# Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345 "2016-05-08T22:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/101 "2016-05-09T20:19:15Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Oh, one other thing I noticed is that they acknowledge a few times, and this episode they got fairly direct with it, that they’re waiting for these charges from the Faith Militant and the coming trial by combat. I’m still not clear what they’re waiting for exactly. This episode they also made mention of the Hound being “left for dead”…surely somebody knows what I’m getting at here 🙂 Yup, Clegane Bowl is coming! Jaime very specifically hyped it with his line, “that is one trial-by-combat I look forward to watching.” > [@Sampiro](#): > > Is this Jaquen the same Jaquen she saved from death at Harrenhall or has that been established? Jaqen\*, and I think the one at Harrenhall is supposed to have died at a later point, no? Either way he’s such a mystical figure, it’s always felt implied to me that it’s probably not really the same guy, but it matters not because he is no one. It’s just convenient to call him Jaqen so we have a name for him and because it’s obviously the same actor. Also folks, can we please stop misspelling Ramsay? It’s Ramsay, not “Ramsey” or “Rammsay”. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/102 "2016-05-09T20:56:35Z")
> [@Soulcatcher](#): > > I think Rickon torture at the hands of Ramsay is very unlikely. I’m convinced that the Umbers and Karstarks are setting Ramsay up for some sort of Red Wedding-like betrayal. No evidence for this, but feels right to me. The North remembers. From your lips to the Seven’s ears. > [@Enderw24](#): > > When Khal Drogo died, Dani the Khaleesi was a widow surrounded by his army. Most left to join other clans. But the loyal stayed on to march with her. > > Question: How is it that not a single person, from her internal group to one of the thousands of others, happened to say to Dani “oh by the way, you’re now supposed to live the rest of your life in a hut on a hill. Maybe we should take you there?” > > I mean, I guess the rest of the former queens, having grown up in the culture, already know about the rule and just go there. But I’m pretty sure a few would need to be gently reminded of their duty. > > Soooo…is this whole situation a retcon? Or just a conversation they conveniently skipped over near the end of Season 1? Well, don’t forget that her first act as head of her own diminished Khalassar was to step into the fire that was burning her husband’s corpse and a live witch, and to emerge the next morning from the ashes with three baby dragons. I’m going to say that that kind of thing takes you out of the standard career path. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/103 "2016-05-09T20:57:31Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > When Khal Drogo died, Dani the Khaleesi was a widow surrounded by his army. Most left to join other clans. But the loyal stayed on to march with her. > > Question: How is it that not a single person, from her internal group to one of the thousands of others, happened to say to Dani “oh by the way, you’re now supposed to live the rest of your life in a hut on a hill. Maybe we should take you there?” > > I mean, I guess the rest of the former queens, having grown up in the culture, already know about the rule and just go there. But I’m pretty sure a few would need to be gently reminded of their duty. > > Soooo…is this whole situation a retcon? Or just a conversation they conveniently skipped over near the end of Season 1? I thought the way it works is normally the Khaleesi has no authority once the Khal dies, but in Danerys’ case the remaining Dothraki all made her their ruler when she emerged from the fire unburnt and with dragons. So she didn’t have to go to Vaes Dothrak unless she wanted to. Of course, these other Dothraki don’t respect that. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/104 "2016-05-09T20:59:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The only reason I don’t subscribe to the Jon Snow as bastard Targaryen fan theory is his looks: Targaryens looked like Daenerys and her brother, almost albino. Yeah, but the theory is Jon’s mother is Ned’s sister, so maybe he gets his dark hair from the Stark side. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/105 "2016-05-09T21:28:57Z")
And it appears that in Westeros dark hair is a strongly dominant trait. Enough so that Ned was able to piece together the truth about Joffrey’s non-Baratheon heritage based on his hair color. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/106 "2016-05-09T21:38:45Z")
