# Game of Thrones 6.05 "The Door" 5/22/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426 "2016-05-23T00:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/201 "2016-05-24T15:23:31Z")
I think the walkers are still waiting for the often predicted, but still doesn’t seem to show up, winter proper before attacking the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/202 "2016-05-24T15:39:06Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > I think the walkers are still waiting for the often predicted, but still doesn’t seem to show up, winter proper before attacking the wall. Yeah, winter has been coming for six years now. With an autumn that long, the winter itself will go on for decades. That reminds me of another anomaly. Castles and settlements in the North need to stockpile food for years to get through the winter. Yet Roose Bolton said Winterfell had enough food to withstand a siege of six months. It should have had enough to sustain a garrison for six years. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/203 "2016-05-24T15:47:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > In a fantasy world based on medieval England, you probably don’t want to use a word of West African origin. My point was that _wight_ and _white_ are homonyms, which leads to some people thinking that they’re _all_ White Walkers &/or that the terms are synonyms. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/204 "2016-05-24T15:50:23Z")
I assume that the White Walkers haven’t attacked the Wall yet because it would be futile (i.e. the Wall is magically impassible by them) – they’re waiting for some event that will bring down the wall or otherwise render its magic useless against them. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/205 "2016-05-24T15:50:27Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/206 "2016-05-24T15:51:30Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > nm Euron Greyjoy, the new King of the Iron Lands. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/207 "2016-05-24T15:53:16Z")
Iron Islands. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/208 "2016-05-24T15:56:38Z")
I think Jon’s joking “Don’t knock the wall down” to Ed before he left does not bode well the last stragglers of the Night Watch. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/209 "2016-05-24T16:18:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah, winter has been coming for six years now. With an autumn that long, the winter itself will go on for decades. > > That reminds me of another anomaly. Castles and settlements in the North need to stockpile food for years to get through the winter. Yet Roose Bolton said Winterfell had enough food to withstand a siege of six months. It should have had enough to sustain a garrison for six years. I presume that Roose Bolton’s army was much larger than the normal peacetime group of residents in Winterfell. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/210 "2016-05-24T16:20:04Z")
Is Ser Davos still unaware that the Red Priestess was responsible for the death of Princess Shireen ? If so, that’s going to be an awkward conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/211 "2016-05-24T16:23:42Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I was thinking the same. The impending attack on the Wall has been “impending” for a looooong time now. Yes, the White Walkers seem to be moving at a rather… glacial pace (I’m so, so sorry). Unlike the plot those last two episodes, though—I feel like I’ve already forgotten half the stuff that happened because it was so damn much! To think that just a couple of threads back, people were worried how events could possibly come to a close in the two seasons to come, while now, there’s already concern on whether they’ll have enough material to fill that time… But damn, what an impact that episode had. Hodor! The creation of the WW’s (granted, a little too rushed and random, perhaps)! Things actually happening with Bran (rather than Bran just watching things happen to others in the past, which was admittedly also interesting)! Just about the only thing I’m a bit ambivalent about right now is how much Bran is moving towards the cliché fantasy ‘Chosen One’-plotline—boy bad things happen to finds out he is really destined for greatness and to save everyone! I hope there’s some subversion of that tiredest of all fantasy tropes somewhere down the line. Also, the three-eyed raven played the part of the ultimately unhelpful mentor to perfection—you think he could just have mentioned at some point to stay away from the Night’s King in visions. That would’ve been real fucking useful information right there! But no, the Chosen One cannot ever be told how to actually do the stuff he’s been chosen to do, work his magics etc., because that would be just too damn sensible I guess. Oh, and somebody should tell the writers that for each Arya-training montage, god kills a puppy. Although I suppose that she’s ultimately destined to either kill the waif or be killed, in leaving the Faceless Men, so it kinda makes sense that we’re shown how much she’s not a match for her. (As long as she doesn’t realize on the brink of defeat that all she has to do is to Believe In Herself in order to finally win…) ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/212 "2016-05-24T16:26:07Z")
