# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/461 "2016-06-30T16:33:51Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Lipreader discovers Jon Snow’s real name: [Jaehaerys](http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a37467/jon-snows-real-name-lip-reading/) [But really, how much can you trust those lip readers?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FIfRCftYOs) ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/462 "2016-06-30T18:12:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Lipreader discovers Jon Snow’s real name: [Jaehaerys](http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a37467/jon-snows-real-name-lip-reading/) It was probably “Jon Harris”. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/463 "2016-06-30T22:27:39Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Right, and what she said doesn’t matter anyway. Although it would be completely pointless for her to give him a name which could never be used, and then have Ned give him a non-name that everyone calls him by. And even if he found out he had another name at this point, he would still go by Jon and we would all still call him Jon, and it would be absolutely no service to the story. What’s important is his **lineage** , not some name they wanted to give him but never did. And we agree on what his lineage is. This ignores the fact that there was no reason for Lyanna to choose the name “Jon” for the baby. Ned was fostered by Jon Arryn and so might have chosen that name, but Lyanna had no such relationship. And having Lyanna give the child a Targaryen name would not be at all pointless to the story; in fact it would be very important. It would indicate that she went with Rhaegar willingly; she would not want to honor the family of someone who had abducted and raped her. She may be communicating this to Ned, if he didn’t know it already. It’s not unreasonable for Lyanna to have picked a Targaryen name, even if she knows the child will have to raised under an alias. At least Ned will know it, even if no one else does. While it may not have been foreseen at the time, Jon could well end up going by the name Lyanna gave him. (Although since he was born in Dorne, his last name will be Sand instead of Snow.) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/464 "2016-07-01T00:02:11Z")
Apropos of nothing, [here is Septa Unella](http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/05/29/29-hannah-waddingham-chatroom-silo.w245.h368.png) of Shame! Shame! Shame! and Confess! fame, out of uniform. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/465 "2016-07-01T00:02:28Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > While it may not have been foreseen at the time, Jon could well end up going by the name Lyanna gave him. (Although since he was born in Dorne, his last name will be Sand instead of Snow.) Well, I wouldn’t think the bastard-name applies to kings, so he’ll probably change it to something else or drop it entirely. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/466 "2016-07-01T00:07:19Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Apropos of nothing, [here is Septa Unella](http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/05/29/29-hannah-waddingham-chatroom-silo.w245.h368.png) of Shame! Shame! Shame! and Confess! fame, out of uniform. That could move Mountains. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/467 "2016-07-01T00:27:20Z")
The location of their birth doesn’t determine the last name, or else he would already be Jon Sand. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/468 "2016-07-01T00:29:22Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > Well, I wouldn’t think the bastard-name applies to kings, so he’ll probably change it to something else or drop it entirely. That was mostly a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/469 "2016-07-01T00:36:31Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > The location of their birth doesn’t determine the last name, or else he would already be Jon Sand. But that is a deep dark secret. Per the “History and Lore” Blue-ray feature, bastards are in fact named after the region they were born (not after where their father was from). So Jon Snow should definitely have some other surname, since even according to Ned’s account he wasn’t born in the North but somewhere in the South during his campaigns. ---
**Author:** ![arles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@arles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arles)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/470 "2016-07-01T05:29:01Z")
[Entertainment Weekly](http://tinyurl.com/hmcyr4w) has an interview with Dir. Miguel Sapochnik on the opening of the episode. Interesting in that he was the one who had found the music, but it wasn’t “very Game of Thrones” and when he could not find anything better he submitted it to Dan & David and was surprised when they included it in the score. Also, he says that the script did not show the inside of the Sept during the explosion, but he “wanted to see the High Sparrow get it” and so story boarded it and got it included. Excellent job! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/471 "2016-07-01T06:27:19Z")
