# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/281 "2016-06-28T02:41:26Z")
By the way, speaking of the music [here’s the score](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-gbqbVd8c) from the first ~10 minutes of this episode. Haunting and lovely and so perfect. I think the score was absolutely a big part of what made this one of the best episodes of television that has ever aired. It’s also received incredibly high ratings on IMDB, with an arithmetic mean of 9.9 (currently 94.2% of 46,343 votes giving it a 10/10 rating). Episode 9: “Battle of the Bastards” was also rated very highly with a mean of 9.8 (92.7% of 106,489 votes giving it 10/10). While this season definitely had its flaws, I think these episodes more than make up for it and make it one of the best seasons yet. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/282 "2016-06-28T02:50:37Z")
I noticed on Wikipedia that these last two episodes were directed by the same person (Miguel Sapochnik) who directed last season’s excellent 8th episode, “Hardhome.” I hope they continue to use him for some of the ‘big’ episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/283 "2016-06-28T02:52:48Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I noticed on Wikipedia that these last two episodes were directed by the same person (Miguel Sapochnik) who directed last season’s excellent 8th episode, “Hardhome.” I hope they continue to use him for some of the ‘big’ episodes. People on Reddit have been clamoring for him to direct the entire rest of the series. I’m sure it won’t be that way, but it would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/284 "2016-06-28T03:11:53Z")
I think the 9th episode being 9.8 is very silly - I don’t even think it ends up making the top 10 of the series. The direction, stunts, cinematography, and effects were great, but it was nowhere near an all-time great. This episode is much more deserving of high ratings, although 10 is a bit much. That’s Ozymandius-tier. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/285 "2016-06-28T03:28:13Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Jon might not be a bastard after all. If Lyanna went with Rhaegar willingly (as has been implied) instead of being kidnapped it not unlikely they married, especially once she became pregnant. The marriage would be bigamous and thus invalid. Rhaegar was killed at the Battle of the Trident, and his wife was killed during the Sack of King’s Landing after that. So Rhaegar would have been married at any time he was with Lyanna. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/286 "2016-06-28T04:50:47Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > There’s no way in hell either of them are going to consider the other as a possible spouse. **They were raised as brother and sister** , even the revelation that they’re only first cousins isn’t going to make it any less squick worthy to them. No they weren’t. Sansa treated Jon probably much worse than Caitlyn did and Caitlyn treated him like shit. She even apologized to him for they way she treated him. Jon was present but not treated like family when it mattered. The boy Starks and Arya had more interaction with Jon. Now Jon was close to Arya and I definitely think if it was Arya/Jon…yeah definitely gross for them. (although GRRM did say originally early versions of Arya and Jon had romantic feelings for each other) ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/287 "2016-06-28T04:57:27Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > No they weren’t. Sansa treated Jon probably much worse than Caitlyn did and Caitlyn treated him like shit. She even apologized to him for they way she treated him. Catelyn\*, and are you just inferring that based on what she said at their reunion? I’m not really sure there’s evidence that she treated him that badly, other than the way he was outcast in general (“The Stark family would sit up here at the feasts, and I’d sit way down there”). ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/288 "2016-06-28T05:09:29Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Technically Gendry is the rightful heir to the throne, but good luck trying to claim it. Although I’m sure it will come up over the next couple of seasons. You may be right that we’ll see Gendry again, but Gendry is a bastard and bastards aren’t legally the rightful heirs to anything. Of course, as we’ve seen in recent episodes, being a bastard isn’t such a big deal if you have an army. But Gendry doesn’t have anything other than good looks at this point. Even if he was widely known to be Robert’s bastard, that wouldn’t amount to anything in itself. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/289 "2016-06-28T05:10:25Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Catelyn\*, and are you just inferring that based on what she said at their reunion? I’m not really sure there’s evidence that she treated him that badly, other than the way he was outcast in general (“The Stark family would sit up here at the feasts, and I’d sit way down there”). :rolleyes: Yeah, I’m basing my information off the show… that we’re discussing. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/290 "2016-06-28T05:21:13Z")
