# Game of Thrones 6.06 "Blood of My Blood" 5/29/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 30, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044 "2016-05-30T00:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/61 "2016-05-30T19:14:43Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Margaery is absolutely playing the game. Yup, I think so. Ultimately, what alternative was there vs. a fanatic who wouldn’t have accepted sexual favours. As soon as she saw her brother was useless - BOOM! she switched. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/62 "2016-05-30T19:52:46Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I don’t think that’s odd at all. He was last on screen in what, episode 3 of season 1? True, but he was used as a plot point in the last episode of last season. They lured Jon to the ambush by telling him they had found Benjen. They even showed his face in the previously on scenes that episode. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/63 "2016-05-30T20:07:30Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > It was the same actor. I did not remember him from the 1st episode so I had to go back and look him up. I recognized him in this episode since in between he played the evil Chief Inspector Shine on Ripper Street. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Wouldn’t it be hilarious if the Mountain stood for Cersei, and Arya walked out of the crowd and demanded to be the challenger? He is on her list, after all. It would be interesting to see what she’s capable of with her full-on faceless man training coupled with her swordplay capability. And she would be small and fast - a tough target for a lumbering brute like the Mountain. And she knows how to use poison and all the other ways of killing that the faceless men use. > > Here’s an interesting idea for a fakeout. Arya confronts the Waif. We don’t see the actual fight. But later on, we see the waif leaving. Eventually, we discover that it’s Arya using the Waif’s face as a mask. She uses it to get through to King’s landing without being recognized. They are close to the same size, so she could pull it off. So then the waif steps forward to challenge the Mountain, and then dramatically Arya pulls off the face to reveal herself to everyone - and starts killing people. > > I don’t think Sam is going to the Citadel. Now that he has a wife and child, he can’t go there. He explicitly said that he won’t allow them to be separated again. Besides, if Sam had entered the Citadel his plot thread would have to end with him, as it takes years to graduate and we don’t have that kind of time. > > Looking at a map of Westeros, Sam is very close to Highgarden, the Tyrell seat of power. He might look for sanctuary there. He’s also not that far from Riverrun, and it sure looks like a lot of plot threads are converging there. Brienne is on her way there, and so is Jaime Lannister. And Walder Frey’s army. It would be interesting if Sam tried to go through there overland on the way back to the wall just as all that crap hits the fan. > > What would be really cool is if Brienne winds up on opposite sides of a war from Jaime, then Sam brings them together by clearly explaining the threat of the White Walkers, and the threat of the Boltons up north, and Jaime defects with his army and leads them, along with Brienne and the Blackfish into battle in the North against the Boltons. Sam rides along and rejoins Jon for the final battle against the Knight’s king and his army of undead. > > Helping the Starks retake Winterfell would be the ultimate act of moral absolution for Jaime - especially if Bran Stark tells him he is not only forgiven, but that pushing him out that window was pre-ordained and helped him along the path to becoming the new three-eyed raven. I think the Mountain would have an advantage because he’s a corpse and things like poison and pointy swords wouldn’t have much effect on him. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/64 "2016-05-30T20:36:05Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I think the Mountain would have an advantage because he’s a corpse and things like poison and pointy swords wouldn’t have much effect on him. And he has a height and weight advantage of about five Aryas. Although I wouldn’t expect her to be able to get across the narrow sea too easily in the first place, the Faceless tokens are presumably one-way only. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/65 "2016-05-30T21:12:24Z")
Come on, don’t act like we don’t know yet who will be fighting Ser Gregor. 😛 There’s only one guy for that job. And next episode is called “The Broken Man”. I think he’ll finally be making his appearance in it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/66 "2016-05-30T21:18:15Z")
