# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/41 "2016-06-27T03:29:40Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Didn’t see Arya coming until she reached down to remove her mask. I did, as soon as Frey noticed she wasn’t one of his. Loved the _Titus Andronicus_ bit, but Frey should have eaten and commented how good the pie was. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/42 "2016-06-27T03:30:30Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > The King in the North! > > Meanwhile, plot lines are getting simplified, in a fairly satisfying way. > > Gotta love Lady Mormont. You wanna get lemonaded? Let’s be real, a lot of what happened was expected, but it was damn satisfying. Poor Thomen was worm food as soon as he got that crown on his coconut, but the unceremonious manner of his death was a surprise. I will mourn for Margaery, one of my favorites, and Lord Frey was too chatty today, so I suspected he had it comming. So, it’s queens all around, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/43 "2016-06-27T03:33:59Z")
Jon’s going to have to start getting a lot more cunning not that he’s a king (he accepted, right?) and with Littlefinger around. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/44 "2016-06-27T03:35:35Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Well there’s a real vacuum now. Holy shit there is. Cersei may have claimed the Iron Throne for herself, but all that means now is she owns a pointy chair made out of iron. I’m shocked they didn’t how her cutting herself on it. > [@Skammer](#): > > I guess whatever Margery’s plan was, it didn’t quite work out for her. Oleanna’s got nothing to lose now… Neither does Cersei. Her children are dead, and they were the only thing that humanized her. They were the only check on her. There’s nothing and no one to stop her now. Even Jaime’s powerless to do anything other than kill her if he get’s close enough. It’s clear now that she’s the Mad Queen, not Daenerys. I think Cersei’s going to go on to do even more depraved things than mass murder or having a clergywoman sodomized to death by a zombie. > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > …Also, I’m bummed out that the Tyrrells’ deaths were so abrupt. I really liked Margaery, and it sucks that she went out like that. The Sparrows were surprisingly idiotic there, too, keeping everyone in the Sept for no good reason aside from “we said so”… It didn’t look like they were stopping everyone from leaving; they were preventing Margaery from leaving _with Loras_. She would’ve gotten out if she left him, which of course she wouldn’t do (whether she could’ve gotten far enough away from the Sept to survive is another thing). This was the Westerosi 9/11 and Reichstag fire rolled into one. > [@Acsenray](#): > > Cersei Lannister is queen but has no money and only the useless Freys as allies… She also has no food and Winter has arrived. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > They didn’t show, but Lyanna whispered that Robert would kill the kid if he knew and we know Rhaegar “abducted” her. It’s Rhaegar. It’s so obvious that Jon Snow is really Jon Targaryen now it’s not even worth debating. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > I don’t agree. Cersei didn’t just kill her enemies. She killed everyone in the Sept, many of whom were just random onlookers. She also killed - it seems pretty clear - some as yet unspecified number of innocents surrounding the Sept. Oh, and she drove their last child to suicide… Jaime also has nothing to lose now. > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > For a second I was wondering why you thought Sansa had just gotten pregnant. The wait begins. Part of my wants to crawl into a stasis pod until season 7 starts. > [@robby](#): > > We’ve discussed this in other threads, but if Rhaegar and Lyanna were legimately married, then Jon Snow has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys. > > Also, Bran presumably knows this now… Daenerys has dragons to back up her claim, but they also made a big deal about her having to seek allies through marriage. Jon would be an ideal husband for her. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/45 "2016-06-27T03:36:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Which part would cause a split? > [@storyteller0910](#): > > I think it’s more likely to be the fact that she is a _mass murderer_. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I don’t see why Jaime would care about that at all. It was against enemies and a fanatical religious order. Plus Jaime is a murderer too. If he’s pissed about that I think it’s out of character. I think what would cause a split is that Cersei’s actions resulted in the death of his son. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/46 "2016-06-27T03:42:50Z")
Is speculation allowed? Cersei’s prophecy: [spoiler]_And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you._ _Valonqar_ is High Valerian for ‘little brother’. Sounds like Tyrion is going to get all killy with her.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/47 "2016-06-27T03:44:46Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I guess we know about the unauthorized face usage now. That mask looked different from all the FM masks we have seen before. This one looked like a heavy rubber mask, while all the previous FM masks slipped off like they were made of silk. ---
**Author:** ![tonyfop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@tonyfop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tonyfop)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/48 "2016-06-27T03:55:08Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I think what would cause a split is that Cersei’s actions resulted in the death of his son. And that, as **storyteller0910** says upthread, she killed innocents in the exact same manner as the Mad King would have, had Jaime not had a moment of conscience then. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/49 "2016-06-27T03:56:43Z")
Very satisfying to see so many threads tied up, even at the loss of some good characters. I don’t think we’ve seen another episode with the death of so many major characters. I expected the last scene to be Dany’s fleet setting sail, and was not disappointed. I must say that Missandei has been transformed. Her black leather battle sarong or whatever it was was smoking hot. I expected some subset of Margaery, Loras, and Tommen to go, but not all of them. And Cersei did end up causing Tommen’s death, although not in the way I expected. I wouldn’t have expected Tommen to be suicidal, but realizing his mother had killed his love as well as his spiritual leader I guess was too much. > [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I guess we know about the unauthorized face usage now. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I did, as soon as Frey noticed she wasn’t one of his. So where did she get the face? Did Jaqen allow her to take a bunch from the Hall of Faces, or did she take a contract on a kitchen wench and take her face? Good to see Arya cross another one off her list. The ones who are left include Cersei, Ilyn Payne, The Mountain, The Hound, Melisandre, Beric Dondarian, and Thoros of Myr. > [@](#): > > Loved the _Titus Andronicus_ bit, but Frey should have eaten and commented how good the pie was. Maybe Hot Pie gave her some tips. I’m surprised she had so much time in the kitchen alone. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/50 "2016-06-27T03:58:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Is speculation allowed? > > Cersei’s prophecy: > > [spoiler]_And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you._ > > _Valonqar_ is High Valerian for ‘little brother’. Sounds like Tyrion is going to get all killy with her.[/spoiler] Jaime is Cersei’s _younger_ twin, so could be her “little brother” ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/51 "2016-06-27T04:00:48Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > Wasn’t Rhaegar already married to a Martell? I believe you’re thinking of his father, the mad king, but I could be wrong. [ETA: The more I think about it, the more I think I am wrong. If so, who was the mad king’s wife?] > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > [edited part of quote out to clarify the part I was referring to]… Bronn noticed that Arya was checking out Jaime as well. Does she have official beef with Jaime (perhaps for crippling Bran?) or does she just see him as a way to get to Cersei? Is that right? I didn’t notice that. I’ll have to look closer when I rewatch it. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Is speculation allowed? > > Cersei’s prophecy: > > [spoiler]_And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you._ > > _Valonqar_ is High Valerian for ‘little brother’. Sounds like Tyrion is going to get all killy with her.[/spoiler] If that came from the show (cold opening for season 5, IIRC), then it’s fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/52 "2016-06-27T04:03:25Z")
There was a slice missing. I had the impression that old Frey was going for seconds. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/53 "2016-06-27T04:08:03Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Did the show mention Lyanna being abducted? Maybe in season 1 or 2? Or just the books? It is shown this season when Ned fights Arthur Dayne to rescue his sister. He tells Dayne that Rhaegar died at the Trident, but Dayne says he’s carrying out his orders anyway, so that pretty clearly refreshed us that Rhaegar had kidnapped Lyanna and kept her locked away in that tower with a few loyal knights guarding it. > [@LVBoPeep](#): > > Wasn’t Rhaegar already married to a Martell? Ellia Martell, Prince Oberyn’s sister, already killed at this point by the Mountain. (“You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children!”) ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/54 "2016-06-27T04:08:06Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > …Good to see Arya cross another one off her list. The ones who are left include Cersei, Ilyn Payne, The Mountain, The Hound, Melisandre, Beric Dondarian, and Thoros of Myr… Please refresh my memory. What’s her beef with Beric Dondarian and Thoros of Myr? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/55 "2016-06-27T04:09:23Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > I believe you’re thinking of his father, the mad king, but I could be wrong. > [ETA: The more I think about it, the more I think I am wrong. If so, who was the mad king’s wife?] Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell. The mad King was married to his sister. > [@](#): > > Is that right? I didn’t notice that. I’ll have to look closer when I rewatch it. It’s what starts Bronn lamenting that Jaime has it so easy with women. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/56 "2016-06-27T04:10:51Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > I believe you’re thinking of his father, the mad king, but I could be wrong. > [ETA: The more I think about it, the more I think I am wrong. If so, who was the mad king’s wife?] King Aerys II Targaryen (“the Mad King”) was married to his sister/wife, Rhaella Targaryen. Prince Rhaegar Targaryen (their son) was married to Princess Elia Martell of Dorne. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/57 "2016-06-27T04:12:43Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > Please refresh my memory. What’s her beef with Beric Dondarian and Thoros of Myr? They sold her pal Gendry to Melisandre. Since Melisandre is heading south, she may well run into the Brotherhood Without Banners again, who are heading North from the Riverlands. And the Hound is with them. So Arya could have a a shot at four people on her list all in the same place. (However, if she sees the Hound again I expect she’ll give him a pass.) ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/58 "2016-06-27T04:31:01Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Daenerys has dragons to back up her claim, but they also made a big deal about her having to seek allies through marriage. Jon would be an ideal husband for her. Not only would it be a good political move, but in keeping with the royal tradition of incest, he’s her nephew! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/59 "2016-06-27T04:32:09Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Daenerys has dragons to back up her claim, but they also made a big deal about her having to seek allies through marriage. Jon would be an ideal husband for her. She’s his aunt, which I suppose for a lineage that usually marries siblings might not be a big deal. On the other hand, Jon and Sansa are first cousins instead of half-siblings, so they could probably marry too. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/60 "2016-06-27T04:36:02Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > And did we see every major character except for Brienne? I don’t know if he’s gone from the story for good, but we haven’t had any updates on Jorah since he parted ways with Dany and company. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=4)