# Game of Thrones 7.01 "Dragonstone" 7/16/17 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 15, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324 "2017-07-15T15:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/81 "2017-07-17T16:23:08Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I watch the show streaming on HBO Now, and in the “previouslies” they showed the Hound and Arya at that cottage - the Hound was going to kill them and told Arya he was doing them a favor. Did they not show that scene on the regular broadcast? I didn’t think there was any ambiguity at all that it was the same farmer, even before the Hound didn’t want to stay there. It was on the “previously on” in the regular broadcast. And whenever a scene that’s not from the last few episodes is on the “previously on,” it’s guaranteed it’s going to be relevant in some way. After re-watching last season, what I’m really hoping to see at some point these next two seasons, is a big battle between two somewhat evenly matched forces, where the victor is determined by a last minute arrival of a new army, or dragons, or some other magic force. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/82 "2017-07-17T16:52:03Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > Yep, they did it briefly in the recap. They took in the Hound and Arya, gave them food and treated them well, and then the Hound hit the guy and stole all his silver as they were leaving, saying something like “They’ll be dead when winter comes anyway.”… OK, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/83 "2017-07-17T16:54:20Z")
Most chilling moment for me; Cersei telling her brother how she really feels about Tommen. Most anticipated moment hinted at for ep. 2: Joyful reunion. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/84 "2017-07-17T17:03:25Z")
Ser Jorah is now located with Sam. Here’s my guess as to what happens: Ser Jorah will become necessary to the plot, and Sam will figure out how to cure his greyscale, or at least arrest it like was done with Stannis’ daughter. Ser Jorah will then go on to play a pivotal role somehow. Perhaps the message about the Dragonglass doesn’t get through to John, so Jorah is dispatched to Dragonstone to tell Daeneris about it and enlist her aid. That reconnects them, but Ser Jorah will then have to lead a winter expedition to take the Dragonglass to Jon. Don’t forget that the last Lord Commander of the Watch was a Mormont. I wouldn’t be surprised if the series ends with Ser Jorah being the Commander of the Night’s watch. If such a thing still exists by the end. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/85 "2017-07-17T17:11:41Z")
I mute the previously parts and look away, as I do for most shows. I prefer no hints as to what is coming. However, I have to admit I did not realize the family that starved(or killed themselves) had previously appeared. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/86 "2017-07-17T17:13:46Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I’ve gone back to disliking Sansa. I’m not sure what she has contributed thus far beyond the fact that Baelish lusts for her. Well, she did arrange a well-deserved demise for Ramsay Bolton. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/87 "2017-07-17T17:14:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Ser Jorah is now located with Sam. Here’s my guess as to what happens: Ser Jorah will become necessary to the plot, and Sam will figure out how to cure his greyscale, or at least arrest it like was done with Stannis’ daughter. Princess Shireen (RIP), it suddenly occurs to me, did grow up on… Dragonstone. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/88 "2017-07-17T17:26:50Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Yeah, I hope that’s the last we see of suprise celebrity cameos. They need to knock that shit off. Ruins an otherwise excellent show. I dunno, there was talk of “the gang” from It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia making group or individual appearances. D&D are big fans of the IASIP, and wrote an episode for the show: S09E08: Flowers for Charlie. They mentioned the possibility of cameos around then, but it’s a few years ago now… They cameo’d in another episode, S12E02, The Gang Goes to a Waterpark. I do now think of “Sweet Cersei”… ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/89 "2017-07-17T17:29:31Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > He discovered that Dragonstone is sitting on a mountain of Dragonglass. It’s almost as if a place was named after a thing in that place. 🆒 I did enjoy the zombie rape joke. “SHAME!” ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/90 "2017-07-17T17:35:00Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Well, she did arrange a well-deserved demise for Ramsay Bolton. That was Baelish. Because he lusts for Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/91 "2017-07-17T17:38:53Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > I agree. Jon has made the tough decisions in his role as a leader throughout the series. He sees the long game. He’s turned enemies into friends to cultivate new alliances. Sansa’s experiences are based on watching Cersei and Joffrey. Cersei ran off Tyrion who was and is one of the greatest advisors in Westeros and was almost undone by the High Sparrow, both based off her unfounded and petty anger. Jon is better than Cersei at leadership and Sansa is smart enough to know that. I thought for a moment he might compromise and make the Umbers and Karstarks marry and join their houses and then take the lesser house’s lands and give it to one of the minor loyal families-or to the Mormonts as a great gift. What I’d now really like to see are just glimpses of Jon mentoring both of those kids either directly or indirectly --not scenes mind you but if you have a scene of someone coming to talk to Jon, he’s seen already speaking to the two kids and then sends them away. And/or we see Brienne in the background training Alys Karstark. Maybe how Jon learn something about his experience with Olly. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/92 "2017-07-17T17:45:07Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > I thought Sansa’s advice of basically “Don’t be stupid like Dad and Rob” was good, but I actually thought Jon _was_ being smart by not making enemies of the surviving Karstarks and whoevers. I thought the lesson of the previous Starks was “You can’t survive in Westeros if you’re willing to make enemies just for the sake of honor.” If the rest of the Northerners had hated him for not further punishing the two houses, it might not have been smart, but they all seemed to be OK with his reasoning. > > **wintertime** makes a good point above that Sansa’s questioning actually gave him a good opportunity to explain his reasoning, and would have drawn out any other strong objections from the other lords. Really, the smartest thing would be for a king to encourage everyone to speak openly when they disagree, and to genuinely consider their arguments, but to still insist they obey his ultimate decision. (And then keep a _really_ close eye on anyone who’s frequently disagreeing with him.) Jon was traumatized by Hardhome and he wants to do whatever he can to unite against the white walkers. Sansa was traumatized by Ramsay and she wants to do whatever she can to keep houses from rising up against them. Sansa is trying to protect them from Cersei and Jon is trying to protect them against the walkers. One of the themes of the show seems to be people not knowing who their real enemies are. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/93 "2017-07-17T17:47:59Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I know they were at the cottage, but ISTR that the Hound took all their money (and extra food?) but, at Arya’s urging, let them live, even as he predicted they wouldn’t survive the winter. Or did he not steal from them? The Hound stole the man’s bag of silver. Later on, after his fight with Brienne and as he lay dying, Arya took it from him coldly as he begged her to kill him. If that man would have still had that silver it might have bought him and his daughter more time. As someone mentioned the Dragonstone map was plot critical. It will link up Jon and Danaerys and it will tie Jorah in as well, with Sam possibly finding a way to cure him. It could also mean that Jorah via Sam could facilitate the diplomacy between the queen of dragons and the king in the north, if Melisandre doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/94 "2017-07-17T17:59:26Z")
I had no idea who that NKotB cameo was, so I’m old and out-of-touch enough for it not to matter. I’m one who liked Leather Tuskedero on Happy Days though. I’m hoping that the Sam Tarley books give us some physical theory about the weird seasons, like an eccentric orbit with a binary star or something. Sansa seems to really want to turn herself into the Cersei of the North, it remains to be seen whether she has any scheming chops to compete. I’m hoping Nymeria comes out of the woods, now that Arya is back in the mainland. Do you think dire wolves could also wear the masks? Imagine a gift corgi showing up on Cersei’s doorstep… ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/95 "2017-07-17T18:05:09Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > Dear Hound, > > Please kill Ed Sheeran. That should satisfy everyone. > > Cordially, > > Flander The character or the actor? ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/96 "2017-07-17T18:20:11Z")
I agree that the Dragonstone / dragonglass discovery was pivotal, and that it will likely lead to an alliance between Dany and Jon. I just don’t understand why we have to suffer through scene after scene of nothing happening with Sam to get that one payoff. It’s almost like the director has shot the entire episode, and then realizes after editing it’s only 50 minutes long. And Sam is the only guy still left on the lot, so he says, “Sam, we need 10 more minutes to fill the episode. Howsabout we film you pushing a cart and pretending to hurl while you empty chamberpots? That ought to pad the run-time.” Now, to assuage my guilt over griping, I’ll echo \*\*Elendil’s Heir \*\*and praise the scene that made me laugh out loud: Thoros: “Why are you always in such a foul mood?” The Hound: “Experience.” And I liked the scene between Jaime and Cersei, as he’s realizing her cheese is sliding off her cracker. Cersei seems to feel that everything will be put to rights just because she’s planted her heinie on the Iron Throne. By contrast, you can see Jaime’s military mind working as he’s looking at the map and explaining how the Lannisters have precious little hope of surviving at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/97 "2017-07-17T18:37:40Z")
Yeah, the chamberpot scene went on a little too long. But I did get a laugh when I realized that this was being viewed by quite a few people at dinnertime!😃 I’m in the no-cameo camp. One of the primary reasons I enjoyed The Tudors & Band of Brothers so much was that I knew hardly any of the actors. Seeing actors that I’m familiar with makes it harder to see them completely as the character that they are portraying. My biggest gripe with the episode was that there was a little too much suspension of belief. I can understand Arya wearing a mask, but how does she change her voice to replicate Frey’s voice? And how do Dany & crew make it all the way from the beach, scale the cliff, and make it all the way inside (while looking fresh)? And shouldn’t Dany be focusing on a way to get her dragons to reproduce? ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/98 "2017-07-17T18:47:25Z")
> [@GargoyleWB](#): > > I’m hoping that the Sam Tarley books give us some physical theory about the weird seasons, like an eccentric orbit with a binary star or something. That kind of sci-fi explanation would be a bit out of place, I think. The seasons in Westeros are just magic, same as how Daenerys can survive being burnt, or dragons can fly and breathe fire, or the white walkers can raise the dead. Plus I doubt anyone in Westeros is familiar with the whole “Earth goes around the sun” concept, so such an explanation would probably be lost on them. If the winter is “explained” at all, I expect _at most_ it would just be something like “The Night’s King brings it, with magic”. But it’s probably just “That’s how nature works here, because magic.” > [@](#): > > I’m hoping Nymeria comes out of the woods, now that Arya is back in the mainland. Do you think dire wolves could also wear the masks? Imagine a gift corgi showing up on Cersei’s doorstep… This idea, on the other hand, is brilliant and definitely needs to happen. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/99 "2017-07-17T18:58:44Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > …If the winter is “explained” at all, I expect _at most_ it would just be something like “The Night’s King brings it, with magic”. But it’s probably just “That’s how nature works here, because magic.”… Obligatory _Simpsons_ link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ) ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/100 "2017-07-17T19:14:38Z")
This may have been mentioned, but is it possible Sansa is pregnant by Ramsey? She mentioned that he made sure not to hurt her face, and it is winter so maybe that’s why she’s all bundled up all the time, but I was wondering last season if she may be hiding a pregnancy. Put me in the Brienne/Tormund camp, and I would give Jaime’s remaining hand to see Lady Lyanna Mormont meet up with Arya and go on a road trip. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324.md?page=6)