# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/401 "2016-06-29T05:27:19Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Splitting a “final season” is pretty sleazy, in my opinion. We the audience end up getting what for all intents and purposes appears to be two shortened seasons, but it only counts as a single season in terms of contracts. Thus, no raises or renegotiations for the actors because it’s all “one season,” and their contracts are structured by seasons. Scummy all around, if you ask me. We’ll be getting something more like a typical full television season, instead of the shortened ones we’ve been having. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/402 "2016-06-29T06:16:36Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > We’ll be getting something more like a typical full television season, instead of the shortened ones we’ve been having. But… over 2 years? And the clock starts now, not when the next season starts. So if the series finale is 2 years from now instead of 1, I’d call that 2 short seasons instead of 1 “split season”, however they choose to label it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/403 "2016-06-29T07:48:18Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > She’s got a walking monster and she just caused the High Sept with all her enemies in it to explode. Very few people know how she actually did that, so I’d say she can just claim she can do the same thing anywhere in the city if people cause trouble. They’re likely to believe it. Are the wildfire caches common knowledge? IIRC Brienne seems genuinely shocked when Jaime tells her about it, likewise Dany hasn’t heard of it when Tyrion jogs our memory of it so. > [@Rigamarole](#): > > She did _just_ blow up most of her enemies, become Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, and completely turn the tables on the person who had been torturing her for (days/weeks/months?). There’s no doubt that her downfall will be coming around soon enough, but jeez, let her have her moment. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s out of character for her to make a power grab but I think it’s a rather gaping flaw in her plan that she’s not set up a fall guy and people are going to look for someone to blame. Hopefully next season we see the consequences of a 0% approval rating rather than just wait for Dany to overthrow her. After all, we’ve seen the consequences of what happens when the peasantry gets pissed off, they rip High Septons apart, they storm the dragonpits, they…throw cow pies. > [@Colibri](#): > > Cersei was never a big-picture kind of gal. Ha, wonder what Tywin would make of all this. I miss Charles Dance. Gonna miss Natalie Dormer too, not only is the woman sex on legs but she’s a great actress too, was rather hoping that she would get out and have a kind of rival Queendom going on with Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/404 "2016-06-29T08:20:50Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > But Euron wants the Iron Throne. Now that Yara and Theon have teamed up with who he thought was going to be _his_ ally, he might still have it in for them, but I don’t see him backing the Lannisters. Even if Euron and the Lannisters fought against Dany and won, he’s still going to need the Lannisters gone to get the throne. Euron intended to marry danaerys to rule over Westeros. This option is out. So, the other option is to marry Cersei to rule over Westeros. Anyway, Dany made an alliance with Yara with the stated intent to overthrow him. So, it’s not like he can afford to let Danaerys win. His only option is to fight along with Cersei. > [@](#): > > The Tullys and bannermen just got ran out of their home by Lannisters and Lannister allies, can’t see them backing the Lannisters, either. Why not? They’re now vassals of the Freys. The lords of the North supported the Boltons/Lannisters, why wouldn’t the lords of the Riverlands support the Frey/Lannister? > [@](#): > > I doubt Edmure will be looking to fight for the Lannisters if he gets out of the dungeon. Nobody cares about what Edmure intends to do. Although there might be a redemption arc for him. > [@](#): > > I don’t know that even Jaime would fight for the Lannisters now I’m convinced he will end up killing his sister, but meanwhile, I could see him still serving her out of love despite what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/405 "2016-06-29T08:45:01Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Euron intended to marry danaerys to rule over Westeros. This option is out. Why would that option be out? Just because Theon and Yara got to her first to tell her about Euron’s plan doesn’t mean she can’t still decide to ally with and/or marry him. She said herself that she’s open to the possibility of a strategic marriage, and if Theon and/or Yara made it difficult she could easily eliminate them (and even still keep their ships). She doesn’t owe them anything. Note that I’m not saying this is what she’ll do (probably not), but there’s no reason that she couldn’t. It would probably only happen if for some reason things aren’t going her way (disaster and other unexpected losses) and she decides she really needs his magically-assembled fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/406 "2016-06-29T09:26:52Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > I miss Charles Dance. Me too. [I watch this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbwroS0YP54) whenever I’m feeling that way. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/407 "2016-06-29T11:39:03Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Why not? They’re now vassals of the Freys. The lords of the North supported the Boltons/Lannisters, why wouldn’t the lords of the Riverlands support the Frey/Lannister? Are there any Freys left? Why wouldn’t the Tullys now go take Riverrun back, and the Frey’s place (Twin Towers?) back as well? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/408 "2016-06-29T11:52:37Z")
