# Game of Thrones 6.05 "The Door" 5/22/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426 "2016-05-23T00:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/101 "2016-05-23T16:21:19Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I was just about to comment on this. I literally laughed aloud when he gave her ‘the look’ as they were getting ready to ride out. 😃 His smile made my wife and I laugh too. Of course he likes a strong woman. She’s his type for sure. To him, she’d be a MILF(mammal I’ve learned to fear). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/102 "2016-05-23T16:27:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > His smile made my wife and I laugh too. Of course he likes a strong woman. She’s his type for sure. To him, she’d be a MILF(mammal I’ve learned to fear). On the other hand, he isn’t her type at all. She goes for a Renly. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/103 "2016-05-23T16:39:12Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > \ Oh, and it was touching to see Dany tear up over Jorah. He can be a tool sometimes but it was nice to see that she cares. Also, isn’t his best first shot at finding a cure to talk with Tyrion? Am I correct in thinking that poor crispy Shireen was the only person ever known to have been cured? Maybe not 100% cured because she still bore visible scales but at least the progress of her disease was halted. So wouldn’t Jorah’s best shot be to seek out the sages who advised Shireen’s parents? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/104 "2016-05-23T16:40:44Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > On the other hand, he isn’t her type at all. She goes for a Renly. But of course Tormund is used to being around strong fighting women. By most Westeros people Brienne is seen as a bit of a freak. I could see Tormund maybe winning her over, if he stops staring at her weirdly so often. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/105 "2016-05-23T16:42:52Z")
Bran’s actions did seems almost comically reckless. But given the three-eyed-raven’s reaction, it definitely seemed like he was expecting it to happen. Certainly, as others have mentioned, if he was worried that Bran would be touched by the Night King he could have given him super-explicit warnings. Maybe Bran had to be touched by the Night King to set off the chain of events that have a chance of eventually leading to victory over the White Walkers. And whatever Bran did to Hodor, it didn’t seem either premeditated or intentional. And if someone shows up in the nick of time to rescue Meera and Bran, it doesn’t have to be a crazy coincidence, because of Bran and three-eyed-raven powers. Pretty much anything can happen in his storyline without it being a coincidence. I really enjoyed this episode, although I feel like all of the storylines are a bit rushed. On the other hand, there may be no other way for the series to ever actually come to a conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/106 "2016-05-23T16:43:52Z")
> [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > Am I correct in thinking that poor crispy Shireen was the only person ever known to have been cured? Maybe not 100% cured because she still bore visible scales but at least the progress of her disease was halted. So wouldn’t Jorah’s best shot be to seek out the sages who advised Shireen’s parents? “Only” might be a bit strong. Certainly, she seems to have been an unusual case, given what little we know of the disease. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/107 "2016-05-23T16:52:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s never made any sense for Arya to continue to try to be a Faceless Man once she found out she wasn’t able to pick her targets. She presumably joined them in the first place so she would be better able to carry out her revenge. Why would she ever want to be a professional assassin murdering people at random (from her viewpoint)? Because she still thinks she can fool them i assume. That whole “training” session with the waif asking her questions and smacking her in the face when she told a lie, the only thing that trains her to do is to lie better. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/108 "2016-05-23T16:53:41Z")
When they pulled Euron out of the water and he just laid there on the ground, I couldn’t help but imagine everyone just shrugging and saying, “Ok, let’s go with _her_, then.” I’m surprised there’s any lumber at all on Pyke, let alone enough for 1,000 ships. Starting to get mighty pissed about the Direwolf situation. The three-eyed crow said it was time for Bran to become him, or some such. I take this to mean sort of take over for him; meaning he was doing more all those years than just hanging out in his cave…I wonder if his “job” or mission was to try to influence the future by changing the past, ie. instances we’ve seen or heard about where people hear voices or things happen mysteriously or by “magic” – could it actually have been _him_ trying to exert some influence. Though that could get too weird. But I do wonder what it is he’s been up to. The revelation of the Children of the Forest being the creators of the White Walkers, while far too brief and undetailed, gives a bit of support for my favorite theory; that humans are the bad guys and the wall was built to protect the rest of the world from _them_, rather than the other way around. Though this episode certainly makes it kinda hard in any context to see the WW as actually the “good” guys. Maybe they got corrupted over the years…? Lots of interesting stuff to think about this week, lots of development, but the pace is starting to feel rushed. It’s exciting, but if the next episode is as dull and uneventful as the preview for it, I’m going to wish they spread the pacing out a bit. That said, maybe the crappy preview was because there’s so much awesome stuff next week showing any of it would give too much away. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/109 "2016-05-23T17:01:16Z")
> [@Pasta](#): > > I particularly like that the trips to the past are obeying paradox-free rules of time travel (in a most heartbreaking way tonight). They’re paradox-free in the sense that the future doesn’t (apparently) change the past. But it’s certainly a paradox of sorts that Bran is only able to warg into Hodor because Hodor is simple-minded, when Bran was the one who made him simple-minded in the past. He would’t have been able to make the young Hodor simple-minded unless the adult Hodor had already been simple-minded. I think. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/110 "2016-05-23T17:01:31Z")
> [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > Am I correct in thinking that poor crispy Shireen was the only person ever known to have been cured? Maybe not 100% cured because she still bore visible scales but at least the progress of her disease was halted. So wouldn’t Jorah’s best shot be to seek out the sages who advised Shireen’s parents? Pretty sure she was cured but the scales persisted as a scar. The disease wasn’t just halted, she was no longer infectious. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > “Only” might be a bit strong. Certainly, she seems to have been an unusual case, given what little we know of the disease. Shireen the only one we know of, and nobody seems to know what exactly did the trick. If there was an expensive or rare cure available, Stannis would have been advised to use it, since he had the resources. Instead, he was advised to send her to live with the stone men, but instead he tried everything he possibly could. Something worked, but it sounded like nobody was really sure what it was. I loved the Daenerys/Jorah scene in this episode, but it felt to me like the Daenerys was mostly just forgiving Jorah. I don’t think that Daenerys actually expects him to find a cure and return to her. She ordered him to do so as a way of giving him hope, and showing him that she forgave his past treachery. Instead of letting him go off into the forest to die, she gave him one final mission, letting him go out as her loyal servant instead of a rabid dog. I suspect that Jorah’s story is drawing to a close. It would clash with GoT’s tone for him to stumble upon Shireen’s cure given that the only people who could point him towards it are dead. At most, he’ll probably do one or two more things to move the plot along, and then go out in some heroic way. The scene was also interesting in that it once again showed Daenerys’ preference to rule from emotion rather than logic. Tyrion was probably right that she shouldn’t keep Jorah around from a tactical standpoint, but she was ready to take him back anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/111 "2016-05-23T17:21:15Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > It would clash with GoT’s tone for him to stumble upon Shireen’s cure given that the only people who could point him towards it are dead. Except for Davos, who began his service to Stannis before Shireen’s birth. But Davos is a long way away. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/112 "2016-05-23T17:30:16Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Except for Davos, who began his service to Stannis before Shireen’s birth. But Davos is a long way away. True, but if Davos or anyone else knew what cured grayscale, wouldn’t someone have publicized it? I dunno, I think it’s more likely that Jorah runs into one of the Red Priests, who recognize that he’s important somehow, and magically cure him because he needs to continue serving Daenerys. Not that I think that’s likely. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/113 "2016-05-23T17:33:45Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > True, but if Davos or anyone else knew what cured grayscale, wouldn’t someone have publicized it? I dunno, I think it’s more likely that Jorah runs into one of the Red Priests, who recognize that he’s important somehow, and magically cure him because he needs to continue serving Daenerys. Not that I think that’s likely. From my recollection of the story Stannis told, he called for every expert (Maester, priest, sorcerer, etc.) to try and heal Shireen, so no one probably knows exactly what it was that healed her – it could have been any of the healers, or a combination of some of their treatments, or even some unusual environmental circumstance on Dragonstone. Maybe all the healers left and told stories that their treatment was the one that worked, but since most of them were wrong (and maybe even the one who was right also had luck on his/her side, and it didn’t work the next time they tried it), the claim lost its power after a few years. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/114 "2016-05-23T17:34:23Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > \ It would clash with GoT’s tone for him [Jorah] to stumble upon Shireen’s cure given that the only people who could point him towards it are dead. \ Stannis and Mrs. Stannis are in dodosville, sure, but what about Red Woman #1? She might have had a hand in Shireen’s therapy. If she didn’t, she probably could steer Jorah towards a healer. Though Jorah better consult her soon, because Ser Davos is going to find out any day now what happened to Shireen. I think that’s why we’ve met RW #2, because #1 is not going to survive the wrath of Davos. Another thought: was there a maester in Stannis’s stronghold? If there was, then that’s another potential source of info that might benefit Jorah. (Me, I’m glad to have Web MD.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/115 "2016-05-23T17:36:17Z")
> [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > Stannis and Mrs. Stannis are in dodosville, sure, but what about Red Woman #1? She might have had a hand in Shireen’s therapy. If she didn’t, she probably could steer Jorah towards a healer. Though Jorah better consult her soon, because Ser Davos is going to find out any day now what happened to Shireen. I think that’s why we’ve met RW #2, because #1 is not going to survive the wrath of Davos. > > Another thought: was there a maester in Stannis’s stronghold? If there was, then that’s another potential source of info that might benefit Jorah. (Me, I’m glad to have Web MD.) Stannis had a Maester who died (IIRC) in episode 1 or 2 of Season 2, by trying to poison Melisandre (and ending up poisoning himself). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/116 "2016-05-23T17:42:08Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > True, but if Davos or anyone else knew what cured grayscale, wouldn’t someone have publicized it? I was just pointing out the statement that everyone who could “point him in the right direction” was dead was incorrect. Davos could at least know which healers tried to cure it, even if he doesn’t know exactly what worked. But I agree that it’s unlikely for Davos and Jorah to cross paths anytime soon. > [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > Stannis and Mrs. Stannis are in dodosville, sure, but what about Red Woman #1? She might have had a hand in Shireen’s therapy. It appears that Melisandre was a rather recent arrival in Stannis’s household. She was actually brought in by his wife, who was a disciple of the Lord of Light, at least in part because she was unable to give Stannis sons. > [@](#): > > Another thought: was there a maester in Stannis’s stronghold? If there was, then that’s another potential source of info that might benefit Jorah. (Me, I’m glad to have Web MD.) Dragonstone’s maester Cressen tried to assassinate Melisandre by putting poison in the wine. He drinks it and induces her to do the same. He dies almost immediately while she is unaffected. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/117 "2016-05-23T17:56:48Z")
Maybe Sansa lied about getting the Blackfish intel from Littlefinger because she spared his life - but if Jon thought he traded Sansa to the Boltons and was nearby, he’d kill Uncle Petyr on general principle. And that might piss The Lord of the Vale off, chuck the lot of them through the Moon Door - er, at least turn the Vale against the Stark forces. The pre season previews show a big battle of Jon Snow/Wildlings vs Boltons, but it was too quick to see any other banners, for me at least. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/118 "2016-05-23T18:00:00Z")
As sad as it is when a dire wolf dies, it will be a lot sadder when a dragon dies. I’ pretty sure at least one will not make it to the end. ---
**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/119 "2016-05-23T18:03:29Z")
[quote=“Colibri, post:116, topic:755426”] > [@Colibri](#): > > \ It appears that Melisandre was a rather recent arrival in Stannis’s household. She was actually brought in by his wife, who was a disciple of the Lord of Light \ Mrs. Stannis invites a cult leader into her home and this ends in total disaster for the Stannis family. Cersei invites a cult leader into her home and this ends in (so far) a near-disaster for her family. If the Mormons or the Jehovah’s Witnesses come knocking on my door today, I’m not asking them in. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426/120 "2016-05-23T18:10:28Z")
Did we see Podrick last night? Is he going with Brienne? I was trying to remember Littlefinger’s justification for marrying Sansa to Ramsay in the first place when he knows the Boltons can’t be trusted. Do you think that the Blackfish really has retaken Riverrun? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-05-the-door-5-22-16-show-discussion/755426.md?page=7)