[Found this great map of the world](http://quartermaester.info/) and looking at it I began to wonder and plot. Leaving from Slaver’s Bay, you get to Dorne rather quickly. Do you disembark your horsemen there and let them make their way to King’s Landing and co-ordinate your ships arrival with your land troops? I see there are mountains separating Dorne from the rest of Westros but there is a pass. Does she drop her troops at Massey’s Hook? Sail down The Gullet and disembark on the coast above King’s Landing? Or will she sail straight to King’s Landing and try to Normandy that shit? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/472 "2016-07-01T06:56:16Z")
I bet she takes Dragonstone just for lulz and for history. Makes that her base and then makes her presence known. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/473 "2016-07-01T07:05:18Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I bet she takes Dragonstone just for lulz and for history. Makes that her base and then makes her presence known. That would be good.There’s no one there. She should be up on current events seeing as how she has Dorne and Martell ships. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/474 "2016-07-01T15:01:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [Found this great map of the world](http://quartermaester.info/) and looking at it I began to wonder and plot. Leaving from Slaver’s Bay, you get to Dorne rather quickly. Do you disembark your horsemen there and let them make their way to King’s Landing and co-ordinate your ships arrival with your land troops? I see there are mountains separating Dorne from the rest of Westros but there is a pass. > > Does she drop her troops at Massey’s Hook? Sail down The Gullet and disembark on the coast above King’s Landing? Or will she sail straight to King’s Landing and try to Normandy that shit? FYI, the interactive features of this map are book-based and contain characters and paths that they don’t take in the HBO show. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/475 "2016-07-01T15:02:21Z")
It has both actually. You can select between chapters and episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/476 "2016-07-01T15:11:26Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [Found this great map of the world](http://quartermaester.info/) and looking at it I began to wonder and plot. Leaving from Slaver’s Bay, you get to Dorne rather quickly. Do you disembark your horsemen there and let them make their way to King’s Landing and co-ordinate your ships arrival with your land troops? I see there are mountains separating Dorne from the rest of Westros but there is a pass. > > Does she drop her troops at Massey’s Hook? Sail down The Gullet and disembark on the coast above King’s Landing? Or will she sail straight to King’s Landing and try to Normandy that shit? I suggested earlier that the Tyrell army (not all of which should have gone to Slaver’s Bay) should march up from the Reach and besiege Kings Landing, and at the same time secure a landing area for the troops coming with Dany’s fleet. Then they wouldn’t have to take a beachhead themselves. Otherwise they should just land at Oldtown and march from there. Landing at Dorne wouldn’t make any strategic sense. It’s a shorter voyage from Slaver’s Bay, but a longer march (and through mountains and other hostile terrain) than landing at Oldtown. > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I bet she takes Dragonstone just for lulz and for history. Makes that her base and then makes her presence known. I think that’s a good possibility, since it’s the original Targaryen family seat. It’s probably only held by a skeleton garrison (if that) since the departure of Stannis. (It’s also unclear who the Stormlands are held by now, since with Tommen’s death the Baratheon line is officially extinct. Most available Stormlands troops, however, would have been killed off in Stannis’s campaigns.) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/477 "2016-07-01T15:27:21Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Otherwise they should just land at Oldtown and march from there. Landing at Dorne wouldn’t make any strategic sense. It’s a shorter voyage from Slaver’s Bay, but a longer march (and through mountains and other hostile terrain) than landing at Oldtown. It’ll also get Sam into the party and introduce the danger of the White Walkers to Dany’s notice (did Tyrion ever actually meet Sam when he accompanied Jon to Castle Black in Season 1?) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/478 "2016-07-01T15:29:28Z")
It’s also unclear what happened to the Tyrell troops that were stationed in King’s Landing. Did they march out of the city after Mace’s death? If so, did they go home or did they remain nearby? Or did Cersei have the Lannister troops ambush and kill them as part of her putsch? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/479 "2016-07-01T15:42:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > did Tyrion ever actually meet Sam when he accompanied Jon to Castle Black in Season 1?) I’m pretty sure Sam showed up after Tyrion left. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/480 "2016-07-01T16:22:45Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m pretty sure Sam showed up after Tyrion left. Right. Tyrion leaves the Wall in the third episode of the first season, and Sam shows up in the following episode. They have never met. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=25)