# Game of Thrones 6.09 "Battle of the Bastards" 6/19/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 19, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789 "2016-06-19T17:59:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/421 "2016-06-23T21:48:59Z")
All other languages spoken on the show use subtitles. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/422 "2016-06-23T22:02:52Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > All other languages spoken on the show use subtitles. Does this mean you think the Westerosi are actually speaking English?😉 Alternatively, like in WWII movies where the Germans are shown speaking English with a thick German accent, they could have them speak English with a Dothraki or Valyrian accent. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/423 "2016-06-23T22:12:24Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > All other languages spoken on the show use subtitles. But of course! Do you think AGoT is entertainment? They (you know, _They_) try to - subtly - introduce a world-wide audience to skills, among them knowledge of specific languages, that will be needed in days to come. We can only speculate why they can’t do this more openly, but we should still applaud their efforts. Skoros morghot vestri? Tubi daor. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/424 "2016-06-23T22:15:25Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > (Then why do they suddenly speak German over here?) They speak Spanish here (at least on the other HBO channel). ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/425 "2016-06-23T22:18:47Z")
Daoruni gīmī, Colibri. Or 
 Do you? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/426 "2016-06-23T22:46:43Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > They speak Spanish here (at least on the other HBO channel). How did they handle Stannis’s less vs. fewer comment? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/427 "2016-06-23T22:47:59Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > Do you? Daor. TolÄ« rhĆ«qo lƍtinti, kostilus. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/428 "2016-06-23T22:49:53Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > How did they handle Stannis’s less vs. fewer comment? I watch the English version. But the DVD has Spanish subtitles. I could check. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/429 "2016-06-23T23:05:39Z")
I wonder how all the different translations handled it. Also the hold the door = Hodor scene. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/430 "2016-06-24T00:45:07Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I wonder how all the different translations handled it. > > Also the hold the door = Hodor scene. In Spanish, is his name Sorta? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/431 "2016-06-24T00:46:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Graffiti in Mereen is also often written in English in Roman characters, even though it is supposedly in Low Valyrian. How would we know that? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/432 "2016-06-24T02:08:27Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Thank you. I was so lost and had no idea who or what anyone was talking about. You’re welcome. I remind you of the motto of these boards. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/433 "2016-06-24T02:10:23Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > How would we know that? Because that’s the language they speak there. Tyrion refers to the language as Valyrian [here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJoAJyarvSc) (He, Danaerys, and Missandei speak High Valyrian, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/434 "2016-06-24T02:12:39Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I remind you of the motto of these boards. Which can also be tiresome when invoked over trivia.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/435 "2016-06-24T02:44:28Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > How did they handle Stannis’s less vs. fewer comment? Out of curiosity, I looked it up. In season two, Davos says he has “less fingernails to clean,” which they translate as _“menor” uñas_. In season five, the Night’s Watch captain says “less enemies,” which is translated as _menores enemigos_. In both cases, Stannis corrects it by saying _menos_. In this case, _menor/menores_ would mean “smaller, lesser in size,” while _menos_ means both lesser in quantity and fewer in number. So the people using _menor_ are making a grammatical error, but it’s a pretty major one. No one would say they have smaller fingernails or smaller enemies. So the joke doesn’t really work, but it seems that’s the best they could do. Jokes often don’t translate very well. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/436 "2016-06-24T03:15:24Z")
How did the bodies get piled so high? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/437 "2016-06-24T03:44:40Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > In Spanish, is his name Sorta? The translators didn’t know the reveal, so they just used Hodor from the beginning. [Here’s how his final scene went in Spanish:](http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-hodor-name-reveal-made-absolutely-no-sense-to-viewers-watching-it-dubbed-in-spanish-a7044636.html) > [@](#): > > “SostĂ©n la puerta!” > > “Sost la uerta!” > > “Sos la rta!” > > “Solata!” > > “Hodor!” So yeah, if they had known in advance Sorta or Sosta might have worked. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/438 "2016-06-24T04:04:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Does this mean you think the Westerosi are actually speaking English?😉 Yeah, I am comfortable translating “the common tongue” as “whatever language we broadcast this in”. It works that way in D&D, too, if I recall. The common tongue in the US is English, but when you play D&D (or watch GoT) in Mexico, the common tongue is Spanish. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789/439 "2016-06-24T04:08:23Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Counterpoint: > [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/8/88/601\_Mhysa\_is\_a\_master.png/revision/latest?cb=20160501234839](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/8/88/601_Mhysa_is_a_master.png/revision/latest?cb=20160501234839) > [@Colibri](#): > > Graffiti in Mereen is also often written in English in Roman characters, even though it is supposedly in Low Valyrian. The link above is an example. ---
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> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > To me, the notion that the Lord of Light could be literally holding his hand over Jon seems
 wrong, somehow. Unearned, a too simple chosen-for-the-sake-of-being-chosen explanation. I mean, if Jon eventually does save the day (and Westeros), as many expect, or is at least instrumental in doing so, then the whole thing would be a literal ‘because God willed it’. There just doesn’t seem much of a point to the story that way. Do you have the same problem with Dany’s unearned powers to resist flame and control dragons? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-09-battle-of-the-bastards-6-19-16-show-discussion/757789.md?page=23)