# Game of Thrones 6.07 "The Broken Man" 6/5/16 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 6, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631 "2016-06-06T00:20:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/81 "2016-06-06T15:04:26Z")
I actually wonder if the lady with Margaery noticed something was up. Because Lady Oleanna was so adamant about staying and Margaery touched her hand and then oh wow suddenly she’s ok with going. I think I even noticed a look on the sister’s face like HMM. I dunno. I hope that doesn’t cause her any issues. I’m just so sick of those guys lol As for not sleeping with Tommen, I wonder if that was a plot of hers to see if he’s still confiding in the HS. This way she knows he’s not to be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/82 "2016-06-06T15:11:22Z")
I feel like The Hound was in way worse shape when we last saw him than Arya was, so I’m confident that she will make a full recovery. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/83 "2016-06-06T15:13:12Z")
An abdominal stab wound need not be fatal even in primitive societies, if bleeding can be controlled, and if the bowel is not pierced. So positing the knife was deflected by a coin purse (or whatever) or for other reasons didn’t nick a bowel (which would almost certainly cause a horrendous infection) or a major blood vessel, chances are fair for recovery. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/84 "2016-06-06T15:17:44Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Yikes, I’m lost. Why would the Brotherhood without Banners kill those people? A couple of possibilities: (1) They are all now followers of the Lord of Light, so maybe it’s simple religious zealotry (2) Every criminal and bandit anywhere near that region now claims to be part of the brotherhood, because it gives them an air of legitimacy, but whoever did the killing was basically just criminals, not actually connected to Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion. Or some combination of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/85 "2016-06-06T15:21:20Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > That would seem unlikely. The very act of giving a picture of a rose if spotted would be enough to undo Margery’s charade. Given that why not just write whatever you want? I’m guessing she managed to rip the rose picture from somewhere in one of the books but they don’t trust her with a pen. Yeah disregard what I said earlier. I just watched scene again, no writing and your explanation makes perfect sense. I’m wondering if Arya will end up with the ironborn now that they’re in Bravos. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/86 "2016-06-06T15:34:07Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > I’m wondering if Arya will end up with the ironborn now that they’re in Bravos. Yeah that would be an awkward conversation with Theon. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/87 "2016-06-06T15:44:50Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > A couple of possibilities: > (1) They are all now followers of the Lord of Light, so maybe it’s simple religious zealotry > (2) Every criminal and bandit anywhere near that region now claims to be part of the brotherhood, because it gives them an air of legitimacy, but whoever did the killing was basically just criminals, not actually connected to Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion. Have we seen any of those Brotherhood guys before? Hound appeared to recognize someone, perhaps the guy with the beard who did the talking? ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/88 "2016-06-06T15:47:28Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > As for not sleeping with Tommen, I wonder if that was a plot of hers to see if he’s still confiding in the HS. This way she knows he’s not to be trusted. Is their marriage consummated. If not then it makes sense for Margery to protect her virginity, a powerful asset for a high-born woman in Westeros, and not waste it on a pawn like Tommen. At least not until her power over him, and the throne, is more secure. > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > I think the Sparrow is the real deal, but he certainly does know how to play the game of politics. I’m not so sure. I think he, like Littlefinger, is just another player trying to climb the metaphorical ladder. His story about him being of being a shoemaker rings false to me and, I suspect to Margery also. Now him being a shoemaker is probably true, but I don’t think his epiphany was about how decadent the nobility is but rather that he had no power over him. I think he’s a narcissist that gets off on using religion to lord over the masses and, later, the nobility. He doesn’t care about wealth, and the luxuries it brings, only power. The problem with using religion as a weapon is that it can easily be turned on you. I think that’s going to be Margery’s plan against him. I predict a walk of shame in the High Sparrow’s future. > [@Quimby](#): > > It’s good the Greyjoys are heading to Mereen. Meeting Varys and Grey Worm is probably the best thing that could happen to Theon. They’re one guys short of a quartet. Hmm, who should it be? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/89 "2016-06-06T15:51:09Z")
I could definitely see Littlefinger putting the kibosh on the Starks taking back the north. Once he realizes his army has the power to declare the victor he’s going to immediately weigh out which victory is in his and his alone best interests. After Sansa had him dead to rights and begging for his life he may now consider her a threat that would be better off eliminated. He’s still in Ramsey’s good graces and he may negotiate a position of power with him if it furthers his interests. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/90 "2016-06-06T15:58:06Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > Is their marriage consummated. If not then it makes sense for Margery to protect her virginity, a powerful asset for a high-born woman in Westeros, and not waste it on a pawn like Tommen. There were a few scenes last season, one I remember is Margaery chatting to some other women about how Tommen wanted to gain the record for number of times per day or somesuch. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/91 "2016-06-06T16:01:32Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > I’m wondering if Arya will end up with the ironborn now that they’re in Bravos. The Ironborn were in Volantis, not Braavos. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/92 "2016-06-06T16:03:03Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I’m confused by the Brotherhood slaughter as well. While the Brotherhood has been portrayed as pragmatic in selling out Gendry, I don’t think they’ve ever been shown as slaughtering innocents to rob them. The massacre seems out of character, and I’m guessing the Brotherhood wasn’t actually responsible. (But the Hound assumes they were.) > [@thirdname](#): > > _Is_ there anything they can do for an abdominal wound? It’s a medieval society; what are they supposed to do, take her to the local Shock-Trauma for some surgery and a round of antibiotics? Honestly, seeing her stabbed like that bothers me. Either she dies and her 2 seasons of training montages are a complete waste, or she survives a wound that should be fatal and that harms my suspension of disbelief. I thought this was a show where people are in real danger. Now a gut-stabbing is but a scratch, and dead characters are coming back to life. (Plus the Internet spoiled Jon’s resurrection for me.) As a reminder, Arya drank from the poison pool in the House of Black and White with no ill effects. I’m wondering whether her survival might end up connected with this in some way. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/93 "2016-06-06T16:05:38Z")
Their marriage is definitely consummated as it was the power that Margery had over Tommen that got Cersei to revive the Faith Militant as a counterweight. I think Margery is letting Tommen know that he can be religious and not get any or not be religious and have it like it was before. She is manipulating him for the time he has to choose between the high sparrow and her. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/94 "2016-06-06T16:15:18Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Their marriage is definitely consummated as it was the power that Margery had over Tommen that got Cersei to revive the Faith Militant as a counterweight. > I think Margery is letting Tommen know that he can be religious and not get any or not be religious and have it like it was before. She is manipulating him for the time he has to choose between the high sparrow and her. As shown by the teen pregnancy rates where religious based abstinence is promoted, I think we know what should win out in the end. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/95 "2016-06-06T16:27:52Z")
So the rose is just a ‘I’m still me’ message. Well, ok. It’s just, well, if she is willing (and allowed) to openly tell her grandmother to go despite knowing what the High Sparrow wants I thought the secret message should be something … more. What I don’t know. Maybe if it indicated a different location that what she was saying. I mean, if all she wanted was to reassure Granny that she wasn’t a True Believer, she could have done that easily enough by facial expressions with the Septa standing behind her. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/96 "2016-06-06T16:30:16Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The Ironborn were in Volantis, not Braavos. I thought they were in Oldtown. Then again, I got no real indicator of where exactly they were, unless I missed it… ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/97 "2016-06-06T16:36:01Z")
Sorry for the double post, but a late thought: Do you suppose the High Sparrow was testing Margery? As in, tells her he plans to go after her Grandmother, and wait for the Septa’s report on her conversation with Grandma? I think that fits well, with this lot of vipers all scrambling for the top. Nobody trusts anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/98 "2016-06-06T16:44:14Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I thought they were in Oldtown. > > Then again, I got no real indicator of where exactly they were, unless I missed it… I was wrong about Bravos, someone mentioned they were in Slavers Bay which I’m certain is Volantis like **Snarky Kong** said. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/99 "2016-06-06T16:54:22Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Have we seen any of those Brotherhood guys before? Hound appeared to recognize someone, perhaps the guy with the beard who did the talking? Were they in the cave when the Hound had his trial by combat with Beric Dondarrian (sp?)? I would think the Hound is one of the more recognizable persons in Westeros with his size and scars. If the Brotherhood guys were in the cave, you’d think they’d remember the Hound, though. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/100 "2016-06-06T17:05:52Z")
Good episode - so glad to have the Hound and Bronn back, and Jaime in the field again. > [@Rucksinator](#): > > I’m not the only one that pegged that old lady as being the waif in disguise the moment we saw her, right? Nope. I guessed it at once. > [@Quimby](#): > > …So who was Sansa writing? Has to be Littlefinger right? > > That scene between Grandma Tyrell and Cersei was just beautiful. It was long over due she got a slap in the face for what she did… Yes, I assume so - and hell, yes! > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > …The High Sparrow telling Margaery to take one for the team… “Lie back and think of Westeros, my child.” > [@Critical1](#): > > …I also predict that should someone feel the need to correct the spelling of certain names I will once again skim right past those posts on my way to reading the ones that contribute to the actual conversation at hand as I have done every other time I see one of them. You know the motto of these boards, right? Anyway: Jaime, Margaery, Brienne, etc. > [@tonyfop](#): > > For some reason, she reminded me of Alia Atreides from the original Dune movie. Yes! I had the same thought: a serious, determined little round-faced, dark-haired girl who is _not_ to be trifled with. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > The out loud message is “the Sparrows are great and I’m choosing to be part of their group and so there’s no need for you to stick around,” and Margaery knows that Lady Oleanna would hear that and want to stick around and fight and would likely end up in prison. The secret message with the rose is “I’m not brainwashed, but I am serious about you needing to get out of here for your own safety.” … That’s how I took it, too. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > … whoever did the killing was [maybe] basically just criminals, not actually connected to Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion… Yeah. Despite the earlier somewhat-menacing visit of the three riders, there’s no way for the Hound to know at this point that they really (a) are with the Brotherhood, (b) are worshippers of the Lord of Light, or (c) have anything to do with the massacre of the bearded septon’s followers. I bet that won’t stop him from kicking some serious butt, though… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631.md?page=6)