# Game of Thrones 7.02 "Stormborn" 7/23/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955 "2017-07-23T17:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/181 "2017-07-26T14:16:23Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > They deserved it. What were you responding to? Your quote box was empty. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/182 "2017-07-26T14:17:05Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Well, we don’t know what Yara’s ultimate fate will be, but if she is in the next cell to Allaria, no reason not to rescue her. Dany can always get more ships, but captains she cant trust is another story. The “prize” he will be bringing back to Cersei is Allaria, who killed her daughter. I sincerely doubt Cersei will give any value to Yara beyond she is a part of the enemy but not a subject of personal retribution. I assume she will most likely leave her to a nasty fate at the hands of Uncle Sea-Pirate Guy (I forgot his name). ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/183 "2017-07-26T14:34:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What were you responding to? Your quote box was empty. Yeah, and the blue arrow by your name (which usually links to the quoted post) goes to a 2002 thread about firewalls. Weird. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/184 "2017-07-26T14:45:36Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > I assume she will most likely leave her to a nasty fate at the hands of Uncle Sea-Pirate Guy (I forgot his name). Urine. 😉 (Euron) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/185 "2017-07-26T15:23:25Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What were you responding to? Your quote box was empty. Shea and Cruel Dad. They conspired to have him executed and broke his tint half-man heart in the process. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/186 "2017-07-26T15:28:45Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I have to admit, and I’m not sure why, but I expected the Red Woman to cause trouble for Jon Snow not support him when she arrived at Dragonstone. I guess her faith in Snow outweighs any anger she has for him exiling her. Anger? Jon Snow is probably the only thing keeping Ser Davos from tearing her limb from limb. > [@enalzi](#): > > Or maybe the very last shot of the show will just be Hot Pie at the inn, sort of a “life moves on” scene. The last shot of the show will be Littlefinger and Varys high-fiving about how their 8 year plan to save Westeros went off flawlessly. > [@Saint Cad](#): > > My big question is what happens between Jon and the Army of the North & Sansa when they find out he’s Ned’s nephew (not son) and half-Targaryan? Not sure that it would matter so long as he does a good job ruling. As a member of the Night’s Watch and a bastard, technically Jon isn’t allowed to be Lord of Winterfell or King of the North anyway. > [@Stanislaus](#): > > That goes both ways. If she’s going to speak in a small council Jon needs to actually call one first, rather than just announcing controversial major decisions in front of everyone. I don’t they have “small councils” in the North. Rob never called them either, nor do the Wildlings. It seems like their way is more big open “town hall” style meetings of lords rather than a small group of politicians meeting in secret. Probably why Ned Stark was so bad at it. Still wouldn’t hurt to talk to your sister beforehand. > [@Dewey Finn](#): > > Good point. The other thing about that scene is the difference between Arya’s experience and that of Hot Pie. (What a name, by the way.) She’s obviously been through a lot and been traumatized, while his existence has hardly been changed by the events in Westeros. I suspect that for most of the populace, all that happened affected them only slightly. (Unless, like the farmer and his daughter, they were robbed by someone like The Hound.) Hell, Hot Pie GAINED weight while the rest of Westeros is living hand to mouth. As someone else pointed out, he’s extremely lucky that he has a good job at a well travelled inn. The inn is presumably near Kings Landing or Lannister held territory. So there haven’t been any major battles in the region since the Red Wedding and there is at least some semblance of law enforcement protection from the Crown. It would be a very different story if Hot Pie was working a roadside inn in the Riverlands. Also not to keep on this sea battle thing, but shouldn’t Varys had at least some warning? I know he’s been away from his “little birds” or whatever, but is he now completely useless as “spymaster” now? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/187 "2017-07-26T15:33:59Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > They deserved it. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What were you responding to? Your quote box was empty. > [@Biggirl](#): > > Shea and Cruel Dad. They conspired to have him executed and broke his tint half-man heart in the process. Even weirder, clicking on the arrow by Elendil’s Heir’s name took you to a post from 2002. The quote was evidently edited so that the last digit of the post number was inadvertently left out. I fixed it so at least the arrow now links to the correct post.