# Game of Thrones 6.06 "Blood of My Blood" 5/29/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 30, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044 "2016-05-30T00:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/121 "2016-05-31T13:51:01Z")
I got the impression that Sam’s dad was genuine in his offer to take in Gilly and her kid. It’s an honor culture where stuff like promises and guest right have deeper meaning than we have in our culture. And it’s common for rich Lords to have wards under their protection. Servants will tend to their needs, it’s not like he’s going to be changing diapers himself or Gilly will be sleeping on his couch. To a guy like that, his word is probably sacred to him. He probably would’ve allowed her to live a decent life. And Sam’s kinder mother and sister would protect her too. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/122 "2016-05-31T14:09:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I got the impression that Sam’s dad was genuine in his offer to take in Gilly and her kid. It’s an honor culture where stuff like promises and guest right have deeper meaning than we have in our culture. And it’s common for rich Lords to have wards under their protection. Servants will tend to their needs, it’s not like he’s going to be changing diapers himself or Gilly will be sleeping on his couch. To a guy like that, his word is probably sacred to him. He probably would’ve allowed her to live a decent life. And Sam’s kinder mother and sister would protect her too. Sam already knows that his father was wiling to lie to his mother about Sam’s “accident” if he didn’t join the Night’s Watch. If I were in Sam’s shoes, I would not be trusting Randyll’s word that Gilly and Little Sam would be safe at the house. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/123 "2016-05-31T14:09:24Z")
Talking of Sam’s mother - MILF. How old ihis sister? ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/124 "2016-05-31T14:11:04Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > This also brings up another question: has Bran even demonstrated an ability to see into the future before? So far we have only seen visions of the past. The montage also has that shot of a smoking King’s Landing with an apparent dragon shadow over it, but that could be the past as well when Aegon was conquering it. _If_ it is the future though, that has important implications and expands the scope of Bran’s abilities considerably. King’s Landing was founded by Aegon the first. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/125 "2016-05-31T14:19:18Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > I’ve already explained it. We KNOW that the place where they store the wildfire hasn’t exploded yet because we SAW it when Tyrion & Bronn visited it while planning the Battle of Blackwater. > > We also know that it hasn’t exploded since then because if King’s Landing had suffered a massive explosion it would be, you know, freaking obvious. > > Therefore, it can _only_ be in the future. It’s not _a use of Wildfire_, it’s _Wildfire destroying the place where they store the Wildfire_, which is obviously part of King’s Landing. I agree. That is not a random shot of the Mad King using wildfire, that is the wildfire storage facility that currently exists under kings landing blowing the fuck up. One dumb thing i noticed is that Jamie has his current short hair cut instead of the longer hair he had the beginning of the series, which is extremely dumb since they don’t even show his face so they could have used someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Oswald\_Bastable](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oswald_bastable/32/214_2.png) [@Oswald\_Bastable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oswald_Bastable)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/126 "2016-05-31T14:22:16Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Talking of Sam’s mother - MILF. The lovely [Samantha Spiro](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0819087/). Looks much better now she’s lost the moustache. 😃 OB ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/127 "2016-05-31T14:25:06Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > By the way, you all do realize that Tommen will be the “champion” who will face off against Mountain 2.0, right? It’s not a spoiler as it’s just a guess, but it’s an educated one based off of the fact: > > 1. Tommen is prophesized to die > 2. Everyone is looking forward to the Mountain just cutting some jerk in half > 3. This is Game of Thrones and that’s pretty much the most horrific thing I can imagine happening to Cercei at this point. > > The other possibility is that it will be Lorris. Because that would set the Tyrells and Lanisters against each other, (at which point Tommen will be killed). I’d guess almost anyone would be the champion instead of Tommen. Tommen is in with the Sparrows now, but he’s not so far gone that he thinks that he could win against the Mountain. And neither the High Sparrow or Margaery have any reason to convince him to be the champion. And he’s been religious for barely any time now, but he’s been a mama’s boy for his whole life, he’s not going to fight against his mother. I’m guessing that Tommen will die, but I would guess it would be by poison like his two siblings. Likely at some point of triumph, like the High Sparrow is killed and most of the Sparrows are killed or defeated, and the crown looks stronger and Cersei and Margaery convince him that it’s best that the Sparrows are gone. Then he has a drink at dinner and dies. > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Sam already knows that his father was wiling to lie to his mother about Sam’s “accident” if he didn’t join the Night’s Watch. If I were in Sam’s shoes, I would not be trusting Randyll’s word that Gilly and Little Sam would be safe at the house. Right, honor is very big, but we’ve seen multiple instances of people going back on their word, and multiple instances of kin-slaying on the show. The Starks are the most honorable ones and they kept getting killed or betrayed by those who go back on their honor. It’s possible that Randyll would have kept his word, especially with his wife defending Gilly and little Sam, but it’s not crazy for Sam to want to get them out of there. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/128 "2016-05-31T15:06:36Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Gullipulable. He’ reputable too, along with the gullable and manipulable. So he’s gullipulaputable. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/129 "2016-05-31T15:31:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s mentioned in the books … > [@SenorBeef](#): > > The books do not exist in this thread. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/130 "2016-05-31T15:43:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Right, this never made much sense. Jaqen originally offered to kill 3 men for Arya to restore some cosmic balance and please the many faced god. And often they hint that they serve some sort of cosmic purpose, or some sort of justice for the powerless. Agreed that it’s also been somewhat poorly thought out. Thinking back on how that original meeting went, I suppose it could be argued now that Arya didn’t fail to kill the actress; she placed the poison, the deed was (being) done, and then she saved her life. Much like she saved Jaquen’s life. So now does that mean that Arya gets to freely pick one person to murder to restore the balance? ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/131 "2016-05-31T15:47:49Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > Now, if these are faceless people (“a man” and “a girl”), with no personal desires clouding their judgement, why did the bitch girl want to be the one to kill Arya? It should be all the same to them, no matter who kills Arya. Apart from Arya, we see no other person. No trainee’s, no servants. Maybe its personal, because it was always going to come down to Arya vs the other chick. A girl may be surplus to requirements. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/132 "2016-05-31T15:50:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Sam may have been trained in swordplay, but he’s never been any good at it. His two kills came by stabbing a White Walker in the back with a magical knife and hitting a Thenn at point blank range with a crossbow after struggling to get it loaded. Sam has that luck factor going for him, no matter what. I’m not expecting him to be the reincarnation of Aurthur Dayne, but I do expect that he is better than when he left home to begin his journey. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/133 "2016-05-31T15:51:08Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > By the way, you all do realize that Tommen will be the “champion” who will face off against Mountain 2.0, right? It’s not a spoiler as it’s just a guess, but it’s an educated one based off of the fact: > > 1. Tommen is prophesized to die > 2. Everyone is looking forward to the Mountain just cutting some jerk in half > 3. This is Game of Thrones and that’s pretty much the most horrific thing I can imagine happening to Cercei at this point. This is one thing we can be sure won’t happen. Aside from the absurdity of a slight adolescent with little experience in fighting challenging the Mountain, despite his conversion Tommen still loves his mother and doesn’t want to see her convicted. Besides that, tt would be particularly ridiculous move on Tommen’s part because if he wins he will prove his mother guilty of adultery and incest and thus that he himself is illegitimate and not legally the king. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/134 "2016-05-31T15:57:01Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Wouldn’t it be hilarious if the Mountain stood for Cersei, and Arya walked out of the crowd and demanded to be the challenger? He is on her list, after all. It would be interesting to see what she’s capable of with her full-on faceless man training coupled with her swordplay capability. And she would be small and fast - a tough target for a lumbering brute like the Mountain. And she knows how to use poison and all the other ways of killing that the faceless men use. > > Here’s an interesting idea for a fakeout. Arya confronts the Waif. We don’t see the actual fight. But later on, we see the waif leaving. Eventually, we discover that it’s Arya using the Waif’s face as a mask. She uses it to get through to King’s landing without being recognized. They are close to the same size, so she could pull it off. So then the waif steps forward to challenge the Mountain, and then dramatically Arya pulls off the face to reveal herself to everyone - and starts killing people. It’s Game of Thrones. Arya would appear to have the upper hand until the FrankenMountain cut her in half. We haven’t had a dead Stark in a while, it’s about time to get things rolling. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/135 "2016-05-31T16:05:07Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Your explanation didn’t make any sense though and now I see it’s because you’re apparently making assumptions that the entire place would have been “destroyed” based on that shot. But what we see is the wildfire is going off inside of a massive stone tunnel, and the only thing that’s exploding there are the wooden kegs and racks used to store it. No reason to think it would irreparably bring down the entire castle and/or city. Plus this is long in the past, so even if there was structural damage it could have been repaired. Your explanation doesn’t make any sense plotwise. There would be no reason to show some random accident in the past that had no significant effect. All of the events we see in the past were extremely important. We see some events that definitely seem to be in the future, such as a dragon flying over a ruined King’s Landing. (As has been pointed out, dragons were not used against King’s Landing before since it was founded by the Targaryens.) We know that Jaime thwarted the Mad King’s plan to use wildfire before. There is every reason to think these images represent a future event. Bran has demonstrated an ability to see future events. He had a vision of Winterfell (and Rodrik Cassel) being drowned by the sea, which prophesied it being taken by Theon and the Ironborn. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/136 "2016-05-31T16:48:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > One dumb thing i noticed is that Jamie has his current short hair cut instead of the longer hair he had the beginning of the series, which is extremely dumb since they don’t even show his face so they could have used someone else. That scene was ~17 years before season 1, why assume he’d have kept the same hair style that entire time? