# Game of Thrones 6.08 "No One" 6/12/16 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226 "2016-06-12T23:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/281 "2016-06-14T19:11:37Z")
Waif to Jaqen: “May I kill her? You promised me this.” Jaqen: “You may kill her. But don’t do it in a way that makes the audience suffer interminably.” Waif: \ ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/282 "2016-06-14T19:13:07Z")
Nah then we would argue over the efficacy of various poisons, the geasibility of their preparation at Westerosi tech level and the possible counter measures or antidotes that might be employed. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/283 "2016-06-14T19:14:45Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > While I really doubt this happening, this would help explain why Jaqen just let’s Arya go at the end if he knows it’s really the Waif in full Arya mode. I mean, obviously I was joking. But I sincerely think it’s a more worthwhile and more consistent outcome than what is\* actually \*happening. It means the whole myserious philosophy of the FM is not an utter waste of time. And we all ultimately love Arya so much that it’s a typical GRRM mindfuck. It does have the advantage that it seems to be consistent with everything that we’ve seen so far, and it’s unlikely to be falsified this season. So maybe the writers will read SDMB and write it in for next season! Reveal and flashback to what really happened in the dark room. It makes the FM philosophy meaningful and interesting that perhaps they would kill Arya, then kill all of her sworn enemies too to maintain the cosmic death balance. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/284 "2016-06-14T19:27:41Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > Nah then we would argue over the efficacy of various poisons, the geasibility of their preparation at Westerosi tech level and the possible counter measures or antidotes that might be employed. An ointment made from essence-of-potato heals deep penetrating gut stabs within minutes? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/285 "2016-06-14T19:38:43Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Tyrion’s fly-in-the-wine joke sounded familiar. I think I’ve heard it, with a Scotsman as the punchline nationality (reinforced by the brogue Peter Dinklage used as his Stark accent. And accents are not his forte.) > [@](#): > > [An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman](http://www.jokes4us.com/barjokes/flyinbeerjoke.html) walk into a bar and each orders a pint of beer. When the drinks arrive they notice that all three pints have a fly in them. The Englishman just looks at his pint in disgust and pushes it away. The Irishman picks out the fly with his fingers, throws it on the floor and proceeds to drink his beer. The Scotsman picks the fly out of his pint, and holds it over the drink saying, “Come on you little git, spit it out!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/286 "2016-06-14T19:41:49Z")
Tyrion’s joke seems consistent with an interpretation of Westeros as, basically, the British Isles, with King’s Landing representing London, and the northern territory occupied by the Starks as Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/287 "2016-06-14T19:42:43Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > someone please talk to me about the touring troop - what was the freaking point? I loved the acting Troupe. I liked seeing how Essos interpreted the events in Westeros. All of the characters were charming and interesting (I mean the actors in the show within the show). I would have loved to see more. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/288 "2016-06-14T19:47:23Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Tyrion’s joke seems consistent with an interpretation of Westeros as, basically, the British Isles, with King’s Landing representing London, and the northern territory occupied by the Starks as Scotland. And Dorne as Cornwall?😉 Yeah, it’s been said Westeros is basically Great Britain blown up to the size of South America, but the geographical parallels are vague at best. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/289 "2016-06-14T19:48:49Z")
Dorne’s not in Westeros, so I’d put it in Spain, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/290 "2016-06-14T19:52:10Z")
For the record, Tyrion’s joke goes like this: > [@](#): > > “Three lords walk into a tavern, a Stark, a Martell and a Lannister. They order ale, but then the barkeep brings them over, each of them finds a fly in his cup. > > “The Lannister, outraged, shoves the cup aside and demands another. The Martell plucks the fly out and swallows it whole. The Stark reaches into his cup, pulls out the fly and shouts: ‘Spit it out, you wee shit! Spit it out!'” I would expect a Lannister to be fastidious. However, we haven’t really been shown the Martells to be bug eaters or to be particularly disgusting, nor that the Starks are stingy or especially wine-loving. So the joke doesn’t work all that well even based on what we know of GoT. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/291 "2016-06-14T19:52:14Z")
