seems that many people hated him because he killed a murderous red-haired girl with nice tits. I’m about as happy about his death as I was about Shireen Baratheon’s death last season. I hoped to the end that he (or all the convicts) would be spared. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/64 "2016-05-09T16:31:19Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I hope next week instead of the past he shows Bran the movie _The Seventh Seal_. Maybe to test his mental stamina he’ll show him _Exorcist II_. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/65 "2016-05-09T16:33:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > If the Umbers were really on the Starks side giving up the last living male heir as a peace offering and sending in a single female wildling as a trojan horse makes zero sense. He would have just knelt and kissed the ring and waited for an opportune time to stab him in the back. Enter littlefinger… Rickon is the last blood heir, but the now freed from his oath Jon (insert last name), nee snow, is back in play. Technically to me, Rick would be the spare, as all he has is the name, rather than Jon who has the command of the nights watch and the wildlings. But yeah, I hope next week is the week we see Ian McShane. Is he a Manderly or what. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/66 "2016-05-09T16:36:29Z")
[QUOTE=clairobscur] I hoped to the end that he (or all the convicts) would be spared. [/QUOTE] Ser Alliser’s bravery and reasoning made it tough to take any satisfaction in his death. Reminded me a bit of the Nazi officer who is killed by the Jew Bear in _Inglorious Basterds_. I’m on the “Rickon and Osha are working with the Northern lords on a trap” side. I think the Maester is playing both sides, and since Walder Frey has been bound and determined to have a woman of his house made the queen or First Lady of the North and has been shown to get pissy when thwarted in the matter, there may even be a Frey attack from the south. > [@Colibri](#): > > Maybe to test his mental stamina he’ll show him _Exorcist II_. They’ve had enough torture scenes. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/67 "2016-05-09T16:40:19Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > From the POV of Ramsay, wouldn’t he simply want to kill him? Either that, or use him as bait for Theon, Jon and/or Sansa. Unless he’s an absolute idiot, he will keep him as an hostage. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/68 "2016-05-09T16:47:43Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Unless he’s an absolute idiot, he will keep him as an hostage. Ramsay can be an absolute idiot. Declan ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/69 "2016-05-09T16:56:47Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > I thought Gilly might be trying to tell him she was pregnant with his son. It was kind of awkwardly done either way… I suspected the same, in fact. > [@EllisDee](#): > > Okay, I had to rewind to listen again because this line was so jarring: > > Jaquen: If a girl tells me her name, I will restore her sight. > > Me? I?! What the hell happened to Jaquen? Hmmm…Didn’t notice that. And I doubt it could be a mistake. Someone was bound to notice the use of “I”, if only the actor himself. Interesting. > [@DigitalC](#): > > If the Umbers were really on the Starks side giving up the last living male heir as a peace offering and sending in a single female wildling as a trojan horse makes zero sense. Seems like an absurdly risky gamble, indeed. :dubious: > [@Sampiro](#): > > Anyone think she’ll go back to Meereen at the head of a khalasar? Hmmm? Seemed obvious to me since she met the Dothrakis last season. Maybe not specifically to Meereen (Tyrion and Varys must serve a purpose), but i’m certain she’ll be ruling the horde soon. > [@Declan](#): > > If anything, Rammsay knows dogs, one look at the head and he knew it was a direwolf, hence Rickon. Or killed another random direwolf that roamed in the north. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Ser Alliser’s bravery and reasoning made it tough to take any satisfaction in his death. Reminded me a bit of the Nazi officer who is killed by the Jew Bear in _Inglorious Basterds_. Except that Ser Alliser wasn’t an evil man. He always did his duty and what he thought best. If I were Cersei, I wouldn’t trust Qyburn too much. I don’t feel this guy can be relied on. I suspect he’s some sort of manipulator like Littlefinger. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/70 "2016-05-09T17:01:22Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > If anything, Rammsay knows dogs, one look at the head and he knew it was a direwolf, hence Rickon. Now they could have dug up Lady, and Arya’s wolf is mia still. With winter well advanced, you might also expect wild dire wolves to start appearing south of the Wall. The Umber’s seat of Last Heath is the farthest north of all, and they might see them first. It may not be one of the Stark wolves at all. This said, I’ve always wondered how the dire wolves’ mother managed to climb over a 700-foot wall. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/71 "2016-05-09T17:18:39Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder what Physical Challenge Daenerys will have to complete in order to remain one of the _Real Khalwives of Vaes Dothrak_, which she doesn’t want to do anyway. > Anyone think she’ll go back to Meereen at the head of a khalasar? Agreed. Daenerys is the queen of making lemons into lemonade. Her political husband was even murdered by the Sons of the Harpy in the very same incident that led her to be captured by the Dothraki. She’ll come out of this better than she went in, no doubt. > [@clairobscur](#): > > Unless he’s an absolute idiot, he will keep him as an hostage. As already noted, Ramsey can totally be an idiot. Or perhaps more accurately, he can’t fight his twisted nature for long. He was able to feign courtesy towards Sansa very briefly, but quickly slid back into being sadistic. That’s Ramsey’s major flaw: when he can satisfy a political goal and a sadistic one simultaneously, he does fine, but when he has to choose between politics and sadism, sadism wins. I suspect that he’ll try to do the political smart move with Rickon, but eventually his willpower will give out and he’ll go back to cruelty without regard for the consequences. Regarding the hanging: I thought there were way more than five conspirators in Jon Snow’s stabbing. I recall a group of around 10 people obscuring the “traitor” sign, even if it was only five that stabbed him. On that note: why did Jon execute the traitors right before resigning? Did he figure that they were going to get executed one way or another, and thought it best that he handle it himself instead of dropping it in his successor’s lap? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/72 "2016-05-09T17:22:47Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I don’t know how many of you were aware of the existence of the subreddit [Fuck Olly](http://www.reddit.com/r/fuckolly), but they are positively _giddy_ right now. 😃 All right, I admit it - I laughed, esp. at “Hey, Olly, how’s it hanging?” > [@Biggirl](#): > > …That Umber guy was funny as hell… > [@Declan](#): > > Your father was a cunt, lol… Loved the guy for his laconic quips, and his being both utterly unimpressed by Ramsay and obviously skeptical of the explanation of how Dear Old Dad died. (The actor looked a little like Daniel Day-Lewis, I thought). > [@Oakminster](#): > > I was a little surprised they openly called it Sir Gregor. Thought they were keeping kayfabe on who or what that thing is… That surprised me, too. The “Ser Robert Strong” _nom de guerre_ is just for others, I guess. > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > …Does this mean that Ned is a bullshitter? Because the conversation was that he took credit, right?.. Yeah, and that also surprised me. Ned didn’t seem the sort to brag about having dispatched a Kingsguard knight on his own; seems more likely he would’ve described exactly what happened to teach his boys that there’s no glory in war. > [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > …Ser Davos Seaworth, Onion Knight, Hand of the King, Life Coach Nice! ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/73 "2016-05-09T17:25:32Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > …This said, I’ve always wondered how the dire wolves’ mother managed to climb over a 700-foot wall. Maybe she swam (or dog paddled) around one of the ends? Or maybe quantum tunneling? 😃 ---
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Oh, one other thing I noticed is that they acknowledge a few times, and this episode they got fairly direct with it, that they’re waiting for these charges from the Faith Militant and the coming trial by combat. I’m still not clear what they’re waiting for exactly. This episode they also made mention of the Hound being “left for dead”…surely somebody knows what I’m getting at here 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/75 "2016-05-09T17:29:35Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Yeah, and that also surprised me. Ned didn’t seem the sort to brag about having dispatched a Kingsguard knight on his own; seems more likely he would’ve described exactly what happened to teach his boys that there’s no glory in war. Well maybe he figured “Howland Reed stabbed him in the back” made Reed look dishonorable. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/76 "2016-05-09T17:31:09Z")
I’m waiting for Chekhov’s dragons to escape from under the pyramid. Somehow I just know Tyrion’s going to ride one. The only reason I don’t subscribe to the Jon Snow as bastard Targaryen fan theory is his looks: Targaryens looked like Daenerys and her brother, almost albino. Cersei and Jaime perhaps, but there’s not really anybody around who could speak to their mother’s fidelity, plus they looked like Tywin. It was a plotpoint that all Barratheons are dark haired. Can’t think of how that would help, though. I was also surprised that the Frankenguard is now outright called Ser Gregor. Guess they decided to have at least one plot thread that isn’t drug out long after everybody has either figured it out or stopped caring. Did anybody catch [SNL’s sketch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vcQdcaYPA0) on Jon’s resurrection this weekend? The main takeaway is that former stick boy Pete Davidson has been working out. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/77 "2016-05-09T17:33:30Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Regarding the hanging: I thought there were way more than five conspirators in Jon Snow’s stabbing. I recall a group of around 10 people obscuring the “traitor” sign, even if it was only five that stabbed him. There were six shown stabbing him: the four who were hung plus two more. I count at least 15 in total in the group. Maybe the others were hung before the ringleaders. (However, it’s odd that someone low-ranking like Olly was hung along with the First Ranger, First Steward, and First Builder, unless his role as Jon’s steward made him especially treasonous.) ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/78 "2016-05-09T17:35:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Yeah, and that also surprised me. Ned didn’t seem the sort to brag about having dispatched a Kingsguard knight on his own; seems more likely he would’ve described exactly what happened to teach his boys that there’s no glory in war. Nah. I think it would have been considered pretty bad form for Howland Reed to have stabbed the guy in the back by surprise. I could see Howland relating the story as Ned killing the Kingsguard, and Ned probably just refused to ever confirm or deny it, and everybody just took it as “Ned bein’ Ned.” ---
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> [@robby](#): > > Maybe she swam (or dog paddled) around one of the ends? > > Or maybe quantum tunneling? 😃 IIRC, there’s a mountain range next to the Wall to the West – normally impassible by humans (and thus, effectively an extension of the Wall), but perhaps it’s passable by dire wolves. Of course, the head could also just be from a regular wolf, which are common throughout Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/80 "2016-05-09T17:37:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’m waiting for Chekhov’s dragons to escape from under the pyramid. Somehow I just know Tyrion’s going to ride one. > > The only reason I don’t subscribe to the Jon Snow as bastard Targaryen fan theory is his looks: Targaryens looked like Daenerys and her brother, almost albino. Cersei and Jaime perhaps, but there’s not really anybody around who could speak to their mother’s fidelity, plus they looked like Tywin. > > It was a plotpoint that all Barratheons are dark haired. Can’t think of how that would help, though. > > I was also surprised that the Frankenguard is now outright called Ser Gregor. Guess they decided to have at least one plot thread that isn’t drug out long after everybody has either figured it out or stopped caring. > > Did anybody catch [SNL’s sketch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vcQdcaYPA0) on Jon’s resurrection this weekend? The main takeaway is that former stick boy Pete Davidson has been working out. But those Targaryens are “pure” (i.e. from incest) Targaryens – both parents are Targs. Jon, if the theory is true, is half-Targaryen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=5)