# Game of Thrones 7.02 "Stormborn" 7/23/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955 "2017-07-23T17:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/201 "2017-07-26T22:52:46Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > Here’s hoping he’ll rise to the occasion! These buns are kilning me! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/202 "2017-07-26T23:38:16Z")
And we thought last week’s thread devolving into a line of fictional succession debate was bad. . . ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/203 "2017-07-26T23:39:28Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Next time there’s a “whose got the lowest post per day?” thread, I’m backing you SuperNelson. That’s partly because I decide roughly 80% of the posts I start to type are irrelevant, inane, or inarticulate, and delete them without pressing “submit.” Funny thing is my first thought was “how did I ever make 926 posts? What could I possibly have had to say?” ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/204 "2017-07-26T23:42:23Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > My favorite thing about this season is now that the story has grown smaller we are mixing and matching characters in interesting ways. I never thought of it that way - kind of like reducing a sauce or soup. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/205 "2017-07-27T00:22:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The site asks for suggestions of other Game of Thrones inspired businesses. > > Melisandre could open a BBQ place, and Ramsay a sausage shack. Ned’s Head Shop Ser Jorah’s “Skin Care Emporium” Grey Worm could sell strap-ons and other sex toys. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/206 "2017-07-27T00:56:29Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Anger? Jon Snow is probably the only thing keeping Ser Davos from tearing her limb from limb…Not sure that it would matter so long as he does a good job ruling. As a member of the Night’s Watch and a bastard, technically Jon isn’t allowed to be Lord of Winterfell or King of the North anyway… Ser Davos wouldn’t tear Melisandre limb from limb; he’d set her on fire. 😉 Either that or just strangle her if he literally wanted to feel the life drain out of her. As for Jon; he’s no longer a member of the Night’s Watch since his “watch ended”, and he’s King in the North because the lords in the North basically elected him King (his bastardy is irrelevant). > [@Bone](#): > > She did try to rescue Theon that one time, but was repelled by dogs. I thought the portrayal of her love for Theon in her own way was well done in the show. Agreed. Even last season when she suggested Theon slit his wrists if he was too far gone it was still done out of love, not malice. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/207 "2017-07-27T02:22:38Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Ned’s Head Shop > > Ser Jorah’s “Skin Care Emporium” > > Grey Worm could sell strap-ons and other sex toys. Hodor’s Locksmith Clegane Bros. Big and Tall Men’s Shop ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/208 "2017-07-27T04:48:03Z")
Joffrey’s Crossbow Repair Gendry’s Rowing Lessons Frey Family Catering (Weddings a Specialty!) Varys’s Little Birds Pet Shop Samwell Tarly’s Eat ‘n’ Poop Ltd. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/209 "2017-07-27T04:55:25Z")
Lannister Family Counseling Manicures by Stannis Syrio’s Dance Studio Craster’s Adoption Agency ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/210 "2017-07-27T05:12:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The site asks for suggestions of other Game of Thrones inspired businesses. > > Melisandre could open a BBQ place, and Ramsay a sausage shack. Grey Worm’s Clam Bar. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/211 "2017-07-27T05:15:08Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Lannister Family Counseling > > Manicures by Stannis > > Syrio’s Dance Studio > > Craster’s Adoption Agency Craster’s Family and Marriage Counseling. Why choose one? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/212 "2017-07-27T11:50:37Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Ned’s Head Shop > > Ser Jorah’s “Skin Care Emporium” > > Grey Worm could sell strap-ons and other sex toys. I always imagined Ser Jorah opening a candy or herb shop and calling it Jorah Moremint. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/213 "2017-07-27T11:59:56Z")
So there is something worse than the great potato debate. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/214 "2017-07-27T12:13:35Z")
Varys Consulting, Corporate Intelligence Melisandre, Psychic to the Stars Sir Davos, Advice Column Lady Mormont, Motivational Speaker Theon’s Organic Sausage Ramsay the Mohel ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/215 "2017-07-27T13:18:34Z")
