# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/21 "2016-06-27T02:31:03Z")
Melisandre is just going to take her necklace off and sneak back to Winterfell, right? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/22 "2016-06-27T02:32:05Z")
The Vale, Baelish, and the North are with Jon Snow. The Tyrells, Dorne, Yara, Tyrion, Varys, much of the Iron fleet, the Dothraki Horde, the Unsullied and the dragons are with Daenerys. Cersei Lannister is queen but has no money and only the useless Freys as allies. Doesn’t look good for team Lannister. And it seems like the final showdown for the Iron Throne is going to be Littlefinger against the Mother of Dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/23 "2016-06-27T02:33:06Z")
where did they show who Jon’s father is? (now we know it’s not Ned) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/24 "2016-06-27T02:34:07Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Very significant glance between them. Going to be a loooong 9 months of speculation. > > Which part would cause a split? Her taking the throne? If the Lannister line is not the royal line, Jaime would be king. I don’t think Jaime cares about that though. I think it’s more likely to be the fact that she is a _mass murderer_. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/25 "2016-06-27T02:34:30Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > where did they show who Jon’s father is? (now we know it’s not Ned) They didn’t show, but Lyanna whispered that Robert would kill the kid if he knew and we know Rhaegar “abducted” her. It’s Rhaegar. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/26 "2016-06-27T02:36:25Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I think it’s more likely to be the fact that she is a _mass murderer_. I don’t see why Jaime would care about that at all. It was against enemies and a fanatical religious order. Plus Jaime is a murderer too. If he’s pissed about that I think it’s out of character. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/27 "2016-06-27T02:38:58Z")
Did the show mention Lyanna being abducted? Maybe in season 1 or 2? Or just the books? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/28 "2016-06-27T02:41:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I don’t see why Jaime would care about that at all. It was against enemies and a fanatical religious order. Plus Jaime is a murderer too. If he’s pissed about that I think it’s out of character. I don’t agree. Cersei didn’t just kill her enemies. She killed everyone in the Sept, many of whom were just random onlookers. She also killed - it seems pretty clear - some as yet unspecified number of innocents surrounding the Sept. Oh, and she drove their last child to suicide. Jaime likes to think he’s as hard and cold as his sister, but I think his arc over the last few seasons has shown that he has something resembling a conscience. Remember, he killed the Mad King explicitly because the Mad King threatened to do what Cersei has _just done._ Jaime is hard and pragmatic, but he is not evil… and what Cersei did in this episode was evil. I think their split is inevitable. And I love it dramatically! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/29 "2016-06-27T02:42:44Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > maybe Varys flew back on a dragon. Arya made a pretty quick trip, too. They should have flagged her scenes with a “X months ago” banner throughout the season. Overall, I’m very satisfied with the finale. Loved Cersei’s smirk as she savored her wine watching the wildfire burn… ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/30 "2016-06-27T02:43:36Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I really concerned about what Sansa’s thinking. 9 months to find out? Ugh. For a second I was wondering why you thought Sansa had just gotten pregnant. The wait begins. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/31 "2016-06-27T02:45:02Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Did the show mention Lyanna being abducted? Maybe in season 1 or 2? Or just the books? Probably in every season. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/32 "2016-06-27T02:45:27Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Did the show mention Lyanna being abducted? Maybe in season 1 or 2? Or just the books? It’s been mentioned several times going back to season 1. Most recently it was mentioned in a conversation between Sansa and Littlefinger in season 5. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/33 "2016-06-27T02:46:44Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > How did Vary get back so fast? If Little Finger can teleport, it’s only fair that Varys can too. I am just disappointed that we have never seen him have a conversation with Dany. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/34 "2016-06-27T03:10:39Z")
I guess we know about the unauthorized face usage now. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/35 "2016-06-27T03:11:21Z")
So now nobody in Westeros knows it, but Jon Snow has a claim to the Iron Throne, and arguably his claim is about as strong as Dany’s? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/36 "2016-06-27T03:12:21Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So now nobody in Westeros knows it, but Jon Snow has a claim to the Iron Throne, and arguably his claim about as strong as Dany’s? Only if Rhaegar and Lyanna were legitimately married during the “abduction.” ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/37 "2016-06-27T03:20:43Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So now nobody in Westeros knows it, but Jon Snow has a claim to the Iron Throne, and arguably his claim is about as strong as Dany’s? > [@Acsenray](#): > > Only if Rhaegar and Lyanna were legitimately married during the “abduction.” We’ve discussed this in other threads, but if Rhaegar and Lyanna were legimately married, then Jon Snow has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys. Also, Bran presumably knows this now. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/38 "2016-06-27T03:22:28Z")
> [@robby](#): > > We’ve discussed this in other threads, but if Rhaegar and Lyanna were legimately married, then Jon Snow has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys. Wasn’t Rhaegar already married to a Martell? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/39 "2016-06-27T03:27:09Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > Wasn’t Rhaegar already married to a Martell? The first Targaryen king had two wives—he married both sisters/fellow dragon riders—so maybe they can have more than one legitimate marriage. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/40 "2016-06-27T03:28:32Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I guess we know about the unauthorized face usage now. Yup. That surprised me, though I predicted it as soon as Walder Frey remarked that the servant wasn’t one of their usual girls. Bronn noticed that Arya was checking out Jaime as well. Does she have official beef with Jaime (perhaps for crippling Bran?) or does she just see him as a way to get to Cersei? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=3)