Dorne is in Westoros, it’s one of the Seven Kingdoms. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/292 "2016-06-14T19:52:25Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > An ointment made from essence-of-potato heals deep penetrating gut stabs within minutes? I’m sure Olli’s mum could have boiled it up for us. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/293 "2016-06-14T19:55:25Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > An ointment made from essence-of-potato heals deep penetrating gut stabs within minutes? Maesters Hate Her! Find out how one Bravossi actress discovers 1 simple trick to fix penetrating abdomen wounds. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/294 "2016-06-14T19:57:49Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Dorne’s not in Westeros, so I’d put it in Spain, perhaps. Yes, especially since it is actually set in Spain (but as pointed out, it is in Westeros). The Ironborn are clearly stand-ins for Vikings, but they’re on the wrong side of the continent. I don’t see many parallels with other ethnic groups of Great Britain. The Northerners and the Hill Tribes of the Vale have vague similarities to the Celts, but not very clear ones. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/295 "2016-06-14T20:02:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Maesters Hate Her! Find out how one Bravossi actress discovers 1 simple trick to fix penetrating abdomen wounds. :: golf clap :: ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/296 "2016-06-14T20:27:09Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If GRRM were still writing: the waif killed Arya in the dark, gave both herself and Arya a face-ectomy, and the person talking to Jaqen in the final scene is the waif wearing Arya’s face. > > This has the GRRM-like quality of killing a beloved character who behaved foolishly and did not have the skills or resources to continue living - Arya _should_ die. And the entire faceless man shifting-identity plotline is no longer a complete waste of time. A girl (looking like Arya) returns to Westeros to murder-genie everyone that Arya hated and restore the cosmic death balance (for some reason). > > Since the same actress continues to play FM-Arya, everything looks just the same, so the Arya story does not die. We get a reveal much later that FM-Arya is really the waif. This would have been a great development. Not sure I would buy the motivation for the Waif to continue on as Arya, but definitely better than what we got from HBO. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/297 "2016-06-14T20:39:41Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > This would have been a great development. Not sure I would buy the motivation for the Waif to continue on as Arya, but definitely better than what we got from HBO. Yeah, the Waif now playing Arya is unexplained given what we know so far. But I don’t think it would be too difficult to explain in subsequent episodes as part of an FM murder-genie strategy. FM-Arya initially heads into Westeros all confident and strutting, but her overconfidence soon gets her captured by enemies and shipped off to Kings Landing in a cage. This capture turns out to be murder-genie strategy to get her close enough to Cersei, the Mountain and other enemies to kill them. Who’d be afraid of an unarmed teenage girl? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/298 "2016-06-14T20:53:18Z")
Why would the Waif first kill Arya and then proceed to attempt to kill all of Arya’s enemies? As far as we were shown, the Waif’s motivation for disliking Arya was that Arya appeared to be favored by Jaqen. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/299 "2016-06-14T21:02:04Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Why would the Waif first kill Arya and then proceed to attempt to kill all of Arya’s enemies? As far as we were shown, the Waif’s motivation for disliking Arya was that Arya appeared to be favored by Jaqen. Arya failed as a FM, their God wanted her dead and the Waif wanted Arya dead out of simple jealousy - that’s done. Killing Arya’s enemies would be more part of an FM God-Of-Death philosophy, maybe because Arya “named” them while she was a friend of Jaqen and an apprentice, so somehow Jaqen & the FM feel that the God Of Death is owed them too, and send the newly graduated Waif on that mission. I grant that it would need to be fleshed out – but really, at present the whole FM religion/philosophy that we have spent so much time trying to understand is incoherent, inconsistent and now seems to be meaningless to the plot. The original Jaqen seemed to be someone killing for deep philosophical reasons, not just money. Then we are given a bunch of mysterious supernaturalism, and then hints of killers-for-hire. I think tying this up somehow into some kind of relevant and semi-coherent philosophy would mean that the FM part of the last 2 seasons wasn’t a complete waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/300 "2016-06-14T21:12:50Z")
About the Arya story line. I’m just going to give myself a retcon lobotomy and believe that when we last saw her was when she had escaped from the many-faced god (MFG) and was bundled up in her little cave. Then after a very lucid dream (her hunger pierced her belly like a dagger in her dream metaphor) she awoke to find out the waif had found her in the cave. Arya snuffs the candle and ends up beating the waif with Needle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226.md?page=16)