If marking Bran allowed the white walkers to enter the cave will it also allow them to pass beyond the wall? ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/213 "2016-05-24T16:26:18Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > I presume that Roose Bolton’s army was much larger than the normal peacetime group of residents in Winterfell. Probably Robb brought a part of the supplies with his army, too, and since then it’s changed owners twice, so it would be more surprising if they did have full stores. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/214 "2016-05-24T16:29:23Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > My point was that _wight_ and _white_ are homonyms, which leads to some people thinking that they’re _all_ White Walkers &/or that the terms are synonyms. Ok. You’re point wasn’t clear to me. > [@zimaane](#): > > I presume that Roose Bolton’s army was much larger than the normal peacetime group of residents in Winterfell. Maybe, but those troops would have had to come from somewhere else that was also stockpiling food. They presumably should have brought a lot of supplies with them. On the other hand, a besieging force would have had a lot of trouble bringing in food during winter, so maybe the ability to last six months was expected to be ample. We really haven’t seen very much on how the North gets through years-long winters. They would not only have to store enough food for humans, but enough hay and feed for all their domestic animals as well. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/215 "2016-05-24T16:35:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > We really haven’t seen very much on how the North gets through years-long winters. They would not only have to store enough food for humans, but enough hay and feed for all their domestic animals as well. They probably import food from the southern kingdoms. Based on what we’ve seen so far, it doesn’t seem to me that the Vale or the Stormlands would produce enough food to support their population either. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/216 "2016-05-24T16:47:22Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > They probably import food from the southern kingdoms. Based on what we’ve seen so far, it doesn’t seem to me that the Vale or the Stormlands would produce enough food to support their population either. Trading for what? The North doesn’t produce much that would be worth transporting to the south. There’s probably not a big market in Dorne, or even in King’s Landing, for furs. The Lannister’s Westerlands produce gold (or used to), but the North doesn’t seem to. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/217 "2016-05-24T16:50:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yeah, winter has been coming for six years now. With an autumn that long, the winter itself will go on for decades. > > That reminds me of another anomaly. Castles and settlements in the North need to stockpile food for years to get through the winter. Yet Roose Bolton said Winterfell had enough food to withstand a siege of six months. It should have had enough to sustain a garrison for six years. > [@zimaane](#): > > I presume that Roose Bolton’s army was much larger than the normal peacetime group of residents in Winterfell. Yes to both points, but the Boltons aren’t thinking about surviving winter, they’re thinking about holding The North. Most of Westoros has been in serious trouble ever since the War of the Five Kings started. It’s caused so much chaos and consumed so many resources that most people have been unable to prepare for winter. Farmers and provisions being diverted to the war effort, widespread pillaging by bandits due to the political chaos, and most of the smart leaders either dead or gone to Essos. Most of the leaders are just fighting for control of the depopulated ice cube, whether they know it or not. I think the “happiest” ending we’re likely to get out of this story is: [ol] [li]White Walkers defeated[/li][li]Westoros experiences a mass extinction event and maybe gets resettled by the Wildlings (the only people with experience surviving in such conditions without preparation)[/li][li]Essos is mostly ok, Daenerys ends the slave trade and rules benevolently[/li][li]Tyrion becomes Daenerys’ Secretary of Drinking and Knowing Things\*[/li][/ol] \*I’d have added “whoring” to Tyrion’s title, but it seems like he’s lost the taste for that after Shea. > [@zimaane](#): > > Is Ser Davos still unaware that the Red Priestess was responsible for the death of Princess Shireen ? If so, that’s going to be an awkward conversation. Ser Davos is still unaware of the specifics of Shireen’s death. He started to press Melisandre for information in S6E4, but was interrupted by Brienne. I always suspected that Davos would learn the truth and kill Melisandre. The inclusion of that scene, and the introduction of the Red Priestess in Mereen make this nearly a foregone conclusion. Probably before the big battle at Winterfell, so it’s crystal clear that if Jon dies again, he’s dead for good. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/218 "2016-05-24T16:59:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Trading for what? The North doesn’t produce much that would be worth transporting to the south. There’s probably not a big market in Dorne, or even in King’s Landing, for furs. The Lannister’s Westerlands produce gold (or used to), but the North doesn’t seem to. Maybe they didn’t even have to trade, up until recent events the whole continent was one big kingdom. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/219 "2016-05-24T17:07:48Z")
QUOTE=DigitalC;19354146]Maybe they didn’t even have to trade, up until recent events the whole continent was one big kingdom. [/QUOTE] You really think they had some sort of income tax and a mechanism to redistribute wealth among the ex-kingdoms? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/220 "2016-05-24T17:11:33Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Maybe they didn’t even have to trade, up until recent events the whole continent was one big kingdom. Sorry, this makes no sense. Why would that mean they didn’t have to trade? Would Florida send oranges to New York if they didn’t get something in return.:dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426.md?page=12)