# Game of Thrones 6.08 "No One" 6/12/16 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226 "2016-06-12T23:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/161 "2016-06-14T01:51:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > All I wanted was a cogent explanation of what was bad about it. What I got was, “Arya was walking out in the open” and “Arya had a plan to get stabbed.” I can’t speak for others, but what disappointed me so much were the chase scenes. I had a minimally invasive hernia operation several years ago. I could barely walk for several days. Arya was running full speed and leaping and dodging a few hours (and if it wasn’t just a few hours, they should have made that clear) after being stabbed with a foot-long knife. (If you have a DVR, look at it frame by frame – it’s literally a foot long. The Waif drove it in to the hilt. There would have been several inches sticking out of Arya’s back. And then she twisted it. Unless the people of Westeros are a different species, it is anatomically impossible for Arya not to have had some major organs lacerated. She would have bled out in minutes.) Last week, after watching the stabbing in slow motion and freeze frame, I thought it was ridiculous that she could stagger through the streets as long as she did. This week, it completely took me out of the show to watch her leaping and sprinting a few hours later. And as many have noted, the Waif ran like the android in the Terminator movies, and Arya hit every chase scene cliche, from the upset fruit stands to sliding under the cart. To be fair, they somehow missed having two guys carrying a large pane of glass in her path. If I were a writer for SNL and wanted to spoof GOT, I would have written a chase scene just like that. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/162 "2016-06-14T01:54:01Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > It only takes one coin to get a cabin to Braavos, two bags full to get a cabin to leave. The coin she used to get to Braavos was not payment for a cabin; it was like a Platinum Visa Card that said, “Give the bearer whatever she wants.” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/163 "2016-06-14T01:56:44Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > She got overconfident, and nearly died. What reason did she have to be overconfident? up until their last meeting she had done nothing but get her ass kicked by the waif. She was also very clearly warned that she would be killed if she failed her mission. It simply does not make one lick of sense for her to be wandering around like she doesn’t have a single care in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/164 "2016-06-14T02:09:34Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Why is it stupid for Arya to walk like she owns the place. Spell it out for me. Your insistence isn’t that convincing. It’s been explained many times. If you haven’t understood it by now, explaining it yet again isn’t going to help. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/165 "2016-06-14T02:10:26Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I can’t speak for others, but what disappointed me so much were the chase scenes. > > I had a minimally invasive hernia operation several years ago. I could barely walk for several days. Arya was running full speed and leaping and dodging a few hours (and if it wasn’t just a few hours, they should have made that clear) after being stabbed with a foot-long knife. (If you have a DVR, look at it frame by frame – it’s literally a foot long. The Waif drove it in to the hilt. There would have been several inches sticking out of Arya’s back. And then she twisted it. Unless the people of Westeros are a different species, it is anatomically impossible for Arya not to have had some major organs lacerated. She would have bled out in minutes.) > > Last week, after watching the stabbing in slow motion and freeze frame, I thought it was ridiculous that she could stagger through the streets as long as she did. This week, it completely took me out of the show to watch her leaping and sprinting a few hours later. > > And as many have noted, the Waif ran like the android in the Terminator movies, and Arya hit every chase scene cliche, from the upset fruit stands to sliding under the cart. To be fair, they somehow missed having two guys carrying a large pane of glass in her path. > > If I were a writer for SNL and wanted to spoof GOT, I would have written a chase scene just like that. I posted some info above about how abdominal stab wounds are like 15% fatal. Your intestines tend to move out of the way of stuff as slow as a knife. It’s certainly possible she didn’t have significant organ damage. I agree the chase could have been better, but it told the story well enough. Also, the knife isn’t a foot long, it’s probably closer to six inches. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/5oyHboc) And it would have been awesome if some guys where moving a stained glass window. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/166 "2016-06-14T02:12:08Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Abdominal stab wounds in the front aren’t super-likely to be killing blows. In the GoT world, they’re almost certain to be fatal in a short time. Maester Luwin and Jojen Reed received similar wounds and they were mercy-killed without question by people who cared for them almost immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/167 "2016-06-14T02:13:21Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s been explained many times. If you haven’t understood it by now, explaining it yet again isn’t going to help. I’ve seen feeble attempts, along the line of Sam Stone’s with the idea she should have whispered into the Captian’s ear, “I’m a tradesperson, I would like to secure steerage accommodations. Tell no one!” It’s easy to say, “You’ve already been told.” Take ten seconds, and explain it as you understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/168 "2016-06-14T02:15:03Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > In the GoT world, they’re almost certain to be fatal in a short time. Maester Luwin and Jojen Reed received similar wounds and they were mercy-killed without question by people who cared for them almost immediately. Presumably they got the bowels. Also, a sword wound. You can’t just generalize about abdomen wounds. They could kill you in seconds, or kill in in days, or you can survive. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/169 "2016-06-14T02:15:58Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Also, the knife isn’t a foot long, it’s probably closer to six inches. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/5oyHboc) Plenty long enough to go almost entirely through the abdominal cavity of someone Arya’s size. