# Game of Thrones 6.05 "The Door" 5/22/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426 "2016-05-23T00:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/241 "2016-05-24T20:48:49Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Where would they do that? The _Westeros Times_? Or perhaps go the more academic route with the _Westerosi Journal of Science and Medicine_? They have very inefficient communication media in this world, and the closest thing to a center of learning and knowledge that we know of has to be the Maester’s citadel in Oldtown. So maybe Jorah will go there. Maybe he’ll meet Sam and Ghilly. Maybe Sam will find the cure! > > … Pretty much exactly that, yeah. Send a raven to the Citadel, let them disseminate it. Fuck, send ravens to every major kingdom and let them tell the people. Westoros may not have the printing press, but ravens are a vastly more efficient means of communication than anything we had when we were at their level of technological development. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/242 "2016-05-24T21:28:44Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > There kind of is, in that we haven’t seen anything supernatural happening with any followers of the Old Gods or The Seven. The magic of the people of the forest (which created White Walkers) and the three eyed raven (time travel kinda) seem related to the heart trees, which are related to the worship of the old gods. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/243 "2016-05-24T21:36:21Z")
[Gilly as a hippie chick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M592zuu7BY#t=1m53s) Also at 1:13 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/244 "2016-05-24T22:01:18Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > However things turn out, surely we can all agree the ongoing misery that is the Iron Islands storyline is pointless, stupid, and boring? I think this would be a wonderful thread of its own (nice rant, btw): things about GoT that you hate. Despite loving it, etc…plot holes, horrible characters, glaring inconsistencies, pointless story lines. In a nod to Silicon Valley: every post would have to start with “Game of Thrones is totally awesome, but…” which would get abbreviated to GOTITAB. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/245 "2016-05-24T22:03:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > However things turn out, surely we can all agree the ongoing misery that is the Iron Islands storyline is pointless, stupid, and boring? > > Honestly, why this is not completely removed from the story I cannot begin to imagine. There is nothing about it you need anymore; Theon Greyjoy could have been killed at any one of a dozen points now, the Iron Islands forgotten, and the story in general would clip along at a much nicer pace. > > I’ll grant it’s a fantasy story but the continued absurdity of what appears to be never more than eighty people at a time on a few islands you can get across with maybe four good shots of your 5-wood constituting a “kingdom” was always bad. What was worse still was when Newguy Greyjoy shows up and somehow claims the throne by announcing he’ll build a thousand ships, because, I guess, he is the first person in the history of this maritime power to think it might be cool to have a lot of ships. He presents the imbecilic idea of selling thier services to Danaerys Targaryen, a promise roughly equivalent to someone being elected Prime Minister of the United Kingdom by promising to quadruple the size of the Royal Navy and then use it to help out the strongman who just took control of Bangladesh to invade and conquer Europe. And then, after being sort of “elected” King - this was my favourite part - he and all his friends, of whom there appear to be maybe forty, set out to murder Theon and his sister, who run away with all the ships - a number of ships that appeared to be in the dozens, meaning Theon’s sister had, what, 400 followers at least? 600? More? Why did all those people run away from Newguy Greyjoy and his 40 people? Didn’t someone look back and say “Hey, hey, wait a minute here… there’s hundreds of us and forty or fifty of them. Should we go back and hold a recount? Or maybe just hang them?” Of course, meanwhile, Newguy Greyjoy orders them to cut down every tree on islands that appear to have no trees at all and waste all their other time making ropes and sails despite the fact that the islands don’t seem to have a functioning economy and it’s hard to tell how they stay alive, and incidentally they just lost a war rather convincingly, but hey, if at first - er, second, I guess - you don’t succeed, try try again, right? They must be pretty short of soldiers and supplies but no one mentions that. Do we have to look at these miserable, fishy-smelling, damp, black-clad idiots again? Why? > > And if they do someone sail all their goddamn ships halfway around the known world to Mereen, why would Danaerys Targaryen care? Nice boats you have there, but see, I just used my giant army to take back these other cites and now I have thier boats. Or I’ll build my own damn boats, I rule an entire region of Essos. Or buy them; there appear to be many ships in that area of the world. Greyjoy who? Who are you again and why do you smell like fish and shit? Here, let my dragon eat you. Munch munch. From reddit: [House Greyjoy is the worst House in Westeros](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4k95fl/spoilers_extended_cmv_house_greyjoy_is_the_worst/). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/246 "2016-05-24T22:10:48Z")
Did anyone else notice that Jaqen H’ghar referred to the waif as “she”, instead of “a girl”? This was either (a) a clue into the mysterious inner workings of the Faceless Men; or (b) a screw-up by the writers. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/247 "2016-05-24T22:15:40Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Did anyone else notice that Jaqen H’ghar referred to the waif as “she”, instead of “a girl”? > > This was either (a) a clue into the mysterious inner workings of the Faceless Men; or (b) a screw-up by the writers. It’s neither. They’re allowed to use pronouns. It was commented in a recent episode about Jaqen also referring to himself as I/me. I don’t always eschew pronouns, but when a man does, a man sounds more mysterious and edgy. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/248 "2016-05-24T22:23:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > From reddit: [House Greyjoy is the worst House in Westeros](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4k95fl/spoilers_extended_cmv_house_greyjoy_is_the_worst/). That thread’s attempt to map Game of thrones characters with their equivalents from \*The Wire \*is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/249 "2016-05-24T22:25:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > From reddit: [House Greyjoy is the worst House in Westeros](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4k95fl/spoilers_extended_cmv_house_greyjoy_is_the_worst/). I loved how “lets just make a shit ton of ships and quit sucking” was not an idea anyone had come up with before. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/250 "2016-05-24T22:35:07Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > It’s neither. They’re allowed to use pronouns. It was commented in a recent episode about Jaqen also referring to himself as I/me. > > I don’t always eschew pronouns, but when a man does, a man sounds more mysterious and edgy. Hmmmph. I demand consistency in my fantasy death cults. [Tolkien wouldn’t have let that slip-shod stuff slide…he would’ve spent a year documenting Syntax of the Faceless Men in excruciating detail before putting pen to paper] 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/251 "2016-05-24T22:43:28Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Hmmmph. I demand consistency in my fantasy death cults. > > [Tolkien wouldn’t have let that slip-shod stuff slide…he would’ve spent a year documenting Syntax of the Faceless Men in excruciating detail before putting pen to paper] > > 😉 It would just make things too awkward and clumsy if they _never_ used pronouns. Imagine a conversation involving three (or more) people! “A man thinks a girl has a point about another girl.” I think of it more as something they do when they’re emphasizing their nobodiness. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/252 "2016-05-24T22:45:58Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > It would just make things too awkward and clumsy if they _never_ used pronouns. Imagine a conversation involving three (or more) people! > > “A man thinks a girl has a point about another girl.” > > I think of it more as something they do when they’re emphasizing their nobodiness. Which is probably precisely why it happened – there were 3 people in the room at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/253 "2016-05-24T23:18:58Z")
I could see Monty Python doing a Faceless Men skit. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/254 "2016-05-24T23:23:19Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I could see Monty Python doing a Faceless Men skit. That could be brilliant. I could see it winding up sounding a lot like “Who’s On First?” ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/255 "2016-05-24T23:51:45Z")
> [@troub](#): > > The marriage bit, though :dubious: As someone mentioned it upthread, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Yara and Theon end up stealing that idea. What else are they going to do? All the previous times they tried to take over land by themselves, they couldn’t do it. They need to team up with somebody. How are they going to convince someone into marriage with zero dicks between them? I guess Yara could marry someone, but Westeros culture, being what it is, would probably mean the new husband would be in charge. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/256 "2016-05-25T00:22:39Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > How are they going to convince someone into marriage with zero dicks between them? I guess Yara could marry someone, but Westeros culture, being what it is, would probably mean the new husband would be in charge. Dany can’t have children and already has a favorite dick, so lack of a dick is no impediment. Might even be considered a plus. ---
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That scene where the Iron Islanders look out over the water at all the ships and exclaim “They took the best ships!” confused me. I rewound and watched it again, then again in slow motion. I saw no motion on most of the ships. My conclusion is that they took maybe three ships, and all the rest of the ships we saw in that shot were just in their normal positions. It was the bay near shore that was empty due to the stolen ships being gone. Convince me otherwise, because I found that whole thing confusing and frustrating. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/258 "2016-05-25T00:43:21Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Dany can’t have children and already has a favorite dick, so lack of a dick is no impediment. Might even be considered a plus. Dany can’t have children? I mean, we all know that she miscarried Drogo’s child, but is it established that she can’t have another? Though I will admit to being curious about what sort of contraception she employs during sexy time with toyboy Daario. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/259 "2016-05-25T00:45:26Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > There kind of is, in that we haven’t seen anything supernatural happening with any followers of the Old Gods or The Seven. The only religious practitioners that clearly have mystical powers are the followers of R’hllor, and to a lesser extent the Faceless Men (their main thing seems to be the face trick; albeit still a cool trick). But R’hllor’s followers have demonstrated unambiguous supernatural powers that nobody else has. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > The magic of the people of the forest (which created White Walkers) and the three eyed raven (time travel kinda) seem related to the heart trees, which are related to the worship of the old gods. The Children of the Forest were the original followers of the Old Gods, and the religion was then adopted by the First Men. The Children obviously have supernatural powers and this is related to the Old Gods and the weirwood trees. The Lhazareen witch also showed supernatural powers in cursing Drogo and Dany’s baby through Blood Magic. The Warlocks of Quarth have supernatural powers but it’s not clear what religion they practice if any. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/260 "2016-05-25T00:54:34Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That scene where the Iron Islanders look out over the water at all the ships and exclaim “They took the best ships!” confused me. I rewound and watched it again, then again in slow motion. I saw no motion on most of the ships. > > My conclusion is that they took maybe three ships, and all the rest of the ships we saw in that shot were just in their normal positions. It was the bay near shore that was empty due to the stolen ships being gone. > > Convince me otherwise, because I found that whole thing confusing and frustrating. I took it to be that the ships in the shot aren’t normally there, so he knew that they were being stolen. I expect that you wouldn’t be able to see much motion at that distance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426.md?page=14)