Jaqen and Yoda could have a conversation worth eavesdropping on. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/107 "2016-05-09T21:47:24Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Is this Jaquen the same Jaquen she saved from death at Harrenhall or has that been established? There is no Jaquen, he is one of the many faces they use. If one of them was likely to be the same one she saved it would be the one that drank poison after being wrong about her last season. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/108 "2016-05-09T22:10:52Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I think it comes down to Ned’s line from the first episode, about how the person who passes the sentence should be the one doing the execution. It occurred that scene foreshadows Ned’s ultimate destiny: in his eagerness to to be valorous and noble he executes two men who are telling the truth about why they fled and about what’s coming. In King’s Landing he is so eager to be valorous and noble that he brings about the deaths of Rober and himself and, with some help from his wife, causes the wars. [QUOTE=DigitalC] There is no Jaquen, he is one of the many faces they use. If one of them was likely to be the same one she saved it would be the one that drank poison after being wrong about her last season. [/quote] I wonder what The-entity-with-the-face-called-Jaqen was going to kill in Westeros before they got sidetracked by the wars and captivity. At that time it did not particularly matter who was killed so long as it was three. Apparently back home the faceless god is way more picky. A line said in the credits years ago that I keep expecting to be in the “Previously on” scenes because it’s too important to leave hanging: the Lannister gold mines having stopped producing. Can somebody please remind me what it is that Margery is accused of, btw? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/109 "2016-05-09T22:16:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Can somebody please remind me what it is that Margery is accused of, btw? Lying under oath essentially. She lied and covered for Loras. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/110 "2016-05-09T22:30:04Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > It occurred that scene foreshadows Ned’s ultimate destiny: in his eagerness to to be valorous and noble he executes two men who are telling the truth about why they fled and about what’s coming. It was just one deserter from the Night’s Watch, and Ned didn’t execute him because he thought he was lying. He executed him because he should have warned Castle Black. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/111 "2016-05-09T22:32:06Z")
I think the easiest explanation for Jaqen’s potential slip-up is that it would have been way too confusing if he was referring to both himself and Arya in the third person at the same time. As perfect assassins, faceless men presumably CAN use standard pronouns when they need to. Maybe they prefer not to when referring to themselves, but they sometimes need to… otherwise imagine the chaos when the faceless men are all at a restaurant trying to decide who ordered which dish, or what have you. I thought this was a big improvement over last week, which had left me somewhat worried about the season as a whole. The Arthur Dayne vs. 4 guys fight was spectacular and basically sold me on one-guy-is-so-good-he-can-take-on-four-at-once, which is usually ridiculous. I also came up with the theory that the whole Rickon thing may be a long con… wasn’t Greatjon Umber killed at the Red Wedding? If so, it’s hard to see that house ever making peace with any Bolton, but Ramsay is stupid enough to believe that they would let practicality overcome their honor. But actually risking Rickon getting tortured or killed is a HELL of a gamble. So fingers crossed. I thought the scene with Tommen and the High Sparrow was quite interesting, actually. The Sparrow is a fascinating character, and it’s nice to see that Tommen really seems to be thinking about his arguments. I don’t know if ZombieGregor is referred to as “Gregor” out in public. Just because no one on the small council is fooled doesn’t mean that it’s common knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/112 "2016-05-09T22:41:31Z")
“It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.” Buffalo Bill was a Faceless Man! And Hannibal takes off a man’s face in that… Hannibal is from Westeros too! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/113 "2016-05-09T22:44:01Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I also came up with the theory that the whole Rickon thing may be a long con… wasn’t Greatjon Umber killed at the Red Wedding? In the TV show he wasn’t present at the Red Wedding. His son tells Ramsay he has died, which Ramsay would already have known if he had been killed at the Red Wedding. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/114 "2016-05-09T22:49:06Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Lying under oath essentially. She lied and covered for Loras. So she can’t even confess and atone without fucking over Loras. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/115 "2016-05-09T23:30:26Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > On that note: why did Jon execute the traitors right before resigning? Did he figure that they were going to get executed one way or another, and thought it best that he handle it himself instead of dropping it in his successor’s lap? The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/116 "2016-05-09T23:36:53Z")