Gregor might have more than one fight left in him. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/67 "2016-05-30T21:32:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Looking at a map of Westeros, Sam is very close to Highgarden, the Tyrell seat of power. He might look for sanctuary there. He’s also not that far from Riverrun, and it sure looks like a lot of plot threads are converging there. Brienne is on her way there, and so is Jaime Lannister. And Walder Frey’s army. It would be interesting if Sam tried to go through there overland on the way back to the wall just as all that crap hits the fan. When did Jaime say anything about Riverrun? Jaime is at King’s Landing - we literally just saw him trying to save Margaery and tongue-fucking Cersei. I don’t remember Brienne saying that either (and we last saw her at Castle Black), but she’s just going to follow Sansa wherever she goes now. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/68 "2016-05-30T21:38:31Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > When did Jaime say anything about Riverrun? Jaime is at King’s Landing - we literally just saw him trying to save Margaery and tongue-fucking Cersei. With his dismissal from the Kingsguard, he’s being sent by Cersei to help the Freys retake Riverrun. And from the previews: We see him confronting the Blackfish there. > [@](#): > > I don’t remember Brienne saying that either (and we last saw her at Castle Black), but she’s just going to follow Sansa wherever she goes now. Sansa ordered her to go to Riverrun and make contact with her uncle, despite Brienne’s protests that her place was with Sansa. So Jaime and Brienne have the potential (probably the certainty) to meet again. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/69 "2016-05-30T21:41:28Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Come on, don’t act like we don’t know yet who will be fighting Ser Gregor. 😛 There’s only one guy for that job. > > And next episode is called “The Broken Man”. I think he’ll finally be making his appearance in it. Do you think the Hound has joined the Sparrows? He would look pretty funny with his head shaved and the Sign of the Seven carved into his forehead.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/70 "2016-05-30T22:10:52Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > With his dismissal from the Kingsguard, he’s being sent by Cersei to help the Freys retake Riverrun. > > And from the previews: > > We see him confronting the Blackfish there. > > Sansa ordered her to go to Riverrun and make contact with her uncle, despite Brienne’s protests that her place was with Sansa. So Jaime and Brienne have the potential (probably the certainty) to meet again. Ah OK, I suppose I wasn’t paying much attention to those conversations. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![groo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecd19e/32.png) [@groo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/groo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/71 "2016-05-30T22:13:44Z")
Ever since the first season, Sam has been reading very old books and dropping bits of knowledge about how they originally fought the white walkers. Just as Arya really doesn’t need to (and shouldn’t) graduate from assassin school because she’s meant to do greater things, Sam doesn’t need to formally become a maester. Yeah, the chain is cool, but “saving the realms of men from the Night’s King and the white walkers” will be just as impressive, if not moreso, on his CV. 😉 He might need to understand how to make Valeryan steel, and now he has a sword made of Valeryan steel. I believe the next crucial ingredient is, lemmesee, dragonfire. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/72 "2016-05-30T22:19:11Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Do you think the Hound has joined the Sparrows? He would look pretty funny with his head shaved and the Sign of the Seven carved into his forehead.🙂 Yeah. The character Ian McShane is playing is the monk-type guy who will cause his transition. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/73 "2016-05-30T22:54:56Z")
It’s obvious that Marg was playing the Sparrow and Tommen, I’m not sure how anyone is considering otherwise. There’s no narrative material that suggests she was ever considering becoming a genuine convert. She knew Loras would soon break and so she had to go for a new plan. She’s going to manipulate the situation enough to get out of there, and then manipulate Tommen back into being under her control once she’s out. The “Sam goes to Maester school” plotline never really made sense (except as a way of saving Sam from the rest of the NW). The threat at the wall is real and near and Sam is the closest thing they’ve got to a Maester - he’s familiar with the library and has the best shot of uncovering old knowledge needed to beat them. The idea that he’s going off to school for a few years to become an official maester is very silly. He’s missing all that valuable time studying the books at the wall, and the whole damn night’s watch is probably going to be wiped out during his first semester. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/74 "2016-05-30T22:56:39Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Yeah. The Hound witnessed the Lord of Light raise a man from the dead. I can’t imagine why he would then choose to worship the Seven. Well, I guess there is that whole “fire” thing. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/75 "2016-05-30T23:00:21Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > I’m not sure where the Sam and Gilly story line is ultimately going, but I can see his father coming to retrieve the sword, and Sam is forced into a trial by combat, where he uses his new mad skills and defeats his father, and regaining his heritage… I’d father Sam’s brother serve as his father’s champion; if only to see the look on Lord Tarly’s face when he sees his favourite son & heir killed by the son he disinherited. Also it would be much harder for Sam to kill his brother than his father. > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Yes, of course a horse can go up (and down) stairs, assuming the steps aren’t so narrow a hoof won’t fit or so steep it simply can’t drag its weight up them. It doesn’t really take ‘training’ more just give the horse a chance to experience them so they aren’t some “Whoa! Scary new object!” thing. > > Really, what are stairs but a rocky hillside? And a nicely, safely regularized one. Thanks. I assumed it was CGI, at least as far as putting Coster-Waldau’s head on a stunt double; I just wanted to know if it was actually possible for a horse to do that. