# Game of Thrones 7.02 "Stormborn" 7/23/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955 "2017-07-23T17:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/21 "2017-07-24T02:25:08Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Err, Yara wasn’t taken; that was her hanging from the ship’s bow. I’m sure that’s much more pleasant than whatever Cersei’s going to do with her engagement present. And Cersei nicely summarized Daenerys’s PR problem; crucifying of hundreds of nobles isn’t going to win her many supporters. Westeros isn’t a city-stat; it’s an entire continent, mostly agrarian, with few cities. And while the Unsullied might squick the locals out; they’re not extremely disciplined, won’t pillage beyond what they need for supplies, won’t rape, and will eventually die off leaving no decedents. What the hell is she going to do with the Dothraki? :dubious: Turn them into landed gentry? Let them continue roaming across Westeros as nomads? Send them back to Essos? That wasn’t Yara, that was the two sand snakes. One got impaled and the other choked with her whip. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/22 "2017-07-24T02:27:59Z")
Jon meeting Dany has a couple interesting things to talk about. He said only a king will impress her. First, she won’t recognize him as a king and will want him to bend the kneed. Second, it’s not true as Tyrion, Varys, Yara, and Melisandre show. Speaking of Melisandre, will she still be there when Jon shows up? What will Davos do? What will Dany do upon learning about Shireen? **Colibiri** that’s right. The ships with the Targaryen sails must have been the ships taken from the other slavers then? (Why didn’t Dany take those in the first place…) Euron’s fleet will have to sail past the rest of Dany’s fleet to get to King’s landing or her fleet will sail past his on the way to Casterly Rock, although I guess they’ll somehow miss each other. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/23 "2017-07-24T02:34:30Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Nathalie Emmanuel is perfect. Yes she is. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/24 "2017-07-24T02:45:26Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That wasn’t Yara, that was the two sand snakes. One got impaled and the other choked with her whip. My mistake. Yara’s probably better off dead too; at least Ellaria isn’t likely to be raped and tortured until she’s handed over to Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/25 "2017-07-24T02:49:47Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > My mistake. Yara’s probably better off dead too; at least Ellaria isn’t likely to be raped and tortured until she’s handed over to Cersei. Ellaria would be treated better because she’s not related to Euron? I’d guess they’re both in for a pretty rough sail up to King’s Landing and then a quick public execution so lords like Randyll Tarly make the “right” choice. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/26 "2017-07-24T02:52:38Z")
It was a bit of a Greatest Hits call back, the only one missing was Gendry. The internet as reminded me that waaaaay back in season one, Ned asks Arya if she was going to marry a High Lord and rule a castle and raise knights and noblemen and Arya answered, “No. That’s not me.” Do you think the writers heard all the belly aching about Sam’s scenes and decided they’ll really give us something to bitch about? Because I do believe they’re trolling us. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/27 "2017-07-24T02:53:50Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > **Colibiri** that’s right. The ships with the Targaryen sails must have been the ships taken from the other slavers then? (Why didn’t Dany take those in the first place…) She took them, but they weren’t enough to transport the Unsullied and Dothraki. [These guys](http://www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-finale-how-many-ships-were-in-daenerys-fleet/) say they counted the ships in the shot, and came up with about 350. I think about 100 of these would have been from the Iron Fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/28 "2017-07-24T03:13:07Z")
Milk of the poppy has been mentioned at least a dozen times in the previous six seasons but all Jorah gets is rum. I thought of a few groan worthy puns regarding Missandei the linguist. I don’t get the Sam hate. I was more annoyed at him pining for Gilly in earlier seasons than I am with him at Old town. His story arc is connecting the dots. I wonder if he’ll give _Heartsbane_ to Jorah. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/29 "2017-07-24T03:13:40Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I’ve been telling Starks since season one, “DONT MAKE ENEMIES” and they never fucking listen to me. GD, Jon Snow is stupid. I still don’t understand why any of the Northern houses would follow John. He makes terrible decisions and has no control over his emotions. He just gave a speech about the need for allies. It’s John’s duty to build the alliance with the Vale. They won the battle of the bastards, not him. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/30 "2017-07-24T03:20:08Z")
I don’t understand Jon’s hostility towards Littlefinger either. He doesn’t know Littlefinger almost literally stabbed his ‘father’ in the back. Still, he does know that he handed her over to Ramsay. And that “I really want to fuck your stepma and sister” angle was not the best way to sidle up to Jon. But there’s a lot of hate there. Does he know something about Littlejohn that I’m forgetting? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/31 "2017-07-24T03:31:56Z")
