# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/181 "2016-06-27T16:15:24Z")
I wonder what Cersie’s backup plan was? Tommen had just basically ended her, whatever the outcome of the trial. She’d be dead or the plaything of the Sparrows. If he hadn’t jumped out the window, now what? He’s still king, and probably wants her to pay for ruining his life. Either way, she had to realize she was toast if Tommen lived. I was hoping she’d go to trial, confess to incest - oh, and by the way, punk, you ain’t really the king. Escape in the confusion and light the fuse. The Mountain can’t take out the Septa’s eyes, she still needs to have Cersie’s face be that last thing she sees. But The Mountain is a notorious torturer, I’m sure he’s got some tricks up his sleeve. The last time people were chanting “King of the North!” it didn’t go so well. Made me cringe. The old Three Eyed Raven sure didn’t do a very good job of teaching Bran, even if their session got cut short precisely because of one of the really important things he neglected to mention. Did Bran not get the hint that the touch of the White Walker King negated the White Walker proofing magic the first time around? And now, with Benjen turning back and specifically mentioning that he can’t pass The Wall because of said magic, Bran prepares to cross The Wall. Benjen seems to know quite a bit about this whole deal, would have been nice of him to remind Bran since - oh, never mind. The whole story deadlocks without White Walkers south of The Wall. Happy trails, Bran. Euron’s gotta show up and sink about half of Dany’s boats. Nothing could stop her if she lands full force. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/182 "2016-06-27T16:15:44Z")
> [@JcWoman](#): > > I think Tommen was the most tragic character in this episode. He was never trained to rule (being the youngest kid), knew he was weak because of that but couldn’t learn fast enough. I think that as he watched the Sept explode, he realized that there were machinations going on in his court that he wasn’t privy to - something a king should never experience. Then realizing that he was nothing more than a figurehead, he felt he had nothing really to live for. At least this is how I read the situation, and it explains for me the matter of fact, unhesitating way he stepped out the window. Also he was a true believer in the religion, and seemed to truly believe that the faith and crown working together would be best for the kingdom. Seeing the Sept blow up, and knowing that so many people were in there, including the High Sparrow who had been counseling him, and knowing that his wife was also likely in there would definitely bring him to despair in the moment. In the After the Thrones, one of the creators said that if Cersei had been in there with him to comfort him, he probably wouldn’t have jumped, but Tommen was all alone. That scene with Tommen going out was well done, but also I’m predicting that him going out the window will be one of the most used gifs from the show, I’ve already seen it in multiple tweets with meme text. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/183 "2016-06-27T16:24:13Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The editing and music in the opening scenes before the destruction is some of the best work they’ve ever done. I think they deserve an Emmy for the first 20 minutes of this episode alone. I especially love the long shot before Tommen walks out the window. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/184 "2016-06-27T16:30:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The wildfire was still there from the time of the Mad King. He put hidden caches all around the city, and it would seem no one has been looking for them all these years, so they’re still around. It didn’t seem all that well hidden, though. Did no one look in the basement? (I guess they may have found it elsewhere and moved it to under the Sept, but that seems pretty dangerous) ---
**Author:** ![Sandwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@Sandwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwood)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/185 "2016-06-27T16:30:40Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > The show left every lane open to adapt [Sansa’s] character to the needs of the story. But I agree that we have seen a more plotting side of her lately. In any case, it’s a beneficial move for her to let the houses rally around Jon. He is going to focus on the war against the Night King, while she can put in motion political schemes that go beyond that limited goal, in scope as well as in time. And that comfortably behind the scene - she has watched Littlefinger for quite a while, after all. I’m not so sure about that whole “éminence grise” theory, for the simple reason that Sansa currently seems to again lack a greater goal, now that Winterfell has been retaken and Ramsay is mince. Also, she may not be as naïve as she used to be, but she is still young and inexperienced and doesn’t actually have a lot of foresight when it comes to Playing the Game and thinking more than one step ahead. I don’t think her plans to retake Winterfell ever went any further than exactly that, to bring her ancestral home back under the Stark banner, and most likely with her at the head of the house since she’s the only surviving Stark as far as everyone knows and believes. I think she did not expect things to go the way they did, with Jon Snow being crowned King in the North and made de-facto ruler of the household. Going by her personal history, a good amount of her life so far has been spent being quite passive and powerless, nothing more than a political token to be married off to whoever might benefit from an alliance with the Stark name. I can’t help but think that she might be feeling like she’s headed towards something similar again, now that whatever political power she may have held has obviously been taken away from her again. She may not wish anything ill to come to Jon Snow, but it’s also been made clear that they never were close as children, and that she doesn’t entirely trust him or his ability to make decisions. It probably didn’t help that he never even tried to point out that actually Sansa is the Stark heir, not him. Therefore she may see a future with Baelish as a viable alternative now, especially if she thinks she can manipulate him rather than the other way round… and that may put her at odds with Jon at some stage. ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/186 "2016-06-27T16:34:07Z")
Per Varys’ speedy return, it is called the Narrow Sea. Questions: Pycelle - Was he a molester of some of the little birds? If I remember correctly, he was mentioned as depraved and seemed to always have a prostitute in his bed. How many seasons are left? One or two? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/187 "2016-06-27T16:34:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > … > > The editing and music in the opening scenes before the destruction is some of the best work they’ve ever done. It was excellent, but it felt like it was from a different series. The style was jarringly different than what I’m used to in the show. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it did feel a little odd to me. Perhaps I’ll enjoy it more on the next viewing. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/188 "2016-06-27T16:35:15Z")
> [@Doyle](#): > > Pycelle - What he a molester of some of the little birds? If I remember correctly, he was mentioned as depraved and seemed to always have a prostitute in his bed. > > How many seasons are left? One or two? Pycelle was not the mater of the birds, Varys was. Qyburn took control of them after Varys left. We think two seasons, of 7 or 8 episodes each. But that is not certain. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/189 "2016-06-27T16:37:13Z")
> [@Sandwood](#): > > She may not wish anything ill to come to Jon Snow, but it’s also been made clear that they never were close as children, and that she doesn’t entirely trust him or his ability to make decisions. It probably didn’t help that he never even tried to point out that actually Sansa is the Stark heir, not him. They had that very conversation explicitly and covered all these points. She told Jon that she considered him the rightful heir to Winterfell. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/190 "2016-06-27T16:38:16Z")
> [@Sandwood](#): > > She may not wish anything ill to come to Jon Snow, but it’s also been made clear that they never were close as children, and that she doesn’t entirely trust him or his ability to make decisions. It probably didn’t help that he never even tried to point out that actually Sansa is the Stark heir, not him. Just a few scenes earlier both of those things were addressed. She regretted not trusting him and they agreed to trust each other more. And he said he was having the Lord’s chamber prepared for her. And she says that he should take it. She’s comfortable with the idea of Jon being the heir to winterfell. She was happy when they proclaimed him King in the North. The smile faded from her face when she realized that it made Littlefinger unhappy, which would make things difficult. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/191 "2016-06-27T16:39:37Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > We think two seasons, of 7 or 8 episodes each. But that is not certain. These threads move fast; the [most recent “cite”](http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/21/game-thrones) linked theorizes 13 episodes total: 7 next year, 6 the year after. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/192 "2016-06-27T16:42:34Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > The old Three Eyed Raven sure didn’t do a very good job of teaching Bran, even if their session got cut short precisely because of one of the really important things he neglected to mention. Did Bran not get the hint that the touch of the White Walker King negated the White Walker proofing magic the first time around? And now, with Benjen turning back and specifically mentioning that he can’t pass The Wall because of said magic, Bran prepares to cross The Wall. Benjen seems to know quite a bit about this whole deal, would have been nice of him to remind Bran since - oh, never mind. The whole story deadlocks without White Walkers south of The Wall. Happy trails, Bran. Doesn’t Bran have a homing beacon on him as well? The Night King found him almost instantly after he touched him. Bran seems to be enormously vulnerable to any passing White Walker or Wight. I’m not sure where his story line is going. At this point it looks like he’s just there to invalidate the magic the wall. Beyond that, it’s not clear that he has any idea of what he is capable of, let alone a cogent plan to use his powers. > [@Sandwood](#): > > I’m not so sure about that whole “éminence grise” theory, for the simple reason that Sansa currently seems to again lack a greater goal, now that Winterfell has been retaken and Ramsay is mince. Also, she may not be as naïve as she used to be, but she is still young and inexperienced and doesn’t actually have a lot of foresight when it comes to Playing the Game and thinking more than one step ahead. She shouldn’t have any goal beyond that. Winter is here and the idea of anyone invading the north is laughable. Similarly, the idea of the North marching south to take revenge is ludicrous. They should simply prepare for winter and rebuild their strength. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/193 "2016-06-27T16:47:03Z")
