# Game of Thrones 7.01 "Dragonstone" 7/16/17 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 15, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324 "2017-07-15T15:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/121 "2017-07-17T21:33:28Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think Tywin said that the Lannister mines were played out (i.e., no longer producing gold). The family was counting on financial support from the Tyrells, but of course that’s no longer there. So what source of income do they have left? Did they, like Stannis Baratheon, borrow from the Iron Bank to finance their army? Is the whole show going to end with a bank foreclosure? Speaking of endings, next time we see The Crossings, it will be Lord Edmure and 30 pregnant Frey women. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/122 "2017-07-17T21:34:44Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I forgot what happened with Mormont last season. How did he end up in a prison in the Citadel? Also, the Dragonstone entrance of Dany wasn’t the first time that she stood alone and exposed to a “sniper”. I’ve always assumed that a group of her soldiers always goes in and scopes out the neighborhood, before she makes her grand entrances and speeches. His last scene last season was Dany telling him to heal himself. We don’t know how he got to the Citadel. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/123 "2017-07-17T21:42:14Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Wildass speculation here, but I suspect Jaime is going to be earning a new nickname by the end of the whole series: “Queenslayer.” You only hurt the ones you love. That would be an amazingly satisfying and ironic resolution to Jaime’s character arc. Jaime by now has realized that Cersei is just a nuts as the Mad King. But once he does so, I think he would have to kill himself as well. > [@GargoyleWB](#): > > I’m hoping Nymeria comes out of the woods, now that Arya is back in the mainland. That’s a certainty, since she showed up in the teaser for [“Coming next week”](http://time.com/4860339/game-of-thrones-nymeria-direwolf/) just before a shot of Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/124 "2017-07-17T21:47:16Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > How did he end up in a prison in the Citadel? I think that’s just an isolation ward for victims of grayscale rather than a prison. It seems that Sam is working in a hospital (an appropriate place to be run by maesters) not a prison. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/125 "2017-07-17T21:55:19Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > What are you talking about? What books? What is a book? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/126 "2017-07-17T22:06:09Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think Tywin said that the Lannister mines were played out (i.e., no longer producing gold). The family was counting on financial support from the Tyrells, but of course that’s no longer there. So what source of income do they have left? Did they, like Stannis Baratheon, borrow from the Iron Bank to finance their army? Is the whole show going to end with a bank foreclosure? Aren’t they already in debt to them? I thought that was part of Stannis’s pitch to the Iron Bank. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > What is a book? That Samwell scene must have been really confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/127 "2017-07-17T22:25:20Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > Poor Jaime has to be feeling some strong deja vu. The queen on the Iron Throne has burned a significant part of King’s Landing, and seems to be going crazy after losing her children. Isn’t this how he got his nickname? > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Wildass speculation here, but I suspect Jaime is going to be earning a new nickname by the end of the whole series: “Queenslayer.” You only hurt the ones you love. Or “…the things I do for love.” ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/128 "2017-07-17T22:31:29Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > That would be an amazingly satisfying and ironic resolution to Jaime’s character arc. Jaime by now has realized that Cersei is just a nuts as the Mad King. But once he does so, I think he would have to kill himself as well. > > That’s a certainty, since she showed up in the teaser for [“Coming next week”](http://time.com/4860339/game-of-thrones-nymeria-direwolf/) just before a shot of Arya. Who is kissing in the promo? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/129 "2017-07-17T22:33:26Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Who is kissing in the promo? A Sand Snake and Theons sister? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/130 "2017-07-17T22:44:57Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > A Sand Snake and Theons sister? [It’s Yara Greyjoy, Theon’s sister. and Ellaria Sand](https://www.bustle.com/p/yara-ellaria-kiss-in-game-of-thrones-season-7-fans-are-already-thinking-about-what-their-ship-name-should-be-70607), Oberyn Martell’s paramour and the mother of five of the Sand Snakes. Ellaria hasn’t been shown with the fleet yet but since Dorne contributed ships it’s reasonable she will join them. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/131 "2017-07-17T22:55:37Z")
Something I just thought of: You mean all of these thousands of years all the undead had to do was walk around the wall? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/132 "2017-07-17T23:01:51Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Most chilling moment for me; Cersei telling her brother how she really feels about Tommen. He was a traitor who betrayed her. Her love of her children was her one humanizing trait. Oh well, crazy lady. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/133 "2017-07-17T23:03:13Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Something I just thought of: You mean all of these thousands of years all the undead had to do was walk around the wall? I think dying causes brain damage; it just never occurred to them. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/134 "2017-07-17T23:09:37Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Something I just thought of: You mean all of these thousands of years all the undead had to do was walk around the wall? I thought one end is at the sea and one end is at the mountains, so it’s not as easy as just “going around”. And per Zombie Stark, there’s “magic” that also repels the dead. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/135 "2017-07-17T23:11:43Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Something I just thought of: You mean all of these thousands of years all the undead had to do was walk around the wall? Technically the undead haven’t been around for thousands of years, and the wildlings do walk around the wall regularly. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/136 "2017-07-17T23:19:19Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Technically the undead haven’t been around for thousands of years, and the wildlings do walk around the wall regularly. Huh? The Wall was built to keep them away by Bran the Builder who was one of the First Men. The wildings can walk around the wall because they are not undead and so there are no magical spells keeping them north of the wall. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/137 "2017-07-17T23:25:13Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So you object to the casting of Margaery Tyrell on this series? Cuz if you saw The Tudors, you certainly recognized her. Which viewer’s level of familiarity with actors should be the standard? There’s a difference between casting an actor and casting a celebrity who is known for other things than acting. This was more like having Gordon Ramsay appear as a chef cameo or Mr. T as a gladiator. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/138 "2017-07-17T23:36:55Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Huh? The Wall was built to keep them away by Bran the Builder who was one of the First Men. The wildings can walk around the wall because they are not undead and so there are no magical spells keeping them north of the wall. Well maybe Brans mark HAS broken the magic then. Makes sense since magic or no, going through the wall isn’t efficient. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/139 "2017-07-17T23:39:04Z")
Why would you land your invading army on an island? Yeah, there’s a castle there, but you’ve got to feed them. And you’ve got to get back on the boats to get anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324/140 "2017-07-17T23:44:05Z")
> [@Paintcharge](#): > > Why would you land your invading army on an island? Yeah, there’s a castle there, but you’ve got to feed them. And you’ve got to get back on the boats to get anywhere. Well they’ve got aerial superiority if anyone tries to blockade them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-01-dragonstone-7-16-17-show-discussion/791324.md?page=8)