I can’t figure out the military situation in King’s Landing. Why have neither the Lannisters nor the Tyrells taken over the sept by force? Roose Bolton reminded Ramsay that the Lannister army was nothing like Stannis’ tired out and half starving men. So where is it? The war is over, no? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/117 "2016-05-09T23:42:11Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > I can’t figure out the military situation in King’s Landing. Why have neither the Lannisters nor the Tyrells taken over the sept by force? > > Roose Bolton reminded Ramsay that the Lannister army was nothing like Stannis’ tired out and half starving men. So where is it? The war is over, no? That’s the thing. The war is over, so most of the Lannister army went home. The Lannister’s own men are now led by Kevan, I guess. Kevan ain’t all about kicking people’s asses and taking revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/118 "2016-05-09T23:46:06Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > That’s the thing. The war is over, so most of the Lannister army went home. The Lannister’s own men are now led by Kevan, I guess. Kevan ain’t all about kicking people’s asses and taking revenge. Ah, that makes sense. I’m not sure why I assumed it would be a standing army. Still, the Sparrows don’t seem to be well-armed and there must be some sort of force in the city beyond the King’s Guard which is presumably rather small. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/119 "2016-05-09T23:48:12Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It was just one deserter from the Night’s Watch, and Ned didn’t execute him because he thought he was lying. He executed him because he should have warned Castle Black. Ned assumed he was crazy. Will was executed because the penalty for desertion is death. > [@](#): > > I can’t figure out the military situation in King’s Landing. Why have neither the Lannisters nor the Tyrells taken over the sept by force? Probably under the assumption that the hostages would be killed if the Faith were attacked. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345/120 "2016-05-10T01:05:02Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > …Also, who the hell stripped Jon of the loincloth he had on last week? My money’s on Tormund. I don’t know, but Ser Davos covered him up _way_ too quick. It’s bad enough they put a modesty cloth on him in the first place. > [@Soulcatcher](#): > > I think Rickon torture at the hands of Ramsay is very unlikely. I’m convinced that the Umbers and Karstarks are setting Ramsay up for some sort of Red Wedding-like betrayal. No evidence for this, but feels right to me. The North remembers… I’m really hoping it’s something like that; especially given Lord Umber’s dig at Lord Karstark. > [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > …Maybe the Many Faced God hasn’t got that bit of info, but if Jon is a Targaryen, seems like she would have got a whack for claiming him as a half brother… Though if Arya doesn’t know that then she’s not lying when she claim’s him as a half-brother. And I don’t think the object of the game is for her not to lie; it’s for the Girl to be convincing enough for the Waif not to be able to tell if she’s lying or telling the truth. > [@tim314](#): > > I thought the way it works is normally the Khaleesi has no authority once the Khal dies, but in Danerys’ case the remaining Dothraki all made her their ruler when she emerged from the fire unburnt and with dragons. So she didn’t have to go to Vaes Dothrak unless she wanted to. > > Of course, these other Dothraki don’t respect that. Same here. > [@DigitalC](#): > > So she can’t even confess and atone without fucking over Loras. Though if Loras dies she won’t have that problem. I wonder if the High Sparrow is really going to make Maergery do a Walk of Atonement? Her sins aren’t sexual in nature like Cersei’s or the previous High Septon’s and I had the impression that Maergery was actually somewhat popular among the smallfolk (unless Cersei who is & was despised). > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Probably under the assumption that the hostages would be killed if the Faith were attacked. Yes, they’re the only things preventing an all out war between the Sparrows and a combined Lannister/Tyrell army. Small wonder the High Sparrow is drawing out everyone’s trials for as long as he can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-03-oathbreaker-5-8-2016-show-discussion/754345.md?page=7)