# Game of Thrones 6.07 "The Broken Man" 6/5/16 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 6, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631 "2016-06-06T00:20:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/161 "2016-06-07T00:21:59Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > Because Lady Oleanna was so adamant about staying and Margaery touched her hand and then oh wow suddenly she’s ok with going. I think I even noticed a look on the sister’s face like HMM. I dunno. I hope that doesn’t cause her any issues. I’m just so sick of those guys lol She didn’t look at the note that Margaery slipped her until afterwards, when she was alone. So that wouldn’t have influenced her at the time. But she did breathe a heavy sigh of relief when she saw it. > [@clairobscur](#): > > Me too. This show is a bit too quick paced, at times. :dubious: Although you do one episode like the last episode, and people start whining “All this exposition, so sloooowwwww and boring! Not even three major characters died. What a snooze-fest!” > [@clairobscur](#): > > Maybe. It didn’t seem a very clear message to me. It was extremely clear to everyone else, and a nice way of conveying it “secretly”. > [@River\_Hippie](#): > > Do we know for sure there are any"faceless" assasins beyond Waif and Jaqen? I recall that there were other workers carting bodies around the House Of Black and White but didn’t get the impression that they were necessarily of the same job description. We don’t see them because we don’t really need to see them (besides, they’re stealthy and shit), but it’s heavily implied. The organization has a reputation which several characters have mentioned, and there’s that huge hall of faces. One wouldn’t think it was just Jaqen and Waif who did all that work. > [@JSexton](#): > > Or, even more likely, that wasn’t Arya getting stabbed. Arya is sneaky as hell. Arya doesn’t wander up to a table, loudly announce where she wants to go, throw money around, and demand a cabin upgrade. Arya certainly doesn’t do all that and then go stand on a bridge in the middle of town, paying no attention to her surroundings, especially when she knows there are people trying to kill her. That person didn’t walk like Arya, dress like her, or act like her. Didn’t even have Needle by her side. > > There’s a few possibilities about who it could be. But I’d put money on that not being Arya at all. Yeah, no, that’s not the least bit plausible and certainly not the most likely explanation, for reasons others have already mentioned. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Does anyone think it’s weird how everyone has started calling the head White Walker, the “Night King”? I heard Benjen mention it but I assumed he learned it from the Three-Eyed Raven. Where did everyone else come up with that name? Guess they’ve read the books. 😃 Good point. > [@JSexton](#): > > It’s weird, when we first meet them, they talk a lot about death as a gift, and how their god chooses death wisely, and balancing deaths, and crap like that. And then it turns out that the “god” “chooses” the “gift” largely on who pays cash money. And somehow it’s presented like we aren’t supposed to be massively let down by this. The Many-Faced God works in mysterious ways. Like how he mysteriously _ **MAKES IT RAIN, BITCHES!** _ > [@Sampiro](#): > > Jamie is not an unsympathetic character- you can certainly understand why he killed the Mad King, though tossing Bran from a window for witnessing twincest is a bit harder to overlook- but Blackfish would be the world’s biggest idiot to trust a Lannister or a Frey to keep their word. But, but, a Lannister always… “Don’t fucking say it!” ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/162 "2016-06-07T00:31:42Z")
Why are people calling the Waif a waif? I had thought the term meant a very skinny girl but this one isn’t very skinny. Is this some other meaning of “waif”? [MW](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/waif)has one definition as “something found without an owner and especially by chance. a stray person or animal; especially : a homeless child” Is this the one that people are referring to, or do people really think she’s that skinny? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/163 "2016-06-07T00:33:31Z")
Of the Starks, first Bran was paralyzed, then Ned lost his head, Robb and Catelyn bought it at the Red Wedding, Sansa was raped and brutalized by Ramsey, Jon was murdered, and now Arya been stabbed in the gut. Is Rickon going to get the Theon treatment? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/164 "2016-06-07T00:42:16Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > Why are people calling the Waif a waif? I had thought the term meant a very skinny girl but this one isn’t very skinny. Is this some other meaning of “waif”? We’re not calling her a waif, but the Waif, as in what the show calls the character. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/165 "2016-06-07T00:48:29Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > Why are people calling the Waif a waif? I had thought the term meant a very skinny girl but this one isn’t very skinny. Is this some other meaning of “waif”? > > [MW](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/waif)has one definition as “something found without an owner and especially by chance. a stray person or animal; especially : a homeless child” > > Is this the one that people are referring to, or do people really think she’s that skinny? Because that’s what the character is called, [as credited on IMDB](http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0508054/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t18) and… elsewhere. And it’s because of her being presumably a homeless child taken in by TFM. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/166 "2016-06-07T01:00:00Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > …Is Rickon going to get the Theon treatment? I think it was implied he’s going to get the Sansa treatment courtesy of Lord Umber. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/167 "2016-06-07T01:37:00Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > As for Jaime’s motivations and future actions… I think he’s going to ally himself with the Blackfish and the North in the battle for Winterfell. There are lots of reasons for this: First of all, he’s a smart man, and he will listen to what Brienne has to tell him about what’s going on at the wall. My personal opinion is that he won’t care what’s happening up at the wall, as he said to Bronn, he expects to be controlling the whole Lannister army at some point and I can’t see him haring off up north with an army, with the possible exception that technically Sansa is still his sister in law. I don’t recall any kind of divorce or annulment, even though it was said that the marriage to Tyrion was not consumated blah blah. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This seems to me to be almost telegraphed by the over-the-top incompetence and nastiness of the Frey army. The director seems to be going to great pains to show just how dishonorable Jaime’s side is compared to the Blackfish. This I can see happening, with the exception of the Frey boys getting red wedding’ed by Jaime, after they try something only their father could pull off. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And of course, it certainly looked like the Blackfish convinced him that a siege of the castle is a very dicey proposition, what with winter coming and the castle set up for the long haul. So he may not have any choice but to make peace in the first place. Or do what dad did, show up with a friendly army and sack the place, but I don’t see that many allied forces available. So I expect a conventional siege, using the freys as cannon fodder. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/168 "2016-06-07T01:52:58Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I will say, after all of these not-dead returns this season, I absolutely believe every off-screen death means they’re not dead after all - seeing Syrio Forel again, or Stannis for that matter, would not surprise me. Brienne has stated that she executed Stannis, and in commentary on the DVD, the showrunners confirmed that Stannis was dead. His death wasn’t shown because they thought it was unnecessary. So we can count Stannis out at least. Unlike Benjen and the Hound, Syrio was a pretty minor character and had no unfinished business. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him turn up, he’s not as safe a bet as the others were. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn1767](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shawn1767](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shawn1767)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/169 "2016-06-07T02:01:15Z")
In regard to the Waif: isn’t this waif a “new” waif? When “Jaqen” killed himself by poison, didn’t the previous waif turn into a new Jaqen? Which means that there is no one Jaqen and no one particular waif? How can the “waif” hold a grudge against someone when they aren’t even the same person as the first waif? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/170 "2016-06-07T02:14:45Z")
> [@Shawn1767](#): > > In regard to the Waif: isn’t this waif a “new” waif? When “Jaqen” killed himself by poison, didn’t the previous waif turn into a new Jaqen? Which means that there is no one Jaqen and no one particular waif? We have no idea who if anyone died when “Jaqen” took the poison, or who was who before or afterward. > [@](#): > > How can the “waif” hold a grudge against someone when they aren’t even the same person as the first waif? It does seem that “Jaqen” and “The Waif” have consistent attitudes towards Arya, implying that there are two distinct personalities involved. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/171 "2016-06-07T02:42:22Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Good spot! I didn’t recognise him at all. I spotted him as soon as his face appeared on screen! > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Does anyone think it’s weird how everyone has started calling the head White Walker, the “Night King”? I heard Benjen mention it but I assumed he learned it from the Three-Eyed Raven. Where did everyone else come up with that name? I would assume the Night King is mentioned in the same legends that the white Walkers are mentioned in. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Are the people that the Hound was with of the same faith as the High Sparrow and Lancel Lannister? Because the Sparrows in the capital didn’t seem to be pacifists. As others have said, it’s a big religion and not everyone practices it in exactly the same way. [QUOTE=alphaboi867;19385476 That’s completely to be expected in a Medieval-equivalent society. Arya is a stranger to everyone there (& a foreigner to boot). You just don’t get involved in stuff that doesn’t concern you or you kin in a society like that.[/QUOTE] Nonsense. > [@Polerius](#): > > Why are people calling the Waif a waif? I had thought the term meant a very skinny girl but this one isn’t very skinny. Is this some other meaning of “waif”? > > [MW](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/waif)has one definition as “something found without an owner and especially by chance. a stray person or animal; especially : a homeless child” > > Is this the one that people are referring to, or do people really think she’s that skinny? > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We’re not calling her a waif, but the Waif, as in what the show calls the character. Yes, and it has nothing to do with being skinny. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/172 "2016-06-07T02:59:31Z")