There are lots of Freys left. Walder had dozens of children ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/409 "2016-06-29T11:54:50Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Are there any Freys left? Why wouldn’t the Tullys now go take Riverrun back, and the Frey’s place (Twin Towers?) back as well? There are lots of Freys left, question is how many there will be once they’re done stabbing each other in the back over who gets to be the next _Lord_ Frey 😃 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/410 "2016-06-29T11:59:17Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Why would that option be out? Just because Theon and Yara got to her first to tell her about Euron’s plan doesn’t mean she can’t still decide to ally with and/or marry him. She said herself that she’s open to the possibility of a strategic marriage, and if Theon and/or Yara made it difficult she could easily eliminate them (and even still keep their ships). She doesn’t owe them anything. > > Note that I’m not saying this is what she’ll do (probably not), but there’s no reason that she couldn’t. It would probably only happen if for some reason things aren’t going her way (disaster and other unexpected losses) and she decides she really needs his magically-assembled fleet. Nothing about the way Dany’s character as it has been presented over 6 seasons suggests that she would go back on the agreement she made with Yara (with meaningful arm clasp, no less!) in order to subjugate herself to a man like Euron. At best she might have Grey Worm stab Euron in the face and _take_ his thousand ships. But to work with him? To marry him? To betray Yara? To let Euron think even for a second that he was in charge? No way. Everything we know about Dany makes such a thing functionally impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/411 "2016-06-29T12:55:21Z")
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**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/412 "2016-06-29T13:35:54Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Nothing about the way Dany’s character as it has been presented over 6 seasons suggests that she would go back on the agreement she made with Yara (with meaningful arm clasp, no less!) in order to subjugate herself to a man like Euron. At best she might have Grey Worm stab Euron in the face and _take_ his thousand ships. But to work with him? To marry him? To betray Yara? To let Euron think even for a second that he was in charge? No way. Everything we know about Dany makes such a thing functionally impossible. Yara told Dany that Euron’s first order of business after the victory would be to kill her and seize power for himself, and Dany’s speech about men that left the world in the shape it’s in now, can’t see her even considering Euron a prospect. I still think that he’s right up the coast a bit, ready to attack Dany’s armada in the opening sequence of S7 or something. No way she lands with 100% of her forces intact. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/413 "2016-06-29T14:27:16Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Euron’s fleet of one thousand ships, at least. A naval fight before landing might reduce significantly the numbers on Dany’s side. It’s not strictly a _naval_ fight when only one side has air support. Also, it won’t strictly _be_ a _fight_ when the side without air power is so … flammable. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/414 "2016-06-29T14:29:00Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Remember how when the Night King touched Bran he was able to get through the magical protection of the cave? And where is Bran going now? What] magic protection? Was this spelled out and I missed it? I thought it just let him see _where_ Bran was? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/415 "2016-06-29T14:40:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > What] magic protection? Was this spelled out and I missed it? I thought it just let him see _where_ Bran was? The wights/White Walkers couldn’t enter the cave under the tree where the OG Three Eyed Raven lived until Bran let the White Walker touch his arm. The touch broke the protection spell - maybe the same spell that keep them from passing The Wall. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/416 "2016-06-29T14:40:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > What magic protection? Was this spelled out and I missed it? I thought it just let him see _where_ Bran was? No, they definitely mentioned that the three eyed raven’s tree was protected from wights and white walkers and that Bran fucked it up when he got touched. That’s why they had to leave immediately, and why Hodor died. Let’s hope the same magic isn’t what’s keeping the walkers beyond the wall, or else Bran’s trip south will usher in Armageddon. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/417 "2016-06-29T15:44:46Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Euron intended to marry danaerys to rule over Westeros. This option is out. So, the other option is to marry Cersei to rule over Westeros. Cersei has adamantly rejected marrying for political reasons again (to Loras). Cersei has shown zero ability to understand the need for political alliances, and destroyed most of the Tyrells even though she desperately needed their support. It is unimaginable that she would agree to marry someone like Euron no matter how much she might need his ships. Euron may (probably will) attack Dany’s fleet, but it will be for his own reasons, not to help the Lannisters. > [@](#): > > Why not? They’re now vassals of the Freys. The lords of the North supported the Boltons/Lannisters, why wouldn’t the lords of the Riverlands support the Frey/Lannister? The lords of the Riverlands mostly refused to support the Freys, which is why they had to ask the Lannisters for help. With the Freys decapitated and the Lannister army gone south, there’s zero chance they will support the Freys now. Neither the Freys nor the Lannisters are still a credible threat, especially if Lannister forces get bottled up in Kings Landing. > [@](#): > > Nobody cares about what Edmure intends to do. Although there might be a redemption arc for him. The Riverrun garrison obeyed him unquestioningly even though it was an extremely stupid thing to do and he wasn’t well-respected even before his capture. Now he may have even less respect but he is still the sworn lord of most of the Riverlands. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/418 "2016-06-29T15:48:26Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Let’s hope the same magic isn’t what’s keeping the walkers beyond the wall, or else Bran’s trip south will usher in Armageddon. I think that’s a strong possibility. However, we have seen the Three-eyed Raven (as a raven) at Winterfell, although it’s not clear if that was just Bran’s vision or the raven was physically present. (Though the Three-eyed Raven didn’t have the problem of having been touched by the Night’s King.) Both Bran and the original Three-eyed Raven visited areas south of the Wall in the past, but perhaps only spiritually. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/419 "2016-06-29T16:15:15Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > … I think it’s a rather gaping flaw in her plan that she’s not set up a fall guy and people are going to look for someone to blame. Hopefully next season we see the consequences of a 0% approval rating rather than just wait for Dany to overthrow her. The flaw in her plan was not having a Clapton lock on Tommen’s window. Her plan wasn’t to be Queen; if was to be the Queen Mother to a compliant Tommen, who would be free of the influence of the High Sparrow. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/420 "2016-06-29T16:22:34Z")
I read through this whole thread, but may have missed if anyone pointed out the Red Wedding parallels (pointed out in a recap I read from Gizmodo). The 3 biggest characters to die at the Red Wedding were Greywind (killed by crossbow), Robb (killed by a knife through the abdomen), and Catelyn (killed by knife slitting the throat) and . The 3 people who orchestrated it are now all dead and were Tywin Lannister (killed by crossbow), Roose Bolton (killed by a knife through the abdomen), and Walder Frey (killed by knife slitting the throat). Tower of Joy - Is there any significance to the Tower of Joy, besides that it just happened to be where Lyanna was held during the war? It just appears to be a tower in the country. Also, was Lyanna killed or did she just die from the childbirth? She was bleeding a lot when Ned entered but I couldn’t quite figure out why. If she was killed, who would have killed her and why? Related thought: Could Little Finger and/or Varys already be aware of Jon’s actual parentage? If so, I’m sure Little Finger would certainly be able to use that to his advantage. Littlefinger - As I correctly predicted in the last episode’s thread, he was left with no choice but to basically admit that he wants to end up on the Iron Throne. He and Sansa quickly figured out that he hit his ceiling. I hope that Sansa has figured out that he has no love for her and that she’s just his latest tool to move up the ladder. Lysa was clearly the same type of tool, and I suspect that Catelyn was as well. Knowing Little Finger, she was simply the first tool available to him, but one that was lost when she was married off to Ned. Sansa really should be telling Jon that Little Finger will stop at nothing to continue moving up the chaos ladder. Bran - Why does he want to get back south of the Wall? Isn’t he the TER already? If he’s simply going to be imbedded in a tree or something, what’s the purpose of crossing back over? And you have to give it to Meera Reed for being so darn dedicated. She must have been bored and cold for ages while Bran went through his metamorphosis. Speaking of the Reeds, did they support Jon with any soldiers for the battle for Winterfell? I don’t recall a meeting or anything. Iron Bank of Braavos - At this point, I suspect they’ve written off the loans to the Westeros leaders. There’s really no one left to pay them back. So many questions! And so much time to have to wait! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=22)