Wow, just watched the episode and too much stuff to say right now, as it’s late, but man I feel for Tominimum. Sorry bastard. Just when things seemed like they were going his way, or at least the way of the High Sparrow who was brain noggin him, was wantin’, and then she lit the wild pyre. Brutal AF mate! Jimminy McKrikies! But poor Tormalean had no recourse against the savagary of his own mums satanism. He had the "fuck you"s to give out but not the "you’re cool"s.\* So little homey had to Audi S8, late out and walk his ass to Splatter Town. Ain’t that a scrolly yo. \*[Half Baked - Fuck You! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTOKJTRHMdw) ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/291 "2016-06-28T05:21:15Z")
Dany, by the way, conquered the cities of Slaver’s Bay, which I’m thinking were probably pretty wealthy. I feel that it’s entirely possible that she could, you know, _buy_ supplies. So “logistics” may not be such a problem (or plot-hole) after all. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/292 "2016-06-28T06:08:35Z")
…and, furthermore, I can’t imagine Varys &/or Tyrion neglecting to mention that unconditional surrenders are traditionally accompanied by chests of treasure, and I feel sure that Dany would be happy to see the profits of slavery funding her war of [del]conquest[/del] liberation. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/293 "2016-06-28T06:15:26Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > :rolleyes: > Yeah, I’m basing my information off the show… that we’re discussing. But nothing from the show indicates she treated him horribly, or “much worse than Catelyn”, or wasn’t raised as his sibling just because she made some offhand comment apologizing (while laughing) when she finally saw him again. Don’t know what you’re getting all sarcastic about when your point is unsubstantiated. ---
**Author:** ![lucid-nonsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2acd7d/32.png) [@lucid-nonsense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucid-nonsense)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/294 "2016-06-28T06:23:28Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > That only works if she can find enough people to kill and rob before it gets dangerously cold. Anyway, Varys and Tyrion are with her, they know Westoros, and they’re probably aware that winter has arrived. I’m sure they have a plan. The Dothraki seem to be based on the medieval Mongol tribes, and it gets _very_ cold in Mongolia (some places have a -30 C average in January). So they might be better used to it than we think. Is there any in-show indication of how cold it gets in the Dothraki Sea? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/295 "2016-06-28T06:31:35Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I was disappointed that he sent her away. When somebody _brings you back from the dead_ and pledges their undying loyalty to you, that’s normally someone you want to keep around. That’s funny, because I was disappointed that he didn’t sentence and execute her himself. I very much expected him to do just that. > [@](#): > > Plus she’s hot. May I refer you to episode 1 this season? Yuck! ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/296 "2016-06-28T06:34:06Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > May I refer you to episode 1 this season? Yuck! Oh, but that was the best part! ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/297 "2016-06-28T06:45:41Z")
Deserts often get cold overnight, so being “desert people” doesn’t mean the Dothraki have no idea what cold weather is like. Rugging up is unlikely to be a completely unfamiliar concept to them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/298 "2016-06-28T06:55:54Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > When I say “sewing mischief for King’s Landing” I mean that Varys is still on Daenerys’ side. …and here I thought it was a reference to all the [gorgeous embroidery](http://www.michelecarragherembroidery.com/Cersei-Season-3-and-4-Gallery(2880138).htm) Cersei wears 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/299 "2016-06-28T07:19:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This is what would worry me. An invasion fleet equipped for warm weather wouldn’t last long in winter[…]In this case, Daeneris’ army has no logistical tail to keep it supplied. So it will have to live off the land - primarily by ransacking the countryside and taking the provisions of the people. That makes it hard to win over hearts and minds, and opens up the possibility of the enemy using a scorched-earth policy to starve you out. Surely the logical thing is for them to _first_ ship for Dorne or The Reach, and make their way North from there, through fertile, warm lands that can keep them supplied by their own allie, building up a defended logistical supply tail as they go. I mean, what do people think they’re going to do? A D-Day-style attack on King’s Landing?That always ends well… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/300 "2016-06-28T07:22:51Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > (Not to mention the common people would have revolted and strung her up for the destruction of the Sept and the death of Margery, but perhaps they don’t know she’s responsible?) Was I the only one who caught the looks on the faces of the crowd at her coronation? They _definitely_ know who is responsible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=16)