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/170 "2016-06-14T02:17:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Presumably they got the bowels. Also, a sword wound. You can’t just generalize about abdomen wounds. They could kill you in seconds, or kill in in days, or you can survive. From where she was stabbed, the Waif would have gotten Arya’s bowels. And the people on the show are so sure such wounds are fatal they mercy kill anyone who receives them. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/171 "2016-06-14T02:18:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Plenty long enough to go almost entirely through the abdominal cavity of someone Arya’s size. Yeah, of course, but I was responding to a claim that it was a foot long knife that should have protruded out the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/172 "2016-06-14T02:19:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s easy to say, “You’ve already been told.” Take ten seconds, and explain it as you understand it. Ten seconds wasted. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/173 "2016-06-14T02:24:28Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > From where she was stabbed, the Waif would have gotten Arya’s bowels. And the people on the show are so sure such wounds are fatal they mercy kill anyone who receives them. Pardon, but that’s almost certainly not true. In that cite I posted above it mentions that blades tend to push the intestines out of the way. I’m finding it weird that you’re assuming all abdomen wounds are the same, and worth a mercy killing. Robert Baratheon’s wound was such that you could smell shit. He was totes gonna die. The evidence is that Arya’s didn’t puncture her bowels, because she isn’t septic. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/174 "2016-06-14T02:27:55Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Pardon, but that’s almost certainly not true. In that cite I posted above it mentions that blades tend to push the intestines out of the way. > > I’m finding it weird that you’re assuming all abdomen wounds are the same, and worth a mercy killing. Robert Baratheon’s wound was such that you could smell shit. He was totes gonna die. The evidence is that Arya’s didn’t puncture her bowels, because she isn’t septic. If so, why was the Waif so incredibly incompetent so as not to inflict a fatal wound when she had taken Arya totally by surprise? You can’t have it both ways. Either way it’s stupid: That the Waif didn’t know her business, or that Arya survived what should have been a fatal wound. And that’s why it’s bad writing. No matter how you try to explain it, you end up with stupidity on the other end. Just the incredible contortions you’re going through trying to explain this stuff makes my point. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/175 "2016-06-14T02:29:32Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Also, the knife isn’t a foot long, it’s probably closer to six inches. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/5oyHboc) It’s foreshortened in your picture. It’s very clearly twice as long in one frame on my DVR, but I have no way to transfer that to a jpg. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/176 "2016-06-14T02:33:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Ten seconds wasted. Sexy response. Much throb. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/177 "2016-06-14T02:36:51Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Abdominal stab wounds in the front aren’t super-likely to be killing blows. > > From: [http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1993/10/05/knives-00000/](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1993/10/05/knives-00000/) > I agree she was careless. I disagree that this is bad writing. She got overconfident, and nearly died. You’re underselling your cite, the study found the 95% confidence interval for all stab wounds to the abdomen to be between 3% and 9%. Of course everyone in the study received proper 1950s style hospital attention, and “People who died before reaching hospital are NOT counted.” So the Westeros rate is likely to be much, much higher than the 1950s Memphis Tennessee rate. > [@TonySinclair](#): > > The coin she used to get to Braavos was not payment for a cabin; it was like a Platinum Visa Card that said, “Give the bearer whatever she wants.” It’s a [challenge coin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_coin) signifying Arya’s link to the organisation rather than a piece of currency. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/178 "2016-06-14T02:46:44Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > It’s foreshortened in your picture. It’s very clearly twice as long in one frame on my DVR, but I have no way to transfer that to a jpg. I think that’s motion blur, because that knife in the screencap is coming out so as to be sideways. Here I did a few more. I know the scene you’re talking about, for one frame it’s smeared out, and does appear longer, but it really seems to be a shorter knife. In the bottom pic there is a view of the knife in the Waif’s hand held pointing down in the long shot. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/ThUmBIE.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/ThUmBIE) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/179 "2016-06-14T02:51:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If so, why was the Waif so incredibly incompetent so as not to inflict a fatal wound when she had taken Arya totally by surprise? Because she was overconfident, and arrogant, and wanted Arya to suffer, and know it was her before dealing the death blow. She took her mask off, and leered at her after all. > [@](#): > > You can’t have it both ways. Either way it’s stupid: That the Waif didn’t know her business, or that Arya survived what should have been a fatal wound. No, it can also be the Waif was trying to cause suffering. > [@](#): > > And that’s why it’s bad writing. No matter how you try to explain it, you end up with stupidity on the other end. Just the incredible contortions you’re going through trying to explain this stuff makes my point. See above. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226/180 "2016-06-14T02:51:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Yeah, of course, but I was responding to a claim that it was a foot long knife that should have protruded out the other side. OK, you forced me to do something bad, but anything to fight ignorance. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/3N92cFA.jpeg "footlong") ](https://imgur.com/3N92cFA) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-08-no-one-6-12-16-show-discussion/757226.md?page=10)