I think Jon’s decisions are problematic in a political way, not a policy way. Letting the Wildlings through the Wall is the best policy, so is reconciliation with the Northern houses that turned on the Starks, so is trying to get Dany’s help. He really needs a Littlefinger to help him sell those plans though. I don’t have a problem in the Northern houses following him. They all liked Ned, the Boltons took part in murdered friends and family of all of them at the Red Wedding, and Ramsay is crazy as hell. He’s without a doubt brave and heroic. Could definitely see them sour on him. I think all he knows about Littlefinger is that he arranged Sansa’s marriage, that Sansa doesn’t trust him, and that he has a punchable face. Probably would have just worked out if Jon just stabbed him. His only real power in the Vale is through Robin. Just have Sansa tell him that Petyr died in battle and that Royce will look over Robin until he comes of age. Solved. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/32 "2017-07-24T03:33:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Wonder what the damages are to Dany’s fleet. Hard to tell other than Yara and Ellaria being taken. Half gone? Complete loss? > > Will Littlefinger be able to turn Sansa against Jon while he’s away? He and Sansa should have had a longer talk I think. > > Nymeria leaving Arya because Arya abandoned what it means to be a Stark? > > Nathalie Emmanuel is perfect. Nymeria is not able to return to being domesticated. She’s a Dire wolf, not a puppy. It sounded to me like Arya said “That’s not you.” (And that’s what the cc said on my screen.) I agree with the Ned call-back. Arya understood that neither she, nor Nymeria, were meant for a standard domestic role. I think though, that back then she said, “That’s not me, that’s Sansa.” Which would be interesting IIRC. What will Jon say when he sees Melisandre at Dany’s court? Will he warn Dany against Mel? How will Davos manage it? Theon had no way to win that fight. He was swimming hard toward Euron’s ship when we faded out. He may yet save his sister. Euron’s laugh as his nephew began to dissociate was icy. I really hope Sansa is as wise as she thinks she is re: Littlefinger. I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/33 "2017-07-24T03:38:51Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Milk of the poppy has been mentioned at least a dozen times in the previous six seasons but all Jorah gets is rum… Maybe it doesn’t interact well with something in the in cure. Or the maester just didn’t use it for whatever reason and Sam’s simply follow his instructions to the letter. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/34 "2017-07-24T03:47:05Z")
When I saw Arya with her guard down eating stuff Hotpie was handing her my first thought was “oh shit, the Waif tracked her down, killed Hotpie, disguised herself as Hotpie, and is now poisoning Arya!” Glad I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/35 "2017-07-24T03:51:20Z")
Littlefinger smiled after Jon choked him. He’s still got tricks up his sleeve, the schemer. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/36 "2017-07-24T03:57:57Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > although I guess they’ll somehow miss each other. Not as unlikely as you might think, depending on weather and currents. There is a lot more open water than there are ships to patrol it on any ocean. > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > I still don’t understand why any of the Northern houses would follow John. He makes terrible decisions and has no control over his emotions. Okay, I have no idea why you think that disqualifies him from leading in the minds of the Northern houses ;). I mean I am dead certain that _none_ of them have control over their emotions. Indeed I suspect they’d regard a cool Littlefinger type with utter contempt as some sort of emotionless dandy. Northerners seem to be all _sturm und drang_. They’re all a bunch of dumbass Ned Starks without the ironclad sense of honor ( except Lady Mormont, who is basically a tweener female Ned Stark ). Jon Snow _looks_ like a warleader, can swing a sword like a warleader and is good at rousing speeches. What more do they need? Strategy is for soft southerners that can’t fight like true northmen :D. ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/37 "2017-07-24T04:56:57Z")
What has happened to my beloved GoT? I hope this cliche-filled crapfest episode isn’t a sign of things to come, because that would be a shame to end such a good series this way. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/38 "2017-07-24T05:48:56Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Littlefinger smiled after Jon choked him. He’s still got tricks up his sleeve, the schemer. I thought he was thinking “Starks. Quick tempers. Slow minds” like he said to Ned after Ned choked him. Jon’s hostility towards Littlefinger did seem excessive. The only reason I can think of is that Littlefinger delivered Sansa to Ramsay. I guess that’s enough. I would’ve liked to have seen a scene beforehand in which Jon is conflicted about Littlefinger saving him or showing that he hated Littlefinger or something - that level of hostility feels sudden. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/39 "2017-07-24T06:18:37Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I had closed captions on and she definitely said, “It’s not her” but I wasn’t clear on the meaning. It’s a callback to season 1, when Arya tells her dad(?) that her nature is Action Girl, not Needlepoint Nelly. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-02-stormborn-7-23-17/791955/40 "2017-07-24T06:26:28Z")
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