A few questions I had: 1. Why did the little kid lead the guy down to the wildfire only to mortally wound him? Was there any in-story reason for that or was it purely to create an artificial sense of suspense for the audience of whether he’d be able to prevent it. 2. Isn’t Jaime on Arya’s list? Because he was on site when she killed Frey. Could’ve had a twofer. 3. Ok, so now Bran knows and we know that Jon has a claim to the Iron Throne. What is the mechanism by which everybody else learns this in a way that they’ll treat it seriously. Does anybody else even know the Three Eyed Raven exists? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/194 "2016-06-27T16:55:29Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > A few questions I had: > > 1. Why did the little kid lead the guy down to the wildfire only to mortally wound him? Was there any in-story reason for that or was it purely to create an artificial sense of suspense for the audience of whether he’d be able to prevent it. > > 2. Isn’t Jaime on Arya’s list? Because he was on site when she killed Frey. Could’ve had a twofer. > > 3. Ok, so now Bran knows and we know that Jon has a claim to the Iron Throne. What is the mechanism by which everybody else learns this in a way that they’ll treat it seriously. Does anybody else even know the Three Eyed Raven exists? 1. In-story, I think the kid’s role was to wait until everyone was in the Sept, and then go light the candles. Lancel just happened to follow him down there, so he needed to be shanked. Out-of-story, the audience needed a POV to what was happening in the tunnel. 2. No, he wasn’t around for any of the various betrayals, although you’d think she’d hold a grudge for crippling her brother. 3. No one knows for sure. The 3ER does not seem to be a commonly known thing. Bran is not far from Winterfell at this point, though. He’s also not terribly far from Greywater Watch, the home of Howland Reed, who was also present with Ned at the Tower of Joy, and Bran is conveniently traveling with Howland Reed’s daughter. So there’s a living witness that he now knows about., ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/195 "2016-06-27T17:15:02Z")
I watched the episode a second time this morning; I don’t think that was a little kid who led the grand maester down there, but instead it was a little person (i.e., a dwarf). ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/196 "2016-06-27T17:17:25Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > She was happy when they proclaimed him King in the North. The smile faded from her face when she realized that it made Littlefinger unhappy, which would make things difficult. A perfectly valid interpretation. It is weird that Sansa’s name doesn’t even come up once in the meeting of the Houses, not even from little Lady Mormont who should have no trouble with the idea that a female can lead a House. But we see no indication that Miss Mormont’s speech was anyone’s idea but hers, so there is nothing that suggests that Sansa influenced the outcome of the deliberation in any way. But she definitely realized that Littlefinger wasn’t amused by it. He will tempt her again, and she will have to decide about her future once more. > [@JSexton](#): > > 1. No, he wasn’t around for any of the various betrayals, although you’d think she’d hold a grudge for crippling her brother. Arya doesn’t know that Jamie crippled her brother; sure, he played a role in the downfall of her family - but, I think, he doesn’t qualify. Arya focuses on those, who directly harmed someone she cared about and was not able to protect. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/197 "2016-06-27T17:21:07Z")
> [@Sandwood](#): > > She may not wish anything ill to come to Jon Snow, but it’s also been made clear that they never were close as children, and that she doesn’t entirely trust him or his ability to make decisions. It probably didn’t help that he never even tried to point out that actually Sansa is the Stark heir, not him. Sorry, but I see her aligning with Jon as a possible marriage, Jon’s kiss on her forehead was just this side of an intimate kiss. > [@Sandwood](#): > > Therefore she may see a future with Baelish as a viable alternative now, especially if she thinks she can manipulate him rather than the other way round… and that may put her at odds with Jon at some stage. Nope, she had that when LF told her what his dream of being on the Iron Throne with her at his side and she pushed him away and said nice dream. She needed the Knights of the Vale, not specifically him. He was just the lever that she used to get what she needed. Notice on the battlements, she says nobody trusts littlefinger, when Jon asks about Lord Baelish and trusting him. So far, she has had one marriage to Tyrion, which not bad, was not the original contract to Joffery and being queen. Then she was angled by LF to Robyn, before heading to winterfell and shopped to Ramsay, and all for his benefit. No, LF is now aligned with the Starks with nothing really in his benefit , and no real way to change sides. I don’t see him lasting through season 7. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/198 "2016-06-27T17:23:39Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Pretty sure Walder was depicted as having already eaten a slice and was asking for seconds. I’ll have to check that out on re-watch as well. I couldn’t quite see what was revealed when he lifted the crust off the pie. Was it a body part? > [@ctnguy](#): > > Did I see rightly that some of the ships in Dany’s fleet had the red sun of Dorne on their sails? Do we assume that Varys sailed back to Meereen with the Dornish fleet? > [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Varys joined Dany with the Tyrell fleet, you can see the Tyrell rose on the sails of some of Dany’s ships. [Here’s the scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_fhx-MvZzY) I don’t see any sigil on the sails aside from the red Targaryen three-headed dragon. At a distance it can look like a round symbol like that of the Martells or Tyrells. > [@Shakester](#): > > The last time we heard Arya’s shit list, Beric, Thoros, and Melisandre had been deleted from it. As had the Hound. So while they’re probably not exactly forgiven, they’re also probably not of much interest to [del]Inigo Montoya[/del] Arya. While she hasn’t mentioned them recently, that doesn’t mean they aren’t on the list if she runs into them. > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > Jorah’s story is probably over. However, when Dany heads north I think her memory of Jorah will be important if Lady Mormont is present at negotiations. The series hasn’t usually left a loose end like that. Jorah will probably be cured, but whether or not he is he will die somehow trying to aid Dany (maybe unsuccessfully). > [@John\_Mace](#): > > The one thing I’m wishing for that didn’t happen is for Bran to get his legs back. I’m really tired of seeing other people dragging his ass around. Oh, and Jon needs to lose the man-bun! 🙂 Bran asked the previous Three-eyed Raven if he would walk again. The Raven told him no, but he would fly. I’m betting that’s more than figurative or a reference to warging. > [@DigitalC](#): > > So much love for Cersei’s evil queen outfit. In such a great episode that stood out as an incredible detail. Yeah, I loved it. She’s gone full Maleficent. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Yeah, but he’s backslid horribly, as his conversation with/threat to Edmure Tully shows. Killing newborn babies - that’s on the Mountain/Ramsay side of evil. I think that was a threat he wasn’t planning on carrying out. On the other hand, Walder said that Edmure had been returned to prison, even though Jaime promised him he would be exiled with his wife and son to Casterly Rock. And it’s not clear what was the ultimate fate of the Tully garrison either. If Jaime didn’t keep his promise to Edmure on the exile, they would probably have been slaughtered by the Freys after surrendering. > [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > We know that Jon died, so fulfilled his oath; but it doesn’t appear to be information that has been shared around all the Northern lords. From their perspective Jon is an oathbreaker and Northern honour should dictate he be executed, right? I can’t imagine that such an extraordinary tale wouldn’t have spread throughout the North by word of mouth. Tormund is at the meeting and he saw it first hand. In any case, it doesn’t seem they are at all concerned that Jon is no longer with the Watch. > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Well, there’s a couple of reasons. Most importantly, Pycell had thrown in with Kevan and Cersei probably wanted a Grand Maester and Small Council that were unquestionably loyal to her. Also, as you said, Qyburn probably also enjoyed it because of all the abuse Pycell had hurled his way since he arrived in King’s Landing. But I don’t think the assassination would have happened if Cersei hadn’t wanted to replace Pycell with Qyburn. Right. Kevan, Pycelle, and Mace threw Cersei and Jaime off the Small Council. Qyburn was her ally. There was a bit of a _Godfather_ vibe there of settling old scores all at once. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > He’s actually the Hand now. He had the pin on when putting the crown on her head. I missed that detail. Interesting, since Qyburn has no military experience. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Based on what Tyrion said before, I think it’s clear it’s left over from when the Mad King stockpiled it to blow up the city. Definitely. > [@EllisDee](#): > > A [more recent article](http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/21/game-thrones) suggests 13 episodes total: 7 next year, then 6 more the following year to finish it off. It says both it’s a “split season” and that it’s across two years. “Split season” implies to me that all the episodes will take place within 12 months but with a gap between them. > [@obfusciatrist](#): > > A few questions I had: > > 1. Why did the little kid lead the guy down to the wildfire only to mortally wound him? Was there any in-story reason for that or was it purely to create an artificial sense of suspense for the audience of whether he’d be able to prevent it. That didn’t make a lot of sense. There didn’t seem to be much reason for the kid to lead Lancel down there and potentially reveal the plot. Lancel could have been killed earlier. > [@](#): > > 1. Isn’t Jaime on Arya’s list? Because he was on site when she killed Frey. Could’ve had a twofer. Jaime’s never been on Arya’s list. No one but Jaime and Cersei know Jaime pushed Bran out the window (and even Bran has forgotten it). And I think Jaime and the Lannister forces had left the Twins before Arya made her move on Walder. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/199 "2016-06-27T17:30:58Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I couldn’t quite see what was revealed when he lifted the crust off the pie. Was it a body part? Yup, they showed a nail and part of a finger, a thumb, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/200 "2016-06-27T17:33:37Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > Yup, they showed a nail and part of a finger, a thumb, I think. Thanks. It was probably clear it was a Frey from the dirt under the nail.😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=11)