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/137 "2016-05-31T16:54:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I still don’t understand why we are following Sam and Gilly at all, or why any of this is of interest. Every minute of it has been a waste of time; worse, in fact, since, as you point out, it’s made Sam, a likeable character, look like a jerk. On the contrary, Sam was clearly getting angrier and angrier as the dinner progressed, he is holding it in because for Gilly’s sake, since he knows that lashing out at Randyll Tarly is not going to help Gilly and little Sam. Its quite clear than whatever fear he has of Daddy is long gone. No matter how much James Faulkner scowls, he is not as scary as a Wigt, a White Walker, a Thenn, Giants, a wildling Army. If anything his lets get the fuck out, all of us, is more jerkish since he now has no way of looking after her and little Sam. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/138 "2016-05-31T16:55:31Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So Sam’s dad is obviously an asshole, but could Sam have proven himself more meek in the way he simply stood and took the abuse? The way he just sniveled and refused to stand up for himself at all certainly would make his father think he never grew a pair. He had every chance to show a spine, but he never hinted at it. I agree. I was waiting for the moment when Sam was going to stand up and tear his father a new one, and show just how much he’d grown as a man. Instead, he just sat there and let his wife defend him. After all he’s been through and the courage he has repeatedly shown, there’s no way Sam should have just wilted like that. I think that was a poor read on the character by the writers. I imagine they were thinking that the overbearing father was just too much for Sam to handle, but I don’t buy it. > [@](#): > > And making the decision to leave wasn’t even backbone - it was a petty, childish rebellion. He made an irresponsible decision to remove Gilly and her kid from the protection of his mother and father with no plan for what to do with her, and he snuck out in the middle of the night with his family’s heirloom. Yeah, I don’t get that either. He can’t go to the Citadel any more, so what’s he going to do? Take his wife and an infant into the middle of the fight at the Wall? My guess is that she’ll land at a re-taken Winterfell while Sam goes to the Wall, and one day Sam may become the Maester at Winterfell after the Boltons have flayed their last men. But that’s unknowable to us and to Sam, so really he’s just taking a wife and a baby out of the safest sanctuary available and taking them on the road to a dangerous place, with the trip itself being quite dangerous assuming he doesn’t have the resources he had when he was traveling as the noble son of a powerful house. > [@](#): > > His father is absolutely an abusive asshole who is in no way a good guy here, but he’d be fully justified in hunting down and killing Sam at this point to get his sword back. He offered protection for someone he despised for Sam’s sake, and Sam repaid him by stealing his most valuable possession. > > I’m not going to go as far as to say I’m rooting for Randyll to kill Sam, but it would be justifiable. Agreed again. Valyrian swords are probably the most valuable artifacts in the Seven Kingdoms. A famous named sword like Heartsbane even more so. Randyll would have let Sam leave in peace with Gilly and baby, and would have been relieved to be rid of him. He might even have given him a nice big purse of gold coins to buy him off, allowing Sam to get his family somewhere peacefully and safely. But now, Sam and his family are in possession of stolen goods valuable enough for them to be hunted mercilessly for the rest of their days. It was a crazy decision to make, unless Sam has actually chosen to take it back to the wall, and also that he believes that a Valyrian sword is important enough to the battle that the risk is necessary. But that’s not how the show portrayed his motivation. It was more of a, “Screw you, father! I’m taking the damned sword that should have been mine one day!” A sword he can’t even effectively wield. Crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/139 "2016-05-31T16:59:01Z")
Tommen being the champion would be hilarious but not make any sense. Loras could make sense but he’d be in no shape to fight…but if the church believes truly this is divine combat, would that even be a consideration? Lancel, again, if they think it’s divine combat should ability even matter? Miracle run in by the Hound? A pet peeve of mine is characters not addressing the big threat when it is organic to the plot. Sam’s brother says “there’s no such thing” regarding the White Walkers. Sam should have immediately said “Yes. They are real. They are coming. That’s why the Lord Commander sent me to the Citadel in order to prepare. Someday soon the snows will fall in the south and no castle or holdfast, including Horn Hill, will be able to stand against them or their army of the dead… no let me have a fucking dinner roll.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044/140 "2016-05-31T17:01:33Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > The pronouns have been inconsistent before so I don’t think that necessarily says anything, but I think her desire for killing Arya shows that it will be her whose face goes on the wall. Arya will kill the waif, Jaqen will be satisfied that a death has occurred, and Arya will leave for Westeros. > > I am curious about their death cult though. It would make more sense to me if they were either ruthless mercenary assassins, or if they were religious fanatics who killed who their god wanted them to kill. It seems strange that they’re in the middle as religious fanatics who are also mercenaries and kill innocent people. A corrupt religion? What a surprise. Religions have always managed to maintain a ‘faith’ while engaging in corrupt practices. Is this really that much different than selling indulgences, or deciding that God has demanded that priests never marry, so that their assets would revert to the Church? Or to have a faith that preaches the virtue of abandoning material things and living a simple life while amassing one of the largest collections of valuable treasures in the world? If you believe in a death god, it doesn’t seem so far-fetched to engage in a little side-killing-for-profit, if the money is used to maintain the church. Justice is nice, but without money the church can’t do it’s good works, so… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-06-blood-of-my-blood-5-29-16-show-discussion/756044.md?page=8)