High Sparrow Fine Menswear & Haberdashery Ser Ilyne Payne’s Choice Cutlery Littlefinger’s Corporate Consulting, Mergers and Acquisitions Loras Tyrell Flower Shop Stannis Baratheon Daycare (“We treat your daughter like a princess!”) ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/216 "2017-07-27T14:05:02Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > It’s not really clear to me what Baelish’s move is here, given that his ultimate end game is to sit on the Iron Throne. Sansa is his path to owning the North. First he has to fan the fires of conflict between her and Jon. I predict it won’t work. I could totally see Sansa marrying him and then doing away with him in order to protect her cousin and rule the Vale while Jon rules Winterfell until Robin is old enough. By which time Sansa may actually have found someone to whom she wants to be married. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > . . . > Think about air power in WWII. The allies could have ‘won’ the war against Japan with few allied casualties if we were willing to just bomb them into the stone age. But if you actually have to invade and conquer, the estimates were that it would take 2 million soldiers. > > . . . > The Dothraki are not farmers. They aren’t looking for land to settle on. They are raiders, who require a constant supply of other people’s stuff to survive. Their entire culture is based on war and raiding. > > I suppose there will be some way out of this - for example, the Dothraki could wind up being obliterated in a battle with the walkers near the end of the war > . . . Agreed. You can destroy an Army with air power, but you can’t rule until you have control on the ground. Otherwise all you’ve created is chaos. Turn the Dothraki into sailors and give them the Iron Islands? LOL! Seriously though, “The Gift” should be good land for them - is it big enough? > [@msmith537](#): > > . . . > > I don’t they have “small councils” in the North. > > Also not to keep on this sea battle thing, but shouldn’t Varys had at least some warning? I know he’s been away from his “little birds” or whatever, but is he now completely useless as “spymaster” now? Jon needs to learn to open discussion _before_ he makes a pronouncement. Starting out with a declaration sets him up for failure if a good counterpoint is offered. He is the one who is making the mistake. Ned was working with men he has known for a lifetime, and with whom he fought wars before. (or with their fathers.) He also had an unquestionable right to his place. Jon needs to get that he is still earning his, and explain his reasoning, making others at least feel heard before ordering otherwise. I’ll be interested to see if the little birds return to Varys after he abandoned them. I could see them doing for Qyburn, OR for Varys. They definitely hold some serious power in the balance. I wonder if they’ll know. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/217 "2017-07-27T14:31:37Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Turn the Dothraki into sailors and give them the Iron Islands? LOL! Seriously though, “The Gift” should be good land for them - is it big enough? Pretty much you don’t want the Dothraki around on a continuing basis. Right now they have a little bit of loyalty to Danny, and will mostly want to rape and pillage (and extort tribute) from the Little People) as their way of life in the future. I think Danny should use them in conquering, and against the White Walker army, but once that battle is won she needs rid of them. Hopefully a ton of them will have been killed along the way, and the rest will be homesick for the warm, wide grasslands of Essos. If so, fine: give them, say, every other horse in the entirety of Westeros, pack them back onto ships and wave goodbye. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/218 "2017-07-27T14:36:08Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Pretty much you don’t want the Dothraki around on a continuing basis. Right now they have a little bit of loyalty to Danny, and will mostly want to rape and pillage (and extort tribute) from the Little People) as their way of life in the future. > > I think Danny should use them in conquering, and against the White Walker army, but once that battle is won she needs rid of them. Hopefully a ton of them will have been killed along the way, and the rest will be homesick for the warm, wide grasslands of Essos. If so, fine: give them, say, every other horse in the entirety of Westeros, pack them back onto ships and wave goodbye. Sounds good. Except that she’s still the queen of Mereen etc. so the Dothraki would still be living off of her people. It’s a conundrum, and I’m embarrassed to say I never realized it before. What WILL she do about them?!? Maybe if she solved the ghost grass problem they’d be able to live in their own lands without the pillaging? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/219 "2017-07-27T16:39:38Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > It’s a conundrum, and I’m embarrassed to say I never realized it before. What WILL she do about them?!? I don’t know. Maybe she should consider massacring them for their many crimes so that the world will be permanently rid of this nuisance? But I assume she won’t since we’ve known since the first season that she has a thing for muscular pillager/murderer/rapists. 😉 Hopefully, the white walkers will take care of them. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/220 "2017-07-27T16:46:25Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Maybe if she solved the ghost grass problem they’d be able to live in their own lands without the pillaging? What’s that about ghost grass? It doesn’t ring a bell for me. Had another thought: do we know if they brought the entire Dothraki horder (as in, women and children) or just the fighting men? If the latter, it might make it easier to get them to go home again. Of course, it will also no doubt up the raping aspect… How in the world did Danny think she’d be able to keep their behavior under control??? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955.md?page=12)