# Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472 "2016-06-26T23:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/81 "2016-06-27T07:18:57Z")
Oh, and as for “teleporting” I’d note that more time passes in these episodes than the viewer perceives. Arya and Varys seem to arrive at their destinations quickly, but notice also that all the lords of the North were in Winterfell, which also takes time. We can assume that weeks have passed since episode 9. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/82 "2016-06-27T07:25:25Z")
What exactly was Zombie!Gregor going to do with the Septa? Tear her eyes out? Mean he is rotting, so its not like he has much errr tensile strength left to rape her anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/83 "2016-06-27T07:45:38Z")
Okay, so we don’t know whether the Mad King had one or two wives, right? If he had 2, then I wonder if Jon’s grandmother is Dany’s mother? Though I’m not sure how much difference it makes if Jon marries his aunt or his half aunt (?). I’ve not read the books. Do Jon and/or Stansa really want to rule all Westeros or would they be satisfied with Winterfell and the North? If they want it all, I submit it’d be wiser for them to hang back and let Dany’s army expend itself to some degree defeating Lannister/Frey before they start. I expect as word trickles around that Winterfell has changed hands again both Sam and Anya will get the news and may at least send message bearing ravens up North. Perhaps Theon also. Maybe the betting for next season will be do Jaime or Anya get Cercei first? Though it could be a dragon too. :: shrug :: And I’m wondering about Tyrion’s loyalty when Dany goes against King’s Landing. Especially if Cercei is dead and Jaime is sitting on the Iron Throne (if that’s possible). ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/84 "2016-06-27T07:51:36Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > She did bring Jon back to life. He probably felt that earned her some mercy. You’re right. It’s sort of like that time I forgave my thoracic surgeon after he burned my friend’s god-daughter alive. By the way, were we meant to understand what Lyanna whispered to Ned? I could only make out something about “protect him”. I know what was happening because the Internet spoiled that whole theory. Did the show make clear whether she was with Rhaegar willingly or not? ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/85 "2016-06-27T07:54:22Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > In this one only a short period passes in King’s Landing (the Sept is still smoldering) The Kings Landing bits were all over the course of the same day, at least that is my take on it since Cersie is still wearing the same clothes. Speaking of Cersie, Did she just drive her son to suicide with that intent in mind? She dressed in her queens armored skirt first thing in the morning. It looks like she set the whole day in motion. Was there even a queens crown prior to this? or did she have that thing made? (probably not relevant, about the crown but it could be a plot point between her and Jamie) > [@AK84](#): > > What exactly was Zombie!Gregor going to do with the Septa? Tear her eyes out? Mean he is rotting, so its not like he has much errr tensile strength left to rape her anyway. This isn’t the Walking Dead, Hes not a zombie in any normal sense of the word. He certainly understands what is said in his presence. I am certain that a bit of rape was in the plans for the day. (Best line of the episode goes to Cersi, “Shame, Shame, Shame”) Arya is truly a Faceless Man, able to create her own faces and use them. (talk about some creepy corpses to find, I hope she doesn’t turn all her victims into pies) And damn it was good to see her after the last fiasco she was in, I like this much better. Dany, the Queen of Thorns (second best line of the episode, “anything from you? no? good.” Yara, and Splinter have now officially teamed up and are headed to Kings Landing with a massive army including dragons who are going to have to fly the whole way there in one shot. (boy are my wings tired) Cersie is as dead as her kids, she just doesn’t know it yet. The Lannisters are in serious danger of becoming extinct leaving Tyrion to inherit. Sansa did indeed play both Jon and Ramsay, She also seemed awfully happy about Jon becoming the King in the North. At least until she got a look at Balish. He looked like his plans were jacked and he was trying to work out how to save them, She looked like she realized that she was still in his plans. Weird points, I have no idea what was up with Pycel, unless for some strange reason he was not going to the trial (and that is my guess, he wasn’t) there was no reason to kill him the way they did. Unless it was to show us that his little birds are also assassins. Lancel was there simply to give us a reason to see the pretty green stuff go off. > [@thirdname](#): > > Y > By the way, were we meant to understand what Lyanna whispered to Ned? I could only make out something about “protect him”. I know what was happening because the Internet spoiled that whole theory. Did the show make clear whether she was with Rhaegar willingly or not? It was reasonably clear from the show alone that they were together willingly, Balish in particular when he and Sansa were in the crypts had a reaction that made the accepted story look like something he wasn’t buying. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/86 "2016-06-27T07:59:33Z")
Ranger Jeff, you are about to get some wildfire lit under you. You have misspelled a name. Shame! Shame! Shame! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/87 "2016-06-27T08:24:52Z")
Incidentally, what exactly happened to the midwives? Might they not be a very very very big hole in the whole “keep this a secret” business? Or did Ned off screen introduce them to his sword? His actual sword, pervs.😃 And furthermore 1. IIRC The first episode or so stated that Benjen knew about Jon’s mother. Why did he not tell Bran? 2. Moreover, why exactly did Ned \*not tell \*Caitlyn? "_This sprog is not mine, he is my sister’s, we are going to pretend he is mine, or better yet say he is some dead Lord’s who I am raising, and lets keep quiet about this M’Lady, Now what’s for dinner? Getting superior swordsmen stabbed in the back by my henchman is hungry business."_ That would have been so much better than making her think he had cuckquean her. 3. What exactly does Dany intend to do with Meereen, Volantis et al. Give them their independance? ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/88 "2016-06-27T08:29:44Z")
