# Game of Thrones 6.04 "Book of the Stranger" 5/15/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869 "2016-05-15T20:20:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/61 "2016-05-16T15:59:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Cersei has engineered things so that only Tyrell forces will be involved in the assault on the Sparrows, putting Margaery and Loras at risk. She’ll be overjoyed to see them both killed. I’m surprised Olenna doesn’t catch on to this. (But I wouldn’t put it past her that she does and has something else up her sleeve.) Yeah, Olenna is smart enough to know not to trust Cersei, but she might be desperate to prevent Margaery’s Walk of Shame. I can understand that, but at the same time, would it be anywhere near as damaging to Margaery as it was to Cersei? I get that it’s certainly a hit to her dignity, but doesn’t the populace mostly like her? For Cersei, it was a kiss of death because most people already hated her and wanted to see her humiliated. I could easily see most people simply staring silently during Margaery’s walk. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/62 "2016-05-16T16:07:02Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > They don’t have to follow Jon, they would follow Sansa, who is the eldest heir of the Starks and the legitimate lord of the North. She can appoint Jon her lord commander and thats that. AFAIK we’ve never been told that the Starks follow strict male primogeniture, or have we? Or even if they do have male primogentiure, she’s the regent since the oldest surviving male heir is under age or captured. Either way she should have no problem commanding the loyalty of the north under her own banner. Well, yeah, if both Sansa and Jon are available that’s ideal. They would probably follow either alone, though. Sansa gets Jon to agree to participate by saying she’ll go after the Boltons herself if he won’t. But Jon can lead the bannermen in battle, while Sansa (not being Brienne) can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/63 "2016-05-16T16:09:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well what are Olenna’s options? let the Lannister forces help? That is obviously right out of the question. So is letting Margaery do the walk of tits or Loras confess his sword swallowing. The reality is that Cersei would be fine with either outcome, but this is still the best move for the Tyrells. Olenna’s way is not confrontation but deviousness. If she has something up her sleeve it will be to spirit Margaerys and Loras out of the dungeons in advance and then slaughter the Sparrows once they are safe. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/64 "2016-05-16T16:12:11Z")
This was a great episode. It feels like it was the beginning of the end of the entire saga. Sticking by my prediction that the White Walkers destroy the Wall, overwhelm Castle Black and a part of the North and are defeated by Dany’s dragons. Thinking that in the South, the Tyrells lose to the Lanisters (unfortunately since I like the Matron of the Tyrells and they are one of the few “Good” families over all) but King’s Landing ends up under Dany’s control via an army of the Unsullied, Dothraki and Darrio’s mercs. Should be fun to watch. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/65 "2016-05-16T16:20:14Z")
Did I miss something? Is there any indication, other than Cersei’s say-so, that Margaery would ever do this walk? I don’t think she would, and it doesn’t look like the Sparrows are actually close to breaking her (though she seems to be playing them). So Cersei comes in, saying they’re about to have her do this walk (how would she know?) and Olenna walks right into her scheme? Eh. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/66 "2016-05-16T16:20:23Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The Dothraki are going to make terrible liberators of Mereen, because even if they ride in on horseback, defeat the masters and the Sons of the Harpy and free the slaves, the next thing they’re going to do is to pillage the city and rape all the women. As I remember, Dany got Khal Drogo killed when she insisted that his men not rape the women of some village they invaded. He then had to fight another Dothraki who was pissed that he didn’t get to rape the women. Was that all the Khals who died in the fire though? If it was, it might make the rest easier to lead. Still not going to go smoothly obviously, but she should still be able to get some accomplished. And maybe more if the dragons come swoop in. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/67 "2016-05-16T16:26:34Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Did I miss something? Is there any indication, other than Cersei’s say-so, that Margaery would ever do this walk? I don’t think she would, and it doesn’t look like the Sparrows are actually close to breaking her (though she seems to be playing them). So Cersei comes in, saying they’re about to have her do this walk (how would she know?) and Olenna walks right into her scheme? Eh. Well Tomnen was going to confess something to her than the High Sparrow told him that he was not supposed to tell anyone, it could be a lie but what else could Tomnen have told her? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/68 "2016-05-16T16:30:03Z")
> [@tonyfop](#): > > So, does this confirm the fealty of the Umber’s, or was Osha a loan wolf(snerk). My non-spoiler WAG is that they’re trying to play Ramsey but he’s a step or two ahead of them and Osha’s death was clearly not part of their plan. Hopefully there’s a long con. At this point an arrow to the heart or some other quick death is going to be completely unsatisfying for Ramsey. What _would_ be the best fate? Making him a blind crippled beggar unable to take his own life has some appeal. [QUOTE=Sir Prize] Tough Sisters Reunite with Wimpy Brothers [/QUOTE] He’s not Wimpy really- he’s a fierce soldier on the battlefield. It’s prison that has broken him, which it also did the anything-but-wimpy Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/69 "2016-05-16T16:34:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/70 "2016-05-16T16:36:40Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Did I miss something? Is there any indication, other than Cersei’s say-so, that Margaery would ever do this walk? I don’t think she would, and it doesn’t look like the Sparrows are actually close to breaking her (though she seems to be playing them). So Cersei comes in, saying they’re about to have her do this walk (how would she know?) and Olenna walks right into her scheme? Eh. I figured it happened off screen, that after Loras being so broken, Margaery said she would do the walk in order to protect him, and Cersei saying that was to let us know. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/71 "2016-05-16T16:38:02Z")
