# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/421 "2016-06-29T16:38:42Z")
126% of women died in birth in the medieval period. No need for alternate explanation on that one. I was also a little surprised Littlefinger directly envisions himself on the iron throne. I thought perhaps he was planning on inserting a puppet there to deflect attention but really run things. And yeah, it would be nice if Bran had an explanation for why he wanted to get back south of the wall. Since I suspect the white walkers are going to be able to follow him over it, if he just travels there for no reason it’ll be a stupid plot device driving the biggest development of the next season. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/422 "2016-06-29T16:40:35Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Iron Bank of Braavos - At this point, I suspect they’ve written off the loans to the Westeros leaders. There’s really no one left to pay them back. The Iron Bank of Braavos does not write off loans, like the banks we use. Whether or not it will be a plot point, someone is going to be on the hook for those loans. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/423 "2016-06-29T16:46:33Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I read through this whole thread, but may have missed if anyone pointed out the Red Wedding parallels (pointed out in a recap I read from Gizmodo). The 3 biggest characters to die at the Red Wedding were Greywind (killed by crossbow), Robb (killed by a knife through the abdomen), and Catelyn (killed by knife slitting the throat) and . The 3 people who orchestrated it are now all dead and were Tywin Lannister (killed by crossbow), Roose Bolton (killed by a knife through the abdomen), and Walder Frey (killed by knife slitting the throat). Robb and Catelyn were both hit by crossbow bolts before being killed, so I think the reference is to that rather than Greywind’s death. And I would argue that Talisa (killed by knife to the stomach) was probably a bigger character than Greywind. 😉 But yes, the parallels are very clear. Also, Tywin and Roose killed Ned’s son but ended up killed by their own sons. > [@](#): > > Also, was Lyanna killed or did she just die from the childbirth? She was bleeding a lot when Ned entered but I couldn’t quite figure out why. If she was killed, who would have killed her and why? It seemed there was blood on her side not just on the bed, but I would imagine if someone tried to kill her they would also have killed the baby. > [@](#): > > Bran - Why does he want to get back south of the Wall? Isn’t he the TER already? If he’s simply going to be imbedded in a tree or something, what’s the purpose of crossing back over? He needs to communicate what he’s learned. And if he’s to be embedded in a tree, why not the one at Winterfell where his family can come visit him?😉 > [@](#): > > Iron Bank of Braavos - At this point, I suspect they’ve written off the loans to the Westeros leaders. There’s really no one left to pay them back. I was thinking they would figure in this by providing Dany with the ships she needed. But she doesn’t need them any more. But maybe they’ll figure in this in some way. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/424 "2016-06-29T17:17:51Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I read through this whole thread, but may have missed if anyone pointed out the Red Wedding parallels (pointed out in a recap I read from Gizmodo). The 3 biggest characters to die at the Red Wedding were Greywind (killed by crossbow), Robb (killed by a knife through the abdomen), and Catelyn (killed by knife slitting the throat) and . The 3 people who orchestrated it are now all dead and were Tywin Lannister (killed by crossbow), Roose Bolton (killed by a knife through the abdomen), and Walder Frey (killed by knife slitting the throat). > > Tower of Joy - Is there any significance to the Tower of Joy, besides that it just happened to be where Lyanna was held during the war? It just appears to be a tower in the country. Also, was Lyanna killed or did she just die from the childbirth? She was bleeding a lot when Ned entered but I couldn’t quite figure out why. If she was killed, who would have killed her and why? > > Related thought: Could Little Finger and/or Varys already be aware of Jon’s actual parentage? If so, I’m sure Little Finger would certainly be able to use that to his advantage. > > Littlefinger - As I correctly predicted in the last episode’s thread, he was left with no choice but to basically admit that he wants to end up on the Iron Throne. He and Sansa quickly figured out that he hit his ceiling. I hope that Sansa has figured out that he has no love for her and that she’s just his latest tool to move up the ladder. Lysa was clearly the same type of tool, and I suspect that Catelyn was as well. Knowing Little Finger, she was simply the first tool available to him, but one that was lost when she was married off to Ned. Sansa really should be telling Jon that Little Finger will stop at nothing to continue moving up the chaos ladder. > > Bran - Why does he want to get back south of the Wall? Isn’t he the TER already? If he’s simply going to be imbedded in a tree or something, what’s the purpose of crossing back over? And you have to give it to Meera Reed for being so darn dedicated. She must have been bored and cold for ages while Bran went through his metamorphosis. Speaking of the Reeds, did they support Jon with any soldiers for the battle for Winterfell? I don’t recall a meeting or anything. > > Iron Bank of Braavos - At this point, I suspect they’ve written off the loans to the Westeros leaders. There’s really no one left to pay them back. > > So many questions! And so much time to have to wait! Only Howland Reed and Ned knew about Jon’s parentage so it is unlikely either Littlefinger or Varys knows. Littlefinger’s love for Catelyn was genuine. He fought a duel for her with Ned’s older brother. I suspect his love for Sansa is genuine as well but he has earned her distrust. Bran has to get away from the white walkers who want to kill him. He also wants to be involved in the fight against them and needs to be south of the wall to do both. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/425 "2016-06-29T17:20:24Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I was also a little surprised Littlefinger directly envisions himself on the iron throne. I thought perhaps he was planning on inserting a puppet there to deflect attention but really run things. I’ve been thinking for a while now that it would be the ultimate irony for him to end up on the iron throne, as a puppet himself. Although who could pull those strings (and live for some appreciable amount of time), I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/426 "2016-06-29T17:44:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > 126% of women died in birth in the medieval period. No need for alternate explanation on that one. What an unfortunate time to be alive. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/427 "2016-06-29T18:05:32Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > What an unfortunate time to be alive. Especially for heterosexual men! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/428 "2016-06-29T18:25:19Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > So apparently when they dropped the R + L = J bomb, Lyanna says “His name is…” mumble mumble. So that’s why the whispers the audience couldn’t hear. We’re all now supposed to speculate on Jon Snow’s real name. HBO more or less just confirmed that Rhaegar is absolutely Jon’s father with [this infographic](http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/got-connections-ned-promise-tower-of-joy-infographic). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/429 "2016-06-29T19:07:50Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Tower of Joy - Is there any significance to the Tower of Joy, besides that it just happened to be where Lyanna was held during the war? It just appears to be a tower in the country. Also, was Lyanna killed or did she just die from the childbirth? She was bleeding a lot when Ned entered but I couldn’t quite figure out why. If she was killed, who would have killed her and why? I think the idea is that it’s a remote location that’ll be far away from any likely battlefields. Almost certainly died during childbirth, she was guarded by the best men in the Kingsguard and there’s no evidence that anyone went through them before Ned, Howland and the others. Listening back on the scene with the [volume cranked way up](https://soundcloud.com/user-583325554/got-forensic) I definitely hear an Ae- sound, sounds like he might be named after his paternal grandfather Aerys to me but the Reddit speculation picked up by all the blogs is that it’s Jaehaerys. I can only hear two syllables though, YMMV. Sounds like it ends with an ‘s’ sound but that might be [Bran sucking in air](https://youtu.be/Y3IwIB7yfO8?t=233) in reaction to it. Local Bran ruins everything again. What is pretty clear is that she says _“If Robert finds out he’ll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned. Promise me.”_ Which makes it fairly obvious that Rhaegar is the baby daddy, why else would Bobby B want to kill him? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/430 "2016-06-29T19:28:54Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Thoughts on Queen Cersei I Lannister - does she have \*any \*popular support, at all? In her gunpowder plot we saw plenty of gunpowder but not much plot. Is she blaming the Sept bombing on the sparrows, the Tyrells, communists or what? Olenna points the finger straight at Cersei and as the only one to benefit from it you don’t have to be the Queen of Thorns to make the same deduction. She has the added problem that the High Sparrow and Queen Maj were genuinely popular and has just made martyrs of them. She seems awful smug for a woman who only has on her side Dr. Mengele, Frankenstein’s monster and a stab-happy version of the Baker Street Irregulars. But will the little birds remain with Qyburn once Varys is back in town? She may be down even more allies when the fleet reaches Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/431 "2016-06-29T20:28:27Z")
I was wondering if the point was that Lyanna announced his name is Jon _Targaryan._ As, she and Rhaegar had gone through a marriage ceremony so she was claiming Jon was entitled to his father’s name. Hey, there are historical examples of Targaryans with multiple wives, so why not? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/432 "2016-06-29T20:52:13Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > She’s got a walking monster and she just caused the High Sept with all her enemies in it to explode. Very few people know how she actually did that, so I’d say she can just claim she can do the same thing anywhere in the city if people cause trouble. They’re likely to believe it. She has a rather strong argument for ‘fear will keep them in line’ Everyone now knows ‘Lannister’s always pay their debts’ and Cersei doesn’t fuck around. She was a complete underdog with little to no public support and she just managed to destroy her enemies in glorious fashion. Anyone wanting to go after her has to wonder what other tricks she has up her sleeves. ‘If your going to come at the Queen, you best not miss’ Since the Iron Bank has been mentioned, we have no idea how powerful they actually are. Since the Lannisters still have gold mines and a history of paying there debts, if it is within their power to flip the scales, backing Cersei is probably a good plan. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/433 "2016-06-29T20:59:33Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Since the Lannisters still have gold mines and a history of paying there debts, if it is within their power to flip the scales, backing Cersei is probably a good plan. Tywin told Cersei that the gold mines stopped producing years ago and they were in heavy debt to the Iron Bank. The Mace Tyrell went there to try to smooth things over on the Lannister’s behalf and wasn’t able to make the minimum payment IIRC. They’re broke. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/434 "2016-06-29T21:01:07Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Bran - Why does he want to get back south of the Wall? Isn’t he the TER already? If he’s simply going to be imbedded in a tree or something, what’s the purpose of crossing back over? > [@SenorBeef](#): > > And yeah, it would be nice if Bran had an explanation for why he wanted to get back south of the wall. Since I suspect the white walkers are going to be able to follow him over it, if he just travels there for no reason it’ll be a stupid plot device driving the biggest development of the next season. > [@puddleglum](#): > > Bran has to get away from the white walkers who want to kill him. He also wants to be involved in the fight against them and needs to be south of the wall to do both. What **puddleglum** said, but there’s also the fact that there’s nothing for him to survive on north of the wall. It’s a barren, unpopulated, frozen tundra and winter is here. How do you suppose a cripple and a girl are going to survive in that environment long-term? In order for him to live he has to get back to civilization. There’s no other choice. > [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Listening back on the scene with the [volume cranked way up](https://soundcloud.com/user-583325554/got-forensic) I definitely hear an Ae- sound, sounds like he might be named after his paternal grandfather Aerys to me but the Reddit speculation picked up by all the blogs is that it’s Jaehaerys. I can only hear two syllables though, YMMV. Sounds like it ends with an ‘s’ sound but that might be [Bran sucking in air](https://youtu.be/Y3IwIB7yfO8?t=233) in reaction to it. Local Bran ruins everything again. I saw some of this speculation, and it makes no sense whatsoever. She literally just warned Ned about Robert wanting to kill him, so of course she wouldn’t give him a blatantly Targaryen-sounding name. After she says “His name is…” the only logical next thing for her to say is “Jon”, because his name is Jon. That’s his name. Why would she tell Ned his name and then Ned decides to randomly change it to Jon? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/435 "2016-06-29T21:16:28Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I saw some of this speculation, and it makes no sense whatsoever. She literally just warned Ned about Robert wanting to kill him, so of course she wouldn’t give him a blatantly Targaryen-sounding name. After she says “His name is…” the only logical next thing for her to say is “Jon”, because his name is Jon. That’s his name. Why would she tell Ned his name and then Ned decides to randomly change it to Jon? She tells Ned in the next sentence, Robert would kill him if he ever found out. Found out what? As he narrates on the [Sack of King’s Landing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKu2oyqOt58) _“Babies or no, theirs was the same cursed blood that flowed within the Mad King’s veins. They were dragonspawn, and couldn’t be allowed to survive. What would they grow to be, loyal subjects?”_ So Ned taking home a baby Aemon or Aerys or whatever would rather give the game away that he’s a Targaryen, so he calls him Jon, a common enough name, perhaps after his friend Jon Arryn. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/436 "2016-06-29T21:16:58Z")
I actually think Arthur Dayne is Jon’s father. The reasoning is pretty simple. How could a woman hang around [this guy](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/0a/603_Arthur_Dayne_Side.png/revision/latest?cb=20160509062011) without becoming spontaneously pregnant? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/437 "2016-06-29T21:20:40Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Since the Iron Bank has been mentioned, we have no idea how powerful they actually are. Since the Lannisters still have gold mines and a history of paying there debts, if it is within their power to flip the scales, backing Cersei is probably a good plan. > [@](#): > > “One stone crumbles and another takes its place and the temple holds its form for a thousand years or more. And that’s what the Iron Bank is, a temple. We all live in its shadow and almost none of us know it. You can’t run from them, you can’t cheat them, you can’t sway them with excuses. If you owe them money and you don’t want to crumble yourself, you pay it back.” > ―Tywin Lannister Tywin, who was no pushover, was afraid of them. As mentioned, he told Cersei that the Lannister gold mines had ceased producing several years ago. As the saying about the Lannisters is “A Lannister pays his debts,” the saying about the Bank is “The Bank will have its due.” The Bank has a reputation for being relentless and implacable, which they have to be if they are financing deadbeat rulers. If even a king owes them money, they will finance someone to overthrow him. Like a loan shark, if someone reneges on a loan they will send in the goons. They have to to stay in business. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/438 "2016-06-29T21:20:44Z")
I kinda wonder how Ned broke the news to Robert. “I just got back from the tower, Lyanna is dead. On a completely unrelated note, it turns out I have a bastard son!” ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/439 "2016-06-29T21:34:06Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > She tells Ned in the next sentence, Robert would kill him if he ever found out. Found out what? As he narrates on the [Sack of King’s Landing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKu2oyqOt58) _“Babies or no, theirs was the same cursed blood that flowed within the Mad King’s veins. They were dragonspawn, and couldn’t be allowed to survive. What would they grow to be, loyal subjects?”_ > > So Ned taking home a baby Aemon or Aerys or whatever would rather give the game away that he’s a Targaryen, so he calls him Jon, a common enough name, perhaps after his friend Jon Arryn. Right… which is why it would be utterly stupid of her to give him a Targ name in the first place, which she knew could never be used. Might as well give him an actual name. And that name is Jon. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/440 "2016-06-29T21:47:23Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Right… which is why it would be utterly stupid of her to give him a Targ name in the first place, which she knew could never be used. Might as well give him an actual name. And that name is Jon. Unless she genuinely loved and quite possibly even married Rhaegar and wanted to honour (she is a Stark) his Targaryen heritage, but in secret. Not to get too meta about it but what the hell would be the point of the _“His name is…mumble mumble…”_ if we’re just gonna be told something we already know. Though it would be in line with that stupid “OMG how’s Arya gonna survive that?!” “Errr she just does lol” shit from ‘No One’. Yes, I am still angry about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=23)