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I was thinking that Sam’s father would send a note to the Citadel to let them know that Sam violated his oath but your idea is more dramatic. Speaking of the Night’s Watch sending Sam to the Citadel; aren’t maesters required to renounce any prior loyalties and accept assignment where the Citadel sends them? Wouldn’t the Night’s Watch count as Sam’s House in this case? If that’s the case then wouldn’t he need to be released from his vows in order to train as a maester, or do different rules apply for the Watch? > [@AngelSoft](#): > > See, I half expect that something’s going to happen where she won’t be allowed trial by combat. If only because it’s been mentioned SO many times so far. Can’t let her have an easy out lol Well the High Sparrow did tell Cersei that Maergery & Loras would be tried by judges of the Faith (ie a tribunal of septons & septas) like in ancient times. Of course the underlying principle of trial by combat is that the Gods will intervene to ensure the guilty party condemned/innocent party acquitted. > [@Colibri](#): > > Margaery has certain techniques of persuasion with Tommen not available to the High Sparrow. :)… Margaery’s is obviously going to be a greater influence over Tommen than the High Sparrow now. Especially since in addition to the sex she now basically has unfettered access to him and can be alone with him without worrying about a septa listening at the door. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > …I don’t think Sam is going to the Citadel. Now that he has a wife and child, he can’t go there. He explicitly said that he won’t allow them to be separated again. Besides, if Sam had entered the Citadel his plot thread would have to end with him, as it takes years to graduate and we don’t have that kind of time… Well technically Sam has neither a wife nor a child, but that doesn’t matter (though Gilly probably is his wife by Wildling custom now). I agree it’s doubtful he’ll end up a maester for those exact reasons. > [@Colibri](#): > > With his dismissal from the Kingsguard, he’s being sent by Cersei to help the Freys retake Riverrun… So does Jaime get his inheritance rights back now that he’s been dismissed from the Kingsguard? I’m assuming Uncle Kevan took over as Lord of Casterly Rock when Tywin died instead of Cersei inheriting in her own right. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/76 "2016-05-30T23:05:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The “Sam goes to Maester school” plotline never really made sense (except as a way of saving Sam from the rest of the NW). The threat at the wall is real and near and Sam is the closest thing they’ve got to a Maester - he’s familiar with the library and has the best shot of uncovering old knowledge needed to beat them. The idea that he’s going off to school for a few years to become an official maester is very silly. He’s missing all that valuable time studying the books at the wall, and the whole damn night’s watch is probably going to be wiped out during his first semester. Yeah, I agree that there’s not enough time for Sam to complete a maester’s training. But he may be at the Citadel just long enough to uncover some critical piece of information in some tome he hasn’t had access to before at the Wall. Like Arya, he’ll drop out of school before getting his degree. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/77 "2016-05-30T23:18:29Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yeah, I agree that there’s not enough time for Sam to complete a maester’s training. But he may be at the Citadel just long enough to uncover some critical piece of information in some tome he hasn’t had access to before at the Wall. Like the cure for greyscale (16-bit color?). ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/78 "2016-05-30T23:22:25Z")
Also, can’t wait until Bran meets up with Jon\*: Bran: “Hey Jon, you won’t believe this, but I found our uncle Benjen!” Jon: “Oh no, not falling for that shit again.” - borrowed from Reddit ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/79 "2016-05-30T23:52:12Z")
My friend brought up an inconsistency in the writing of the faceless men: The bitch girl told Jaqen “I told you. Can you let me kill her?” Now, if these are faceless people (“a man” and “a girl”), with no personal desires clouding their judgement, why did the bitch girl want to be the one to kill Arya? It should be all the same to them, no matter who kills Arya. Having personal feelings and desiring vengeance is against what these people have been touted as being: “faceless” and “no one”. Is this indeed a lapse on the part of the writers, or is there some fanwanking to make this work? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/80 "2016-05-30T23:54:34Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > So does Jaime get his inheritance rights back now that he’s been dismissed from the Kingsguard? I’m assuming Uncle Kevan took over as Lord of Casterly Rock when Tywin died instead of Cersei inheriting in her own right. Jaime offered Tywin that he would resign from the Kingsguard and take over as heir if Tywin would spare Tyrion. (Tyrion screwed the deal by insisting on a trial by combat.) So yes, Jaime should be the official head of the Lannister family now and Lord of Casterly Rock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044.md?page=5)