# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/601 "2016-07-05T17:50:59Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > Do you remember Orell? He was one of Mance Raider’s warging scouts; Jon kills him in “The Rains of Castamere”. > > That was quick, Colibri. Well, you should know about birds. 😃 Actually, although Orell’s human body was killed, he warged into his eagle to attack Jon. He may still be flying around somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/602 "2016-07-05T17:52:13Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Man, I don’t remember that at all. But I’ll take your guys’ word for it. Do these scenes help? [Orell scouts ahead warged into his eagle.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JleOZg0Ybok) [Orell and Tormund versus Jon fight.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKt2_oTE97c) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/603 "2016-07-05T17:56:08Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Man, I don’t remember that at all. But I’ll take your guys’ word for it. [Orell’s death scene and his warging into his eagle is at 3:37.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKt2_oTE97c) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/604 "2016-07-05T18:00:49Z")
[Thenn warg with his owl at 1:44.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6Y9_KTPoiI) ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/605 "2016-07-05T18:03:47Z")
Thanks, yeah, I’d completely forgotten about him. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/606 "2016-07-05T18:45:16Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > 😃 > > Actually, although Orell’s human body was killed, he warged into his eagle to attack Jon. He may still be flying around somewhere. But Bran was told that if he spends too much time as a wolf, he will forget his human identity. So if Orell is still flying around somewhere, he’s probably just an eagle. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/607 "2016-07-05T18:54:34Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > But Bran was told that if he spends too much time as a wolf, he will forget his human identity. So if Orell is still flying around somewhere, he’s probably just an eagle. Right. But if he sees Jon, he’ll still probably crap on him.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/608 "2016-07-05T19:25:56Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Right. But if he sees Jon, he’ll still probably crap on him.😃 …from a hover? ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/609 "2017-02-01T21:38:49Z")
Bumping because I finally watched this season. There’s evidence from Episode 6.02 when Tryion talks about how after “a few generations” being chained, the dragons became very small and weak. We also saw some evidence of this in… I think season 1, when Arya was down in the Kings Landing catacombs and found a series of smaller and more misshapen dragon skulls. A few generations in captivity implies dragons reproduce the way other animals do. And, perhaps more surprisingly, that dragon genetics is Lamarckian. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/610 "2017-02-01T21:45:38Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Bumping because I finally watched this season. > > There’s evidence from Episode 6.02 when Tryion talks about how after “a few generations” being chained, the dragons became very small and weak. We also saw some evidence of this in… I think season 1, when Arya was down in the Kings Landing catacombs and found a series of smaller and more misshapen dragon skulls. A few generations in captivity implies dragons reproduce the way other animals do. > > And, perhaps more surprisingly, that dragon genetics is Lamarckian. I always thought the implication was that much like the Targaryen kings and queens were closely related, so were their dragons. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/611 "2017-02-02T17:00:49Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > I always thought the implication was that much like the Targaryen kings and queens were closely related, so were their dragons. Maybe. Tyrion explicitly says that it’s due to their captivity. Not that he’d necessarily know. On the other hand, knowing things is one of the two things he does, as he points out right before talking about the dragons. Going forward, seems like dragons might meet the same fate. I don’t know what the minimum viable population is for dragons, but it’s probably more than 3. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/612 "2017-02-02T17:04:58Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > And, perhaps more surprisingly, that dragon genetics is Lamarckian. More like epigenetic Lamarckism, I’d say. AKA [Transgenerational epigenetic inheritance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetic_inheritance). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=30)