One of those episodes that when the credits roll, one says “No! Not yet!” Can someone remind me of what missions Brienne and Littlefinger are on at the moment? I can only keep track of so many moving pieces. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/173 "2016-06-07T03:06:26Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > One of those episodes that when the credits roll, one says “No! Not yet!” > > Can someone remind me of what missions Brienne and Littlefinger are on at the moment? I can only keep track of so many moving pieces. 🙂 Sansa sent Brienne to find the Blackfish and request his help. Sansa told Littlefinger to get stepping. We don’t know what he’s up to at this point, probably something shady. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/174 "2016-06-07T03:38:31Z")
Stupid things that shouldn’t take you out of your dragon fic but do : man, the castle Black Fish took is completely anachronistic. Every other castle or wall we’ve seen in the series so far is typical of XI-XIIIth century dungeons or mottes ; but that one is decidedly early Renaissance and built to withstand (and use !) cannon. Dunno why but it felt super wrong. Also, Davos seems pretty taken by the whole “fighting the dead men” thing but I forget, has he even seen one yet ? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/175 "2016-06-07T03:57:58Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Also, Davos seems pretty taken by the whole “fighting the dead men” thing but I forget, has he even seen one yet ? Not that we know of. Although he rode with Stannis’s army across half of Westeros north of the Wall, they apparently encountered no White Walkers or wights. (And evidently no sentries or scouts from Mance Rayder’s army either.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/176 "2016-06-07T04:00:53Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Or, even more likely, that wasn’t Arya getting stabbed. Arya is sneaky as hell. Arya doesn’t wander up to a table, loudly announce where she wants to go, throw money around, and demand a cabin upgrade. Arya certainly doesn’t do all that and then go stand on a bridge in the middle of town, paying no attention to her surroundings, especially when she knows there are people trying to kill her. That person didn’t walk like Arya, dress like her, or act like her. Didn’t even have Needle by her side. > > There’s a few possibilities about who it could be. But I’d put money on that not being Arya at all. An intriguing theory, but I don’t buy it. Far more likely that it really was Arya. I have a suspicion that her survival will tax credulity, though. > [@adaher](#): > > …Littlefinger for all his moral faults prefers stability to loose cannons. That’s why he had Joffrey killed. Roose Bolton was stable enough for Littlefinger to back. Ramsey is not. I think he comes around fully to the Starks’ side, although as with anything Littlefinger does, his allegiance could change quickly. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > …I [think] Littlefinger genuinely misjudged how bad Sansa would be treated given how valuable she is and regrets giving her to the Boltons. Even Lord Bolton though[t] Ramsey would be able to refrain from “playing his games” with her. Agreed as to both. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Sansa sent Brienne to find the Blackfish and request his help. Sansa told Littlefinger to get stepping. We don’t know what he’s up to at this point, probably something shady. It’s what he does. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/177 "2016-06-07T04:00:59Z")
The accents are all over the place, so the details of castles aren’t going to bug me. I do really think they should have taken the Kenneth Branagh approach and let everyone just talk how they talk. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/178 "2016-06-07T04:03:00Z")
Oh, also, when did the Brotherhood without Banners started killing and robbing poor farmers ?! I thought they were Robin Hood kinda guys waging guerilla war against the armies of the highborn to protect the smallfolk ? ETA > [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > The Brotherhood Without Boners God_damn_, son. Win an internet, you’ve earned it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/179 "2016-06-07T04:16:28Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > I think Margery is letting Tommen know that he can be religious and not get any or not be religious and have it like it was before. A.k.a. the Lysistrata gambit :p. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631/180 "2016-06-07T04:19:13Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Oh, also, when did the Brotherhood without Banners started killing and robbing poor farmers ?! I thought they were Robin Hood kinda guys waging guerilla war against the armies of the highborn to protect the smallfolk ? It’s already been remarked on that the massacre would be completely out of character with how they have been portrayed up to this point. They have either gone completely off the rails or (much more likely) the massacre wasn’t committed by them. Either the three guys we saw weren’t actually BwB, or someone else entirely committed the massacre. (Although Melisandre has burned some adherents of the Faith of the Seven who would not convert, other followers of the Lord of Light haven’t been shown to slaughter those of other religions.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-07-the-broken-man-6-5-16-show-discussion/756631.md?page=10)