The Khal (I forget his name) who took Daenerys to Dosh Khaleen had at least two wives, and since the Dosh Khaleen temple is undergoing repairs it would be difficult to leave them there, so I’m wondering if they are going to be new characters. The child bride khaleesi is pretty clearly going to be. So I know she survived Drogo’s funeral pyre, but I assumed that was a one time deal due to magic stuff and dragons hatching. Have we established that Dany cannot be burned by anything? Not even touching hot metal? Is this new? The burning Dosh Khaleen somehow reminded me a bit too much of the helicopter hit that took out most of the NYC dons in Godfather 3. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/72 "2016-05-16T16:39:22Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > The Dothraki are going to make terrible liberators of Mereen, because even if they ride in on horseback, defeat the masters and the Sons of the Harpy and free the slaves, the next thing they’re going to do is to pillage the city and rape all the women. As I remember, Dany got Khal Drogo killed when she insisted that his men not rape the women of some village they invaded. He then had to fight another Dothraki who was pissed that he didn’t get to rape the women. > > Was that all the Khals who died in the fire though? If it was, it might make the rest easier to lead. Still not going to go smoothly obviously, but she should still be able to get some accomplished. And maybe more if the dragons come swoop in. Dany is trying to lead a “modern” state, one that doesn’t tolerate wanton pillaging, wholesale rape or the keeping of slaves. The problem is that these are endemic to the culture and economies of the places she is encountering (and really of the entirety of the time in which she lives. (And then there’s the fact that a truely modern state would have a freely elected leader, and not a monarch, even if she’s a badass.) ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/73 "2016-05-16T16:43:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The Khal (I forget his name) who took Daenerys to Dosh Khaleen had at least two wives, and since the Dosh Khaleen temple is undergoing repairs it would be difficult to leave them there, so I’m wondering if they are going to be new characters. The child bride khaleesi is pretty clearly going to be. > > So I know she survived Drogo’s funeral pyre, but I assumed that was a one time deal due to magic stuff and dragons hatching. Have we established that Dany cannot be burned by anything? Not even touching hot metal? Is this new? > > The burning Dosh Khaleen somehow reminded me a bit too much of the helicopter hit that took out most of the NYC dons in Godfather 3. Daenerys comfortably handled one of the dragon eggs that had been sitting in hot coals. One of her handmaidens panicked and grabbed it away from her and was immediately burned. As far as we’ve seen, she can’t be harmed by heat in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/74 "2016-05-16T16:44:38Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > What _would_ be the best fate? Making him a blind crippled beggar unable to take his own life has some appeal. Eaten alive by his own dogs would be appropriate. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I figured it happened off screen, that after Loras being so broken, Margaery said she would do the walk in order to protect him, and Cersei saying that was to let us know. The problem with Margaery confessing is that she then becomes a witness against Loras. And we don’t know if buggery is just punished by a Walk of Shame. It could be a capital crime to the Sparrows. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/75 "2016-05-16T16:52:55Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Daenerys comfortably handled one of the dragon eggs that had been sitting in hot coals. One of her handmaidens panicked and grabbed it away from her and was immediately burned. As far as we’ve seen, she can’t be harmed by heat in any way. In another scene, her bath water was really, really hot, but she had no problem with it. I think one of the handmaidens expressed surprise. I think she showed signs of this before the dragon eggs hatched. (I think she received the eggs in one of the first episodes, so I don’t know if she had this ability before she received them.) ---
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> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Daenerys comfortably handled one of the dragon eggs that had been sitting in hot coals. One of her handmaidens panicked and grabbed it away from her and was immediately burned. As far as we’ve seen, she can’t be harmed by heat in any way. She also bathed in scalding water, to the amazement of her handmaidens. ---
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> [@Sampiro](#): > > So I know she survived Drogo’s funeral pyre, but I assumed that was a one time deal due to magic stuff and dragons hatching. Have we established that Dany cannot be burned by anything? Not even touching hot metal? Is this new? I think in season 1 it was foreshadowed by her getting into a bathtub after being warned that it was too hot and would burn her- she got in and was fine. It does seem like we’re getting into the endgame with North. The protagonists are nearly all in one place and in one story. I am curious to see how the story in the south plays into the larger story. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/78 "2016-05-16T16:58:04Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Did I miss something? Is there any indication, other than Cersei’s say-so, that Margaery would ever do this walk? I don’t think she would, and it doesn’t look like the Sparrows are actually close to breaking her (though she seems to be playing them). So Cersei comes in, saying they’re about to have her do this walk (how would she know?) and Olenna walks right into her scheme? Eh. I agree that it’s a bit vague what’s going on, and who is lying to who, if anyone. From what we know, it does seem unlikely that Margaery has confessed and wants to do penance, because if she confesses (to perjury) then she condemns Loras, which as of this very episode she doesn’t seem at all close to doing. But we also don’t know what secret Tommen told Cersei. So… I guess we’ll watch and find out? (I wish I was confident that it would all 100% make sense once we learn the truth, but given some of the fairly careless plot twists already this season, I don’t think there’s any guarantee of that.) ---
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> [@Colibri](#): > > Eaten alive by his own dogs would be appropriate. Yes, I said a couple of weeks ago that Ramsay, long term, is dogfood. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869/80 "2016-05-16T17:32:11Z")
With all the secrecy around what Tommen told Cersei, I wonder if the High Sparrow lied to Tommen about the walk of shame, knowing it would get back to Cersei. And that it would trigger the nobles to try and act out to stop it? Or perhaps what Tommen told Cersei was completely different from what she told the council, and is part of a bigger plan of hers? It’s really hard to tell. Either way, I don’t see this ending well for the Tyrells. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-04-book-of-the-stranger-5-15-16-show-discussion/754869.md?page=5)