# Game of Thrones 7.03 "The Queen's Justice" 7/30/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453 "2017-07-30T18:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/1 "2017-07-30T18:18:46Z")
[7.01 “Dragonstone”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831107) [7.02 Stormborn](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20365308) This is the discussion thread for the show on its own. The books do not exist in this thread. Open discussion for the books/show [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20347039) ---
**Author:** ![Premislaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f0a364/32.png) [@Premislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Premislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/2 "2017-07-30T18:27:00Z")
7.03\* ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/3 "2017-07-30T18:37:24Z")
> [@Premislaus](#): > > 7.03\* Fixed. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/4 "2017-07-30T18:53:53Z")
Don’t think that title bodes well for Ellaria and the last sand snake. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/5 "2017-07-30T20:56:29Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Don’t think that title bodes well for Ellaria and the last sand snake. You’re probably right. But if it matches the pattern of similar past titles, it might _also_ refer to Daenerys. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/6 "2017-07-30T22:00:59Z")
I meant to ask this in last week’s thread but forgot: When Euron promised Cersei a gift, we assume he meant Tyrion. However, it appears to be Ellaria who he had in mind. How did he know where Ellaria was; i.e. on one of Dany’s ships? And if he meant Ellaria or Tyrion, he might as well have thought Dany, since they would each presumably be equally difficult to abduct (at least from Euron’s POV). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/7 "2017-07-30T22:23:35Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > But if it matches the pattern of similar past titles, it might _also_ refer to Daenerys. That was my thought as well. She’s going to find herself in some dilemma where meting out justice will conflict with keeping her alliance intact. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/8 "2017-07-30T22:55:42Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I meant to ask this in last week’s thread but forgot: When Euron promised Cersei a gift, we assume he meant Tyrion. However, it appears to be Ellaria who he had in mind. How did he know where Ellaria was; i.e. on one of Dany’s ships? And if he meant Ellaria or Tyrion, he might as well have thought Dany, since they would each presumably be equally difficult to abduct (at least from Euron’s POV). He might not have had a specific gift in mind when he said he would bring Cersei a gift. He just figured he’d capture or kill somebody important. I personally thought his gift would be a dragon, and still think Euron will get at least one of them, either alive or dead. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/9 "2017-07-30T23:12:02Z")
Could someone please refresh my mind re the Lannister’s mines getting played out? Who said so, to whom? More specifically, Tyrion knows this, right? He sold Danny on the importance of capturing Casterly Rock because it was rich and had the best army. But…if they stop being able to pay their wages, their army will go away quickly, won’t it? So is Tyrion being completely honest in his advice to Danny? ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/10 "2017-07-30T23:14:44Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > You’re probably right. > > But if it matches the pattern of similar past titles, it might _also_ refer to Daenerys. Actually, given the pattern, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it _also_ refers to Sansa having to make some decisions as Queen of the North pro tem. Heck, maybe Oleanna has something to do, too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/11 "2017-07-30T23:17:49Z")
Tywin told Cersei about the mines running dry after Tyrion had been exiled already. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/12 "2017-07-30T23:46:46Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Tywin told Cersei about the mines running dry after Tyrion had been exiled already. Minor nitpick: Tywin definitely had this conversation with Cersei, but not before Tyrion left Kings Landing. Tyrion is not exiled, he’s run away from a death sentence and killed Tywin while making his escape. We don’t know if Tyrion is aware of the depletion of the gold supply at Casterly Rock, but we do know he can damn sure make the sewers flow. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/13 "2017-07-30T23:51:45Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Actually, given the pattern, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it _also_ refers to Sansa having to make some decisions as Queen of the North pro tem. > > Heck, maybe Oleanna has something to do, too. 🙂 So you’re saying the apostrophe is in the wrong place? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/14 "2017-07-31T00:09:47Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I meant to ask this in last week’s thread but forgot: When Euron promised Cersei a gift, we assume he meant Tyrion. However, it appears to be Ellaria who he had in mind. How did he know where Ellaria was; i.e. on one of Dany’s ships? And if he meant Ellaria or Tyrion, he might as well have thought Dany, since they would each presumably be equally difficult to abduct (at least from Euron’s POV). The gift is crushing a large part of Daenerys’ naval power. Captives are just an added bonus, but I think planning on capturing a specific person relies on too many coincidences or plot holes. > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Actually, given the pattern, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it _also_ refers to Sansa having to make some decisions as Queen of the North pro tem. > > Heck, maybe Oleanna has something to do, too. 🙂 I figured that one, too, less literally. At least she will have some plot. I’ll be interested to know if Bran’s plot advances this episode. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/15 "2017-07-31T00:15:48Z")
> [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > Minor nitpick: > Tywin definitely had this conversation with Cersei, but not before Tyrion left Kings Landing. Tyrion is not exiled, he’s run away from a death sentence and killed Tywin while making his escape. We don’t know if Tyrion is aware of the depletion of the gold supply at Casterly Rock, but we do know he can damn sure make the sewers flow. Checking, Tywin had the conversation with Cersei in episode 5 of season 4. Tyrion was arrested after Joffrey’s death in episode 2, so he wouldn’t have known of that conversation. However, he was made Master of Coin in season 3 so he should have had some idea of the realm’s finances (unless Tywin kept it from him). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/16 "2017-07-31T00:34:47Z")
On one hand, it’s implausible that the main source of riches for a major house drying up being a big secret after all these years - where are all the displaced mine workers and such - I think it’s overstating it to say that the Lannisters are broke. Storytelling wise that might be what we’re to take from it, but as Warden of the West we’d expect them to be wildly rich simply from controlling the taxes and productivity of an entire kingdom. They may not be outrageously rich like they once were, but they’re far from broke. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/17 "2017-07-31T02:08:57Z")
I think I know what may happen. Cersci makes it all the way to the north at the end of this season. Was that Gendry finally rowing ashore in the coming attractions? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/18 "2017-07-31T02:15:04Z")
Daenerys sure is cocking this up so far. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/19 "2017-07-31T02:19:45Z")
It strikes me that Cersei is completely out maneuvering Tyrion. Her father’s daughter indeed. And Iron Bank gold to come. Dany is going to need to unleash the dragons to win (though as Jon points out, it’s for a potential Throne of Ash). Very good episode. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/20 "2017-07-31T02:20:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > On one hand, it’s implausible that the main source of riches for a major house drying up being a big secret after all these years - where are all the displaced mine workers and such - I think it’s overstating it to say that the Lannisters are broke. Storytelling wise that might be what we’re to take from it, but as Warden of the West we’d expect them to be wildly rich simply from controlling the taxes and productivity of an entire kingdom. They may not be outrageously rich like they once were, but they’re far from broke. Pro athletes make a ton of money and go broke. The Lannisters might still have had a bit of income, but maintaining the largest army in Westeros is expensive. I’m not a big fan of Euron’s magical fleet. For the narrative Dany needs some setbacks this season, but the Greyjoys are easily the least powerful of the great houses and have been in a multi-year long war. Them being able teleport around the globe, catch everyone by surprise, and win and naval battle is a bit absurd. Tyrion with some pretty good diplomacy. I don’t know why Jon Snow doesn’t show people his scars. Might have made an impression on a woman that’s seen some magic in her life. Are we to understand that the whole of the Reach defected to the Lannister side with Randyll Tarly? I suppose if they hadn’t before, they did after. Very talk heavy episode, but I dug it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=2)