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/188 "2017-07-26T15:52:18Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > As someone else pointed out, he’s extremely lucky that he has a good job at a well travelled inn. The inn is presumably near Kings Landing or Lannister held territory. That’s the Inn at the Crossroads. It is on the King’s Road about halfway between Winterfell and King’s Landing, and at a junction with major east-west roads to the Riverlands and the Vale of Arryn. Quite a few major plot events have occurred there. - This is where Arya’s dire wolf attacked Joffrey and Sansa’s dire wolf was killed in retaliation. The Hound got on Arya’s list by killing the butcherboy who was implicated in the attack. - Catelyn runs into Tyrion here and takes him captive to stand trial at the Eyrie. - The Brotherhood Without Banners stops here after picking up Arya, Gendry, and Hot Pie, and captures the Hound here. Hot Pie gets a job and stays. - When Brienne and Podrick stop here, Hot Pie reveals to them that the Brotherhood had Arya and the Hound with them. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/189 "2017-07-26T16:21:58Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Weren’t Arya’s parting words to Hot Pie “Try not to die”? I took that as a sure sign he’s probably going to die soon. I assumed the contrary. That it was a way to close “Hot Pie” storyline. We won’t see him again, but we know that he’s fine now, and won’t die, since, as he said, “he’s a survivor”. Of course, I could be mistaken, but since the end of the show is coming close, I thought that secondary characters were going to disappear and if they don’t die onscreen, writers would let us know what became of them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/190 "2017-07-26T18:17:02Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Shea and Cruel Dad. They conspired to have him executed and broke his tint half-man heart in the process. Ah, thanks. He still murdered them both, no matter how endearing and smart he is. ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/191 "2017-07-26T18:35:33Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Even weirder, clicking on the arrow by Elendil’s Heir’s name took you to a post from 2002. > > The quote was evidently edited so that the last digit of the post number was inadvertently left out. I fixed it so at least the arrow now links to the correct post.🙂 Wow - I’ve been on this board for 17 years, and never noticed that arrow. Apparently fighting ignorance is taking longer… ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/192 "2017-07-26T18:45:33Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > Wow - I’ve been on this board for 17 years, and never noticed that arrow. Apparently fighting ignorance is taking longer… Next time there’s a “whose got the lowest post per day?” thread, I’m backing you SuperNelson. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/193 "2017-07-26T19:37:42Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I’m compiling a list of Hot Pie’s rules of cooking: > > 1. You CANNOT give up on the gravy. > 2. Brown the butter first. And now [Hot Pie has opened a bakery selling Dire Wolf bread](http://nerdist.com/game-of-thrones-hot-pie-bakery-direwolf-bread/)called _You Know Nothing Jon Dough._ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/194 "2017-07-26T19:38:46Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > While Yara is cool, she doesn’t have many real redeeming features either. She allied with Danaerys out of expediency, not because she has any interest in her cause. She did try to rescue Theon that one time, but was repelled by dogs. I thought the portrayal of her love for Theon in her own way was well done in the show. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/195 "2017-07-26T19:43:38Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > She did try to rescue Theon that one time, but was repelled by dogs. I thought the portrayal of her love for Theon in her own way was well done in the show. I thought she wasn’t so much repelled as that Theon just didn’t want to go. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/196 "2017-07-26T20:10:37Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > She did try to rescue Theon that one time, but was repelled by dogs. I thought the portrayal of her love for Theon in her own way was well done in the show. True, she’s brave, and a good captain, and has shown loyalty to Theon. But she still subscribes to the Ironborn code of thievery and pillage. She only reluctantly agreed to give it up when Danaerys insisted. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I thought she wasn’t so much repelled as that Theon just didn’t want to go. Theon refused to go, but she might have been able to drag him off against his will if she hadn’t had to deal with the hounds. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/197 "2017-07-26T21:19:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > And now [Hot Pie has opened a bakery selling Dire Wolf bread](http://nerdist.com/game-of-thrones-hot-pie-bakery-direwolf-bread/)called _You Know Nothing Jon Dough._ 😃 We knead to invite him to post here! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/198 "2017-07-26T21:37:23Z")
The site asks for suggestions of other Game of Thrones inspired businesses. Melisandre could open a BBQ place, and Ramsay a sausage shack. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/199 "2017-07-26T21:41:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > We knead to invite him to post here! Yeah, it’s the yeast he could do for us. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/200 "2017-07-26T21:55:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > We knead to invite him to post here! > [@Skammer](#): > > Yeah, it’s the yeast he could do for us. Here’s hoping he’ll rise to the occasion! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955.md?page=11)