I think Jaime is going to end up adding “Queenslayer” to his list of nicknames. House Lannister has no allies and no real hope of holding King’s Landing, and even Cersei must realize that. It seems very likely that we’re heading to a repeat of history with her taking the role of the “Mad Queen.” She doesn’t really have any other play to make at this point besides taking down as many other people with her as possible. Don’t quite see why Pycelle had to be eliminated. He’s always been happy to support whoever is in power. I suppose he knew enough to be a threat to Qyburn? Did Kevan die in the explosion? I know Mace was there but I don’t remember seeing Kevan. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/89 "2016-06-27T08:30:52Z")
1. Apparently yes, although the Sons will be keeping the peace until a democratic government can be set up. It makes me wonder if that is eventually the path she intends for Westeros. Varys and Tyrion seem to honestly believe she represents true change. Unless they are extremely short sighted, that means Westeros needs to move away from the monarchy. They may have faith in Dany, but her kids might not be so great. If the idea of people freely electing their leaders is already in her head, I have to think that’s her longterm goal for Westeros too. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/90 "2016-06-27T08:52:09Z")
That was one of the best episodes of television I’ve _ever_ seen. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/91 "2016-06-27T09:19:55Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That mask looked different from all the FM masks we have seen before. This one looked like a heavy rubber mask, while all the previous FM masks slipped off like they were made of silk. Maybe because Arya is new to making face masks. Did she kill that girl? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/92 "2016-06-27T09:24:40Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Good to see Arya cross another one off her list. The ones who are left include Cersei, Ilyn Payne, The Mountain, The Hound, Melisandre, Beric Dondarian, and Thoros of Myr. Thoros is the only contact that Melisandre has in Westros that we have seen. She didn’t have a problem finding him before. She also predicted a reunion with Arya. Will she have a chance to tell Arya that Gendry may be alive? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/93 "2016-06-27T09:24:58Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > It’s so obvious that Jon Snow is really Jon Targaryen now it’s not even worth debating. He’s still a bastard, so he’s still Jon Snow. Just happens to have both Targaryen and Stark blood in him. Hail the King in the North! > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Is speculation allowed? > > Cersei’s prophecy: > > [spoiler]_And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you._ > > _Valonqar_ is High Valerian for ‘little brother’. Sounds like Tyrion is going to get all killy with her.[/spoiler] > [@2nd\_Law](#): > > Jaime is Cersei’s _younger_ twin, so could be her “little brother” No need to spoiler-box speculation, and I agree and speculated a few seasons back that the valonqar would end up being Jaime, since this whole time she has been _expecting_ that the prophecy was referring to Tyrion. And of course that’s going to be a far more tragic way for her to go, especially after we just heard Jaime give that whole speech about how he’d kill everyone in the world for her. > [@Shakester](#): > > Remember that time I predicted Wildfire blowing up part of King’s Landing, and a certain doper told me I was talking complete nonsense? Apology due. I acknowledged that it was a _possibility_, but we couldn’t assume it was a foregone conclusion that it would be a future event, which we couldn’t. But yeah, that was the exact shot that appeared in the vision, so you were right about that. Which also means we probably will be seeing the dragon flying over a smoking King’s Landing shot during next season as well. > [@ctnguy](#): > > On a lighter note, the scene in which Sam arrives at the Citadel reminded me very much of my interactions with university administration, right down to the awkward-jaunty “Hello!” addressed to a grumpy academic. 😛 Hell yeah, I cracked up at that bit. “That’s irregular”, followed by Sam saying “Well I suppose you could say _life_ is irregular” and just cutting back and forth between Sam beaming at him and his stone-cold bitch face? Comedy gold. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/94 "2016-06-27T09:26:25Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > I think Jaime is going to end up adding “Queenslayer” to his list of nicknames. Post 62: > [@Shakester](#): > > Jaime = Queenslayer. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/95 "2016-06-27T09:32:24Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > Did Kevan die in the explosion? I know Mace was there but I don’t remember seeing Kevan. I saw Kevan in the crowd, near Mace. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/96 "2016-06-27T09:44:26Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I don’t know if he’s gone from the story for good, but we haven’t had any updates on Jorah since he parted ways with Dany and company. The next two seasons will be short and concentrate on the end game. Jorah’s story is probably over. However, when Dany heads north I think her memory of Jorah will be important if Lady Mormont is present at negotiations. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/97 "2016-06-27T09:59:54Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Post 62: Very impressive. But I speculated that Ned wasn’t really Jon’s father nearly three weeks ago. Seriously, if you want credit for being first to propose any conceivable theory on any aspect of this story, you need a time machine set for about 20 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/98 "2016-06-27T10:13:31Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Well, wow. That was pretty satisfying. > > ETA: Apparently Varys can teleport between continents. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > How did Vary get back so fast? He swam. Really, _really_ fast. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/99 "2016-06-27T10:16:36Z")
There are a lot of characters for Tyrion to have reunions with. His siblings, his wife, Pod, Bronn and even Jon Snow. I hope we get to see most of them. I wonder if Sansa will be honest about how she escaped or if she will lie to protect Little Finger. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472/100 "2016-06-27T10:17:28Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > The next two seasons will be short and concentrate on the end game. Is it true they’re only doing 10 more episodes **total**? So we’re just going to have 5 episode seasons? That would be extremely lame. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-6-10-the-winds-of-winter-6-26-16-show-discussion/758472.md?page=6)