# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/481 "2016-07-01T18:03:26Z")
[Lame](http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/battle-bastardswinds-winter-director-not-returning-season-7/), the director of the last two episodes and Harhomme last season is not coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/482 "2016-07-01T18:06:46Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > [Lame](http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/battle-bastardswinds-winter-director-not-returning-season-7/), the director of the last two episodes and Harhomme last season is not coming back. Maybe back for season 8? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/483 "2016-07-01T18:08:52Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Maybe back for season 8? Hopefully, i would have put him in charge of the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/484 "2016-07-01T19:21:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s also unclear what happened to the Tyrell troops that were stationed in King’s Landing. Did they march out of the city after Mace’s death? If so, did they go home or did they remain nearby? Or did Cersei have the Lannister troops ambush and kill them as part of her putsch? My assumption was that they accompanied Olenna when she left. They would not have been welcome in the city after Margaery pulled her power play, because freeing her was the only reason they were allowed in. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/485 "2016-07-01T22:28:21Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s also unclear what happened to the Tyrell troops that were stationed in King’s Landing. Did they march out of the city after Mace’s death? WHAT??? :eek::eek::eek: So, I re-watched the episode again and had a few observations: 1. The musical score was outstanding. Really added to the tension and drama of the episode. A+ 2. Watching Melisandra ride off made me think: this is going to come back and back our hero in the future. 3. In the flashback, I listened to whats-her-name whispering to Ned Stark 3 times with my ear right up against the speaker, and I could not tell what the hell she was saying. How did you guys hear her, or were you going by having known this from the books? 4. The meat pie that Frey was eating was supposed to be made up of his sons, but when it was peeled back a bit, were we supposed to see all sorts of gruesome pieces of body parts? I saw what looked _maybe_ like an eye, but nothing else. 5. Does Arya have some “special powers” now? It’s hard to tell if she is somehow different from you or me with a mask on. Does she have access to some reserve of masks? Does she wear them differently than you or I would? Does putting on the mask change her in any way? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/486 "2016-07-01T22:45:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > 1. Watching Melisandra ride off made me think: this is going to come back and back our hero in the future. This being Jon Snow, it always does. > [@](#): > > 1. The meat pie that Frey was eating was supposed to be made up of his sons, but when it was peeled back a bit, were we supposed to see all sorts of gruesome pieces of body parts? I saw what looked _maybe_ like an eye, but nothing else. It’s at 1:07 [here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw72ejliSYU) It looks to me like a big toe with a greenish nail. (The Freys don’t practice very good foot hygiene.) Walder was supposed to be taking seconds, I think. I’m not sure how he missed fingers or toes if they were in the first piece. > [@](#): > > 1. Does Arya have some “special powers” now? It’s hard to tell if she is somehow different from you or me with a mask on. Does she have access to some reserve of masks? Does she wear them differently than you or I would? Does putting on the mask change her in any way? It’s not supposed to be a mask, but an actual human face like those in the Hall of Faces in the House of Black and White. From what we’ve seen, they essentially become your own new face while you wear it. Only Faceless Men can wear them. It’s not clear where Arya got it - whether she took some with her from Braavos, or whether she took it from someone in Westeros. Jaqen seemed to be able to change his face at will. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/487 "2016-07-02T06:39:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > In the flashback, I listened to whats-her-name whispering to Ned Stark 3 times with my ear right up against the speaker, and I could not tell what the hell she was saying. How did you guys hear her, or were you going by having known this from the books? I turned on Closed Captioning. No books needed. > [@](#): > > Does Arya have some “special powers” now? It’s hard to tell if she is somehow different from you or me with a mask on. Does she have access to some reserve of masks? Does she wear them differently than you or I would? Does putting on the mask change her in any way? Pretty sure what we’re expected to understand is that Arya can now wear faces like a faceless man without going blind because she graduated. Her graduation was when Jaquen said “Now you are truly No One,” which seemed like a really stupid thing to say at the time, but in retrospect it was just his quirky way of saying “Now you can wear faces without going blind.” Her special power is wearing faces, and she does indeed look markedly different when wearing a face than you or I would look if we wore masks. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/488 "2016-07-02T06:46:12Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Jaqen seemed to be able to change his face at will. The Jaquen who drank the poison and seemingly died seemed to be wearing a dozen masks at once. (Including, inexplicably, an Arya mask.) Maybe that’s their standard operating procedure, which would give the impression that they could change their face at will. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/489 "2016-07-02T13:51:22Z")
So, Arya has officially ruined GoT. Prediction: she will sit on the iron throne wearing the face of Mugabe. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/490 "2016-07-02T16:10:42Z")
My guess was that Dany, the Greyjoys, and the captured ships of the Masters sailed from Meereen and collected the Martel/Tyrell fleets and Varys as they headed north. This would answer how Varys was seen so quickly after appearing in Dorne, but it’d require a crucial bird mail hook up for Dany to know the plan was a go. But surely the Marte/Tyrell forces aren’t totally seaborne, they’ve got to have some ground forces headed north as well. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/491 "2016-07-02T16:18:17Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The Jaquen who drank the poison and seemingly died seemed to be wearing a dozen masks at once. (Including, inexplicably, an Arya mask.) Maybe that’s their standard operating procedure, which would give the impression that they could change their face at will. However, [the first time Jaqen changed his face](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQl07-jP7-I) he seems to have simply transformed it without removing a “mask.” He just turns away, and without touching his face, when he turns back it’s different. Every time we have seen the process subsequently it seems to involve removing a mask. Actually, the simplest explanation for Jaqen’s transformation the first time is a limited special effects budget. 😉 It probably doesn’t require a more complex explanation than that. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/492 "2016-07-02T16:28:20Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > My guess was that Dany, the Greyjoys, and the captured ships of the Masters sailed from Meereen and collected the Martel/Tyrell fleets and Varys as they headed north. This would answer how Varys was seen so quickly after appearing in Dorne, but it’d require a crucial bird mail hook up for Dany to know the plan was a go. But surely the Marte/Tyrell forces aren’t totally seaborne, they’ve got to have some ground forces headed north as well. As far as has ever been shown, raven-mail doesn’t work across the narrow sea. I think the explanation is the one that’s already been offered: several months elapse between Varys meeting in Dorne and his reappearance with Dany’s fleet. It would have taken at least that long to prepare Dany’s fleet and the Martell and Dorne ships. At one point, I think that Tyrion was asked if they now had enough ships in Meereen to transport their armies, and he said “almost.” I think the Martell and Dorne ships with Danys fleet are just troop carriers sent with Varys to help transport her army to Westeros. It wouldn’t make sense to send Tyrell and Martell troops all the way to Meereen if they were just going to come back. So most of the Tyrell/Martell armies and ships are still in Westeros, and going to meet Dany’s army later. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/493 "2016-07-02T16:52:13Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > My guess was that Dany, the Greyjoys, and the captured ships of the Masters sailed from Meereen and collected the Martel/Tyrell fleets and Varys as they headed north. The division of power is so one sided at the end of the season that there is not much story to tell apart from the build-up of the DANY vs the NIGHT KING Battle for Westeros, which means that it’s time for a set-back to rekindle some suspense, right? So, how is she going to lose a dragon or two? They are her power base and symbolic representation, so they need to split to put her in crisis. Jon and Bran are potential catalysts but wouldn’t it foreshorten the dramatic arc too much to involve them into that conflict early next season? Euron is a much better prospect for a delaying element before the action goes north; and book readers know that he might have the means … ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/494 "2016-07-02T17:00:41Z")
We still have ample opportunity for some kind of Littlefinger betrayal, especially now that Sansa has spurned him. He needs Jon Snow to die (again) to have any shot at Sansa ruling beside him. Which is crazy talk, I know, but he does seem to be blinded by his wishes. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/495 "2016-07-02T17:26:21Z")
True. But if Dany keeps her power, it doesn’t matter what Littlefinger wants or Jon or Sansa, they are just a side show. It’d be a show about a nuclear power versus Lichtenstein - and I just can’t see AGoT transform into a [satire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_That_Roared). Well, not deliberately. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/496 "2016-07-02T18:06:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > However, [the first time Jaqen changed his face](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQl07-jP7-I) he seems to have simply transformed it without removing a “mask.” He just turns away, and without touching his face, when he turns back it’s different. Every time we have seen the process subsequently it seems to involve removing a mask. I think he does pull off a face there. Notice how his head dips a bit and his right shoulder shifts. ---
**Author:** ![MsJinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@MsJinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsJinx)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/497 "2016-07-02T18:56:55Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > The division of power is so one sided at the end of the season that there is not much story to tell apart from the build-up of the DANY vs the NIGHT KING Battle for Westeros, which means that it’s time for a set-back to rekindle some suspense, right? > > So, how is she going to lose a dragon or two? Someone should sweep the chamber where the two dragons were held for so long. Perhaps there is an egg or two left behind. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/498 "2016-07-02T19:27:54Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > The division of power is so one sided at the end of the season that there is not much story to tell apart from the build-up of the DANY vs the NIGHT KING Battle for Westeros, which means that it’s time for a set-back to rekindle some suspense, right? > > So, how is she going to lose a dragon or two? > > They are her power base and symbolic representation, so they need to split to put her in crisis. > > Jon and Bran are potential catalysts but wouldn’t it foreshorten the dramatic arc too much to involve them into that conflict early next season? > > Euron is a much better prospect for a delaying element before the action goes north; and book readers know that he might have the means … This is for show discussion only…not book talk. Please don’t talk about anything that happens in the books. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/499 "2016-07-02T20:54:35Z")
> [@MsJinx](#): > > Someone should sweep the chamber where the two dragons were held for so long. Perhaps there is an egg or two left behind. I think all three dragons are male (at least, they are all named after men), so that seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/500 "2016-07-02T21:54:16Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I think all three dragons are male (at least, they are all named after men), so that seems unlikely. I don’t think their sexes have ever been revealed on the show, but if that’s true it would appear to doom Targaryen prospects at reviving the species. At least if they were all female parthenogenesis would be a possibility. Then again this is a fictional species that only looks like flying reptiles so it’s possible one of them could spontaneously change sex and breed with the others. Life finds a way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=26)