# Game of Thrones 6.08 "No One" 6/12/16 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226 "2016-06-12T23:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/201 "2016-06-14T07:40:45Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > No, but you were the one to come in here and say, “Neener neener neener!” so,…good for you. Which I did because people last week were calling me an idiot for saying things which turned out to be completely correct. So, yeah, good for me. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/202 "2016-06-14T07:55:28Z")
On IMDB, this episode currently has a ranking of 8.3—not bad, but for a series averaging 9.5, distinctly sub-par. In fact, it’s the second worst rated episode—only the season 5 episode “Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken” ranks lower at 7.8, and there’s another episode in season 6 sharing the 8.3 rating. So, it’s clearly not just us nitpickers here who thought the episode was a drop in quality for the show; and if you look at reviews online, you’ll see many noting the same problems that have been pointed out here. And as for the quality of the writing, I don’t care how one tries to fanwank it—if you show one character drop dead in seconds from an abdominal stabbing (Roose Bolton), and then just a couple of episodes later, another character receives virtually the same injuries and essentially walks it off with a couple of stitches and a bandage, displaying artistic feats and running around (what seems like) just a day later, then you’re just being inconsistent with what’s been shown on the show (and of course, real-world statistics have no applicability for a fictional universe—you can decide that abdominal wounds are a trifle, or they’re always fatal, but you can’t do both). And such inconsistencies simply are bad writing. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/203 "2016-06-14T08:27:59Z")
I have been bored shitless by the many faced bullshit for a season or more now. What is the fucking point except to loop her in a holding pattern for a year. This weeks comedy section - how to tell jokes - was too obvious and a little cringe worthy, in the wrong way. How to end a siege: think of an extremely obvious threat that inexplicably others didn’t think of. And then have the victim believe it, inexplicably. Random: why did that group kill Ian McShame’s sect? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/204 "2016-06-14T09:07:23Z")
p.s. glad to see Pod’s cock got a mention. Hope we see more of that in action. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/205 "2016-06-14T09:08:59Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > p.s. glad to see Pod’s cock got a mention. Hope we see more of that in action. Is it supposed to be notable for some reason? ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/206 "2016-06-14T09:31:05Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Is it supposed to be notable for some reason? [Yes](https://youtu.be/02QgSGH5mQA?t=1m17s) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/207 "2016-06-14T09:31:05Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If so, why was the Waif so incredibly incompetent so as not to inflict a fatal wound when she had taken Arya totally by surprise? Because she was more intent on inflicting pain than being an efficient killer. The Waif hated her, that’s why Jaqen admonished her not to make Arya suffer. Yet that is exactly what she did by inflicting a gut wound instead of slitting her throat. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/208 "2016-06-14T09:35:16Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > In fact, I just took another look, and there is blood on the blade before the first stab, so the scene definitely has continuity errors. The Waif slashed across Arya’s abdomen before the two stab wounds. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/209 "2016-06-14T09:39:57Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Not really; you can’t make me unsee the frame I posted, and simply alleging blur isn’t convincing when the blade seems absolutely solid. You have a blurred image, and I have like five sharp images, including a perfect image from the side. > [@](#): > > However, it’s possible that this scene was shot in multiple takes with different knives. In fact, I just took another look, and there is blood on the blade before the first stab, so the scene definitely has continuity errors. I’m pretty sure the stabbing knife is CGI, it’s just a handle. And she was slashed before the first stab. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/210 "2016-06-14T09:51:30Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > And as for the quality of the writing, I don’t care how one tries to fanwank it—if you show one character drop dead in seconds from an abdominal stabbing (Roose Bolton), and then just a couple of episodes later, another character **receives virtually the same injuries** and essentially walks it off with a couple of stitches and a bandage, displaying artistic feats and running around (what seems like) just a day later, then you’re just being inconsistent with what’s been shown on the show (and of course, real-world statistics have no applicability for a fictional universe—you can decide that abdominal wounds are a trifle, or they’re always fatal, but you can’t do both). And such inconsistencies simply are bad writing. Emphasis mine. Utter nonsense. Roose was stabbed four inches above his belt, with an actual 1 foot knife, upwards into his vital organs, and Ramsay appeared to pull the knife, cutting upward. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/vy4TA7l.png "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/vy4TA7l) Seriously, saying they’re the same wound is goofy. Never mind the fact that two similar wounds can cause vast differences in how serious they are depending on what you puncture. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/211 "2016-06-14T11:06:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Emphasis mine. Utter nonsense. Roose was stabbed four inches above his belt, with an actual 1 foot knife, upwards into his vital organs, and Ramsay appeared to pull the knife, cutting upward. > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/vy4TA7l) > > Seriously, saying they’re the same wound is goofy. Are you kidding? Look at [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3xqBDLUAk) of the Roose stabbing, and [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBZtRJeFb4) of Arya being stabbed. First of all, Arya is actually stabbed twice, and slashed first, in an area a little below the rib cage (she is smaller than Roose after all). Roose is stabbed once, and then Ramsay pushes the blade farther in; there’s no hint of an upwards movement. There is certainly nothing that separates these two injuries enough such that one says ‘instant death’ and the other ‘walk it off and you’ll be fine’. Anyway, the fact that we’re actually discussing this already proves that the show did a bad job at showing this—they could have shown the blade going directly into the heart in Roose’s case, and only making a superficial wound in Arya’s; they didn’t, to create fake drama. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/212 "2016-06-14T11:21:33Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I have been bored shitless by the many faced bullshit for a season or more now. What is the fucking point except to loop her in a holding pattern for a year. You and me both, could’ve been reduced to a training montage and nothing of value would’ve been lost and maybe we could’ve seen something more interesting. > [@](#): > > Random: why did that group kill Ian McShame’s sect? They were an extremist wing of the Brotherhood Without Banners who are worshipers of the Lord of Light, Beric tells the Hound that they attacked the sept (of the Seven) that they were building. On the Arya thing, I really don’t know why they showed her being stabbed in the gut twice and then taking a refreshing dip in canal shit water knowing that in the next episode she’d be parkouring around and fighting with no problem. Just have her get slashed or something, you can still have her being patched up by Lady Crane and then have her leave blood trails to where Needle is. Think the only reason they did was for cheap drama and to get the tinfoil hat brigade going for a week (personally I was convinced it was Jaqen wearing Arya’s face to test the Waif because I figured there was no way Arya would casually jaunt around knowing she’s made an enemy of an assassin’s guild, but so much for that), I think any other character that was shanked like that (except maybe Dany, Jon and Ramsay) would’ve been deader than disco. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/213 "2016-06-14T11:21:59Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Random: why did that group kill Ian McShame’s sect? Good old fashioned pillaging. The Hound mentioned that they have food and women and some steel. That’s enough. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/214 "2016-06-14T11:28:58Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Are you kidding? Look at [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3xqBDLUAk) of the Roose stabbing, and [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBZtRJeFb4) of Arya being stabbed. First of all, Arya is actually stabbed twice, and slashed first, in an area a little below the rib cage (she is smaller than Roose after all). Roose is stabbed once, and then Ramsay pushes the blade farther in; there’s no hint of an upwards movement. There is certainly nothing that separates these two injuries enough such that one says ‘instant death’ and the other ‘walk it off and you’ll be fine’. > > Anyway, the fact that we’re actually discussing this already proves that the show did a bad job at showing this—they could have shown the blade going directly into the heart in Roose’s case, and only making a superficial wound in Arya’s; they didn’t, to create fake drama. Arya is stabbed lower with the blade pointed down. Roose with a longer blade, and pointing up. But that’s beside the point, you can stab two people in the same area and get hugely different results! Assuming the same result from two wounds in the same area is goofy. As for the upwards movement, Ramsay twitches when they are still in the clutch, he certainly could be dragging the blade upward at that point. More imgur: [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/nJcPyNk) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/215 "2016-06-14T11:29:16Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Good old fashioned pillaging. The Hound mentioned that they have food and women and some steel. That’s enough. Not so sure about this, in the aftermath you see that there was plenty of food and whatnot they just left lying around which speaks against simple larceny being the motive. Pretty sure it was the sept building. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/216 "2016-06-14T11:33:19Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Not so sure about this, in the aftermath you see that there was plenty of food and whatnot they just left lying around which speaks against simple larceny being the motive. Pretty sure it was the sept building. They did take the time to hang the septon from his temple, which suggests they were specifically disdainful of the religion. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/217 "2016-06-14T11:37:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > They did take the time to hang the septon from his temple, which suggests they were specifically disdainful of the religion. Agreed, I think the point we were supposed to take away is that a wing of the Bw/oBs has turned into the Westeros version of ISIS committing atrocities in the name of the Lord of Light, rather than that they are just common bandits. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/218 "2016-06-14T11:47:19Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > On the Arya thing, I really don’t know why they showed her being stabbed in the gut twice and then taking a refreshing dip in canal shit water knowing that in the next episode she’d be parkouring around and fighting with no problem. Just have her get slashed or something, you can still have her being patched up by Lady Crane and then have her leave blood trails to where Needle is. > > Think the only reason they did was for cheap drama and to get the tinfoil hat brigade going for a week (personally I was convinced it was Jaqen wearing Arya’s face to test the Waif because I figured there was no way Arya would casually jaunt around knowing she’s made an enemy of an assassin’s guild, but so much for that), I think any other character that was shanked like that (except maybe Dany, Jon and Ramsay) would’ve been deader than disco. Exactly, two stabbings and she went all Jason Bourne. Fwiw, as much fun as it was, I’m struggling to find a reason for the travelling theatre group. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/219 "2016-06-14T11:51:01Z")
You know, for such a shitty TV show, it sure gets good ratings. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/220 "2016-06-14T11:54:12Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Arya is stabbed lower with the blade pointed down. Roose with a longer blade, and pointing up. Well, you see what you want to see, I guess. > [@](#): > > But that’s beside the point, you can stab two people in the same area and get hugely different results! Assuming the same result from two wounds in the same area is goofy. No, it’s not; it’s just expecting consistency. Sure, in the real world, you may be right; but a show shouldn’t expect its viewers to have a medical degree in order to gauge what the plausible outcomes of being wounded a certain way are. Show all the information necessary for the viewers to draw the conclusion you want then to draw (at least, in so far as you can’t assume it to be common knowledge—which the likely outcomes of stab wounds certainly aren’t); otherwise